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Paul, "In some parts of the world it might also be difficult to obtain air that is not tainted with CO2. Or reliable regulators. Would you still dive?" Regulators are easy to take with you. No, I would not dive bad air. I will dive air below 30M though. Cheers, Simon. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Braunbehrens" <bakalite@ba*.co*> To: "Simon Naunton" <snaunton@ho*.co*> Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 1:25 PM Subject: Re: NEW DIR VIDEO > Yes, in the past the delivery has been pretty bad. Fortunately this is > improving. > > As far as "everyone can easily adhere to" goes, you are right, in some > parts of the world it might be difficult to do it right. In some parts > of the world it might also be difficult to obtain air that is not > tainted with CO2. Or reliable regulators. Would you still dive? > > I guess everyone makes their own decisions. When it comes to diving, I > go by "do it right or don't do it at all". I think this is where DIR > comes from. There is nothing down there worth dying for. > > On Saturday, August 17, 2002, at 07:09 PM, Simon Naunton wrote: > > > Paul, > > > > I agree with 99% of what you are saying and you are only going to get > > one > > argument from me: > > > > "everyone can easily adhere to." > > > > Obtaining helium and twinsets with manifolds, in some parts of the > > world, is > > not always easy. > > > > Don't get me wrong, I'm not anti-DIR, the concept is admirable. The > > delivery > > often leaves a lot to be desired though. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Simon > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Paul Braunbehrens" <bakalite@ba*.co*> > > To: "Simon Naunton" <snaunton@ho*.co*> > > Cc: "George Irvine" <trey@my*.ne*>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com> > > Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 11:19 AM > > Subject: Re: NEW DIR VIDEO > > > > > >> The problem with that statement isn't that it's wrong. The problem is > >> that people then use it to come up with all kinds of idiotic ways of > >> diving. Sure, there may be another safe way to dive. However, DIR > >> is a > >> proven concept, lots of people use it, and it works beautifully. I > >> don't think you can say that about any other system out there....if > >> indeed there is something else you could call a system. Most of it is > >> just "personal preference" and all that, and yes, while there may be > >> one > >> guy in Finnland, and 3 guys in Texas who have a way of diving that is > >> equally safe, it's not the same as having a well documented, well > >> discussed, proven concept that everyone can easily adhere to. > >> > >> BTW, before anybody accuses me of being religious... > >> > >> Religion is based on faith, i.e., by definition, you don't question > >> anything. Just ask Trey how many things I've questioned, he probably > >> gets a headache just thinking about it. DIR makes sense, no faith > >> necessary, just logic. > >> > >> On Friday, August 16, 2002, at 08:45 PM, Simon Naunton wrote: > >> > >>> George, > >>> > >>> 1 - Sidemounting in sumps > >>> 2 - CCRs for 100M+ dives in the ocean. > >>> > >>> I do neither, you do neither, so the two of us arguing over it would > >>> be a > >>> wee bit silly. > >>> > >>> DIR is a very good system and I have learned a lot from JJ's books. I > >>> don't > >>> believe that it is the only way to dive safely though. > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> > >>> Simon. > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "George Irvine" <trey@my*.ne*> > >>> To: "Simon Naunton" <snaunton@ho*.co*>; <David@di*.co*> > >>> Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com> > >>> Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 9:04 PM > >>> Subject: RE: NEW DIR VIDEO > >>> > >>> > >>>> Simon, tell us all what makes more sense than DIR - pick anything you > >>>> want > >>>> and I will prove you wrong. > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: Simon Naunton [mailto:snaunton@ho*.co*] > >>>> Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 2:33 AM > >>>> To: David@di*.co* > >>>> Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com > >>>> Subject: Re: NEW DIR VIDEO > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> David, > >>>> > >>>> "I don't attribute this to some innate ability that I have - I > >>>> attribute > >>> it > >>>> to superior training." > >>>> > >>>> I agree. However, this does not mean that every non-GUE instuctor > >>>> is a > >>>> bad > >>>> instructor and it is not really fair to imply the opposite as you > >>>> have > >>> done. > >>>> > >>>> "For me there is no competition between philosophies - I'm going to > >>>> do > >>>> whatever works best for me to accomplish my goals." > >>>> > >>>> Me too. I commend you for having that, most un-DIR, attitude. > >>>> > >>>> "So - answer me this: If you were a new diver choosing an instructor > >>>> - do you want the dude hanging on the rope teaching you how to dive, > >>>> or do you want the people who taught the guy holding the video > >>>> camera?" > >>>> > >>>> The answer is obvious, but, to re-iterate, not all non-GUE > >>>> instructors > >>>> are > >>>> bad instructors e.g. I have never been anywhere near a GUE > >>>> instructor, > >>>> but > >>>> my buoyancy appears to be at least as good as yours. And, I know of > >>>> plenty > >>>> of people in the same position as me. > >>>> > >>>> However, until GUE is firmly established in the recreational (as > >>>> opposed > >>> to > >>>> technical) diving space then this is not really a fair comparison to > >>>> make. > >>> I > >>>> do agree that your video was a good example of recreational diving > >>>> instruction at close to its worse. > >>>> > >>>> All this aside... nice site... and I am extremely jealous of your > >>>> orca > >>>> experience. > >>>> > >>>> Cheers, > >>>> > >>>> Si. > >>>> > >>>>> From: David Evans <David@di*.co*> > >>>>> To: "John P. Butler" <jpbutler@so*.co*> > >>>>> CC: techdiver@aquanaut.com > >>>>> Subject: Re: NEW DIR VIDEO > >>>>> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:08:09 -0700 > >>>>> > >>>>> John, I have held off on introducing myself to the list, as I wanted > >>>>> to > >>>>> observe a bit first. > >>>>> > >>>>> Let me introduce myself to you. I am the brainwashed DIR cult > >>>>> member > >>> that > >>>>> shot the video in question. Nice to meet you too. > >>>>> > >>>>> My wife and I have been diving for 15 months. In that fifteen > >>>>> months, > >>>>> we've learned a lot about diving, and we've learned that we have a > >>> (whole) > >>>>> lot more to learn. > >>>>> > >>>>> One lesson I learned is that as far as divers go, in fifteen months > >>>>> time > >>> I > >>>>> can kick the crap out of a PADI Master Instructor in my buoyancy > >>>>> skills. > >>> I > >>>>> don't attribute this to some innate ability that I have - I > >>>>> attribute > >>>>> it > >>> to > >>>>> superior training. > >>>>> > >>>>> We are not technical divers, and we aren't cavers, although we both > >>>>> have > >>>>> some interest in developing our skills in this direction, I don't > >>>>> have > >>> any > >>>>> agenda except to improve as a diver and improve as a photographer, > >>>>> to > >>>>> do > >>>>> both safely, and to have big time fun. > >>>>> > >>>>> For me there is no competition between philosophies - I'm going to > >>>>> do > >>>>> whatever works best for me to accomplish my goals. I have been very > >>>>> pleased with the RESULTS of my DIR training, which are evident > >>>>> directly > >>>>> from this video, and indirectly from my photography (not bad for a > >>>>> guy > >>> with > >>>>> only a year's experience, don't you think?) > >>>>> > >>>>> So - answer me this: If you were a new diver choosing an > >>>>> instructor - do > >>>>> you want the dude hanging on the rope teaching you how to dive, or > >>>>> do > >>>>> you > >>>>> want the people who taught the guy holding the video camera? > >>>>> > >>>>> We had just come up from the HMCS Columbia - it looks to me like we > >>>>> were > >>>>> the ones who belonged there and the PADI Master Instructor was a bit > >>>>> out > >>> of > >>>>> his league - wouldn't you agree? > >>>>> > >>>>> I don't know George Irvine at all - never met him. But I have > >>>>> learned > >>> from > >>>>> the techniques that he, apparently, helped to define and refine. > >>>>> That > >>> does > >>>>> not make me a cult member - it makes me an educated consumer. > >>>>> > >>>>> If you have questions about our diving, please email me. I would be > >>> happy > >>>>> to discuss with you why we dive, how we dive, and what diving means > >>>>> to > >>> us. > >>>>> > >>>>> Thank you very much for you kind understanding. > >>>>> > >>>>> -David Evans > >>>>> www.diveseen.com > >>>>> Northwest Underwater Photography and Videography > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Tuesday, August 13, 2002, at 06:18 PM, John P. Butler wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Yah, This video spoke to me, too. > >>>>>> It told me that the participants were brainwashed DIR cult members > >>>>>> who > >>>>>> have > >>>>>> nothing better to do underwater than make a friggin propaganda > >>>>>> video. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Tell me what quarry were you diving in? ;O} > >>>>>> > >>>>>> John > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to > >>>>> `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > >>>>> Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver- > >>>>> request@aq*.co*'. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Simon Naunton > >>>> snaunton@ho*.co* > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _________________________________________________________________ > >>>> MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > >>>> http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to > >>>> `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > >>>> Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver- > >>>> request@aq*.co*'. > >>>> > >>> -- > >>> Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to > >>> `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > >>> Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver- > >>> request@aq*.co*'. > >>> > >> > > > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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