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----- Original Message ----- From: "George Irvine" <trey@my*.ne*> To: "Simon Naunton" <snaunton@ho*.co*> Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com> Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 9:47 PM Subject: RE: NEW DIR VIDEO > Simon, I do use sidemounts when in the Bahamas most of the time since there > are so many caves that are room to room with low squeezes ( as opposed to > freattic passage) and it is easier to get the gear over there on the little > airplanes. I do use a rebreather for ridiculously deep dives and for long , > deep cave dives. I don't use a rebreather that adds more risk, and I dive it > with proper bailout and an appropriate buddy team - things that are clearly > over your head. > > You still don't have a clue what we are talkinq about here, what DIR is, or > what you are talking about. You still have yet to show me what system, idea > or whatever works better and you have yet to show me what does not work in > DIR. You started with the "cult" bullshit, and now you need to show me where > doing anything safely and correctly involves "cultism". > > If you did read JJ's book, you need to get some reading comprehension > lessons. There is nothing in there about "cults" or doing any stupid things > that you seem to be so sure are correct. My bet is that you really do not > know anything about any of this, and my bet is that if you just talk enough > on here, you will prove it. You have already shown you have some big > resentment of this ( as in the video of the morons who do what 99% of you > do), but then my guess is that you recognized yourself in there and don't > see the need for DIR. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Naunton [mailto:snaunton@ho*.co*] > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 11:45 PM > To: George Irvine > Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com > Subject: Re: NEW DIR VIDEO > > > George, > > 1 - Sidemounting in sumps > 2 - CCRs for 100M+ dives in the ocean. > > I do neither, you do neither, so the two of us arguing over it would be a > wee bit silly. > > DIR is a very good system and I have learned a lot from JJ's books. I don't > believe that it is the only way to dive safely though. > > Cheers, > > Simon. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George Irvine" <trey@my*.ne*> > To: "Simon Naunton" <snaunton@ho*.co*>; <David@di*.co*> > Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com> > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 9:04 PM > Subject: RE: NEW DIR VIDEO > > > > Simon, tell us all what makes more sense than DIR - pick anything you want > > and I will prove you wrong. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Simon Naunton [mailto:snaunton@ho*.co*] > > Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 2:33 AM > > To: David@di*.co* > > Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com > > Subject: Re: NEW DIR VIDEO > > > > > > David, > > > > "I don't attribute this to some innate ability that I have - I attribute > it > > to superior training." > > > > I agree. However, this does not mean that every non-GUE instuctor is a bad > > instructor and it is not really fair to imply the opposite as you have > done. > > > > "For me there is no competition between philosophies - I'm going to do > > whatever works best for me to accomplish my goals." > > > > Me too. I commend you for having that, most un-DIR, attitude. > > > > "So - answer me this: If you were a new diver choosing an instructor > > - do you want the dude hanging on the rope teaching you how to dive, > > or do you want the people who taught the guy holding the video camera?" > > > > The answer is obvious, but, to re-iterate, not all non-GUE instructors are > > bad instructors e.g. I have never been anywhere near a GUE instructor, but > > my buoyancy appears to be at least as good as yours. And, I know of plenty > > of people in the same position as me. > > > > However, until GUE is firmly established in the recreational (as opposed > to > > technical) diving space then this is not really a fair comparison to make. > I > > do agree that your video was a good example of recreational diving > > instruction at close to its worse. > > > > All this aside... nice site... and I am extremely jealous of your orca > > experience. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Si. > > > > >From: David Evans <David@di*.co*> > > >To: "John P. Butler" <jpbutler@so*.co*> > > >CC: techdiver@aquanaut.com > > >Subject: Re: NEW DIR VIDEO > > >Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:08:09 -0700 > > > > > >John, I have held off on introducing myself to the list, as I wanted to > > >observe a bit first. > > > > > >Let me introduce myself to you. I am the brainwashed DIR cult member > that > > >shot the video in question. Nice to meet you too. > > > > > >My wife and I have been diving for 15 months. In that fifteen months, > > >we've learned a lot about diving, and we've learned that we have a > (whole) > > >lot more to learn. > > > > > >One lesson I learned is that as far as divers go, in fifteen months time > I > > >can kick the crap out of a PADI Master Instructor in my buoyancy skills. > I > > >don't attribute this to some innate ability that I have - I attribute it > to > > >superior training. > > > > > >We are not technical divers, and we aren't cavers, although we both have > > >some interest in developing our skills in this direction, I don't have > any > > >agenda except to improve as a diver and improve as a photographer, to do > > >both safely, and to have big time fun. > > > > > >For me there is no competition between philosophies - I'm going to do > > >whatever works best for me to accomplish my goals. I have been very > > >pleased with the RESULTS of my DIR training, which are evident directly > > >from this video, and indirectly from my photography (not bad for a guy > with > > >only a year's experience, don't you think?) > > > > > >So - answer me this: If you were a new diver choosing an instructor - do > > >you want the dude hanging on the rope teaching you how to dive, or do you > > >want the people who taught the guy holding the video camera? > > > > > >We had just come up from the HMCS Columbia - it looks to me like we were > > >the ones who belonged there and the PADI Master Instructor was a bit out > of > > >his league - wouldn't you agree? > > > > > >I don't know George Irvine at all - never met him. But I have learned > from > > >the techniques that he, apparently, helped to define and refine. That > does > > >not make me a cult member - it makes me an educated consumer. > > > > > >If you have questions about our diving, please email me. I would be > happy > > >to discuss with you why we dive, how we dive, and what diving means to > us. > > > > > >Thank you very much for you kind understanding. > > > > > >-David Evans > > >www.diveseen.com > > >Northwest Underwater Photography and Videography > > > > > > > > > > > >On Tuesday, August 13, 2002, at 06:18 PM, John P. Butler wrote: > > > > > >>Yah, This video spoke to me, too. > > >>It told me that the participants were brainwashed DIR cult members who > > >>have > > >>nothing better to do underwater than make a friggin propaganda video. > > >> > > >>Tell me what quarry were you diving in? ;O} > > >> > > >>John > > > > > >-- > > >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > > > > > > > > Simon Naunton > > snaunton@ho*.co* > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > > -- > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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