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George, "I do neither, you do neither, so the two of us arguing over it would be a wee bit silly" However, being known for sillyness... "Still waiting for you to tell me what is better or why it makes sense." Sorry for the wait. My social life called me away from the net. 1 - Sidemounting in sumps - Logistics of taking twinsets through long distances of dry cave. - I's quite hard to squeeze through holes that are smaller than a diver wearing a twinset. 2 - CCRs for 100M+ dives in the ocean. - On OC it becomes increasingly difficult, if not impossible, to carry all the gas neccesary to do a decent bottom time safely. "You can not do that successfully." Do what? "And while you are at it, tell me all about why I should use a CCR ?" I don't care what you do. If you don't want to do anything, don't do it. If you do, do. "You started this out with typical petty bullshit, and now I want to prove to you how wrong you are." Errm.... no I didn't, you did, but it is petty. Cheers, Simon. ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Irvine" <trey@my*.ne*> To: "Simon Naunton" <snaunton@ho*.co*>; "George Irvine" <trey@my*.ne*> Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 10:41 PM Subject: RE: NEW DIR VIDEO > Still waiting for you to tell me what is better or why it makes sense. You > can not do that successfully. > > And while you are at it, tell me all about why I should use a CCR ? > > You started this out with typical petty bullshit, and now I want to prove to > you how wrong you are. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Naunton [mailto:snaunton@ho*.co*] > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 11:45 PM > To: George Irvine > Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com > Subject: Re: NEW DIR VIDEO > > > George, > > 1 - Sidemounting in sumps > 2 - CCRs for 100M+ dives in the ocean. > > I do neither, you do neither, so the two of us arguing over it would be a > wee bit silly. > > DIR is a very good system and I have learned a lot from JJ's books. I don't > believe that it is the only way to dive safely though. > > Cheers, > > Simon. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George Irvine" <trey@my*.ne*> > To: "Simon Naunton" <snaunton@ho*.co*>; <David@di*.co*> > Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com> > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 9:04 PM > Subject: RE: NEW DIR VIDEO > > > > Simon, tell us all what makes more sense than DIR - pick anything you want > > and I will prove you wrong. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Simon Naunton [mailto:snaunton@ho*.co*] > > Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 2:33 AM > > To: David@di*.co* > > Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com > > Subject: Re: NEW DIR VIDEO > > > > > > David, > > > > "I don't attribute this to some innate ability that I have - I attribute > it > > to superior training." > > > > I agree. However, this does not mean that every non-GUE instuctor is a bad > > instructor and it is not really fair to imply the opposite as you have > done. > > > > "For me there is no competition between philosophies - I'm going to do > > whatever works best for me to accomplish my goals." > > > > Me too. I commend you for having that, most un-DIR, attitude. > > > > "So - answer me this: If you were a new diver choosing an instructor > > - do you want the dude hanging on the rope teaching you how to dive, > > or do you want the people who taught the guy holding the video camera?" > > > > The answer is obvious, but, to re-iterate, not all non-GUE instructors are > > bad instructors e.g. I have never been anywhere near a GUE instructor, but > > my buoyancy appears to be at least as good as yours. And, I know of plenty > > of people in the same position as me. > > > > However, until GUE is firmly established in the recreational (as opposed > to > > technical) diving space then this is not really a fair comparison to make. > I > > do agree that your video was a good example of recreational diving > > instruction at close to its worse. > > > > All this aside... nice site... and I am extremely jealous of your orca > > experience. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Si. > > > > >From: David Evans <David@di*.co*> > > >To: "John P. Butler" <jpbutler@so*.co*> > > >CC: techdiver@aquanaut.com > > >Subject: Re: NEW DIR VIDEO > > >Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:08:09 -0700 > > > > > >John, I have held off on introducing myself to the list, as I wanted to > > >observe a bit first. > > > > > >Let me introduce myself to you. I am the brainwashed DIR cult member > that > > >shot the video in question. Nice to meet you too. > > > > > >My wife and I have been diving for 15 months. In that fifteen months, > > >we've learned a lot about diving, and we've learned that we have a > (whole) > > >lot more to learn. > > > > > >One lesson I learned is that as far as divers go, in fifteen months time > I > > >can kick the crap out of a PADI Master Instructor in my buoyancy skills. > I > > >don't attribute this to some innate ability that I have - I attribute it > to > > >superior training. > > > > > >We are not technical divers, and we aren't cavers, although we both have > > >some interest in developing our skills in this direction, I don't have > any > > >agenda except to improve as a diver and improve as a photographer, to do > > >both safely, and to have big time fun. > > > > > >For me there is no competition between philosophies - I'm going to do > > >whatever works best for me to accomplish my goals. I have been very > > >pleased with the RESULTS of my DIR training, which are evident directly > > >from this video, and indirectly from my photography (not bad for a guy > with > > >only a year's experience, don't you think?) > > > > > >So - answer me this: If you were a new diver choosing an instructor - do > > >you want the dude hanging on the rope teaching you how to dive, or do you > > >want the people who taught the guy holding the video camera? > > > > > >We had just come up from the HMCS Columbia - it looks to me like we were > > >the ones who belonged there and the PADI Master Instructor was a bit out > of > > >his league - wouldn't you agree? > > > > > >I don't know George Irvine at all - never met him. But I have learned > from > > >the techniques that he, apparently, helped to define and refine. That > does > > >not make me a cult member - it makes me an educated consumer. > > > > > >If you have questions about our diving, please email me. I would be > happy > > >to discuss with you why we dive, how we dive, and what diving means to > us. > > > > > >Thank you very much for you kind understanding. > > > > > >-David Evans > > >www.diveseen.com > > >Northwest Underwater Photography and Videography > > > > > > > > > > > >On Tuesday, August 13, 2002, at 06:18 PM, John P. Butler wrote: > > > > > >>Yah, This video spoke to me, too. > > >>It told me that the participants were brainwashed DIR cult members who > > >>have > > >>nothing better to do underwater than make a friggin propaganda video. > > >> > > >>Tell me what quarry were you diving in? ;O} > > >> > > >>John > > > > > >-- > > >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > > > > > > > > Simon Naunton > > snaunton@ho*.co* > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > > -- > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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