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Jim, Abusive behavior is one thing - and there certainly is a fair bit of it here - but slander is another. Since the mail list archives are (I assume) available to you, try providing some evidence of slander against other agencies by anyone. If someone says 'TDI requires X hours to practice Task Y, and therefore they suck' whereas in truth it was Z hours, you may have a point, otherwise - no. I have yet to see a clear case of misrepresentation of an agencies' policies that went uncorrected immediately. I agree that abusive behavior may turn people off to DIR if they are casually inquisitive, but if you listen to what is said here, it is often educational and correct. I also have seen some of the 'bad' from the other agencies, even with my limited experience, though I wouldn't assume an instructor to be 'bad' simply by being from agency X. (P.S. - I am not one of the 'dwarfs', nor am I an attorney - I am a fairly new diver who has been listening and learning. I am not even completely DIR at this point, though evolving slowly.) Gene Avakyan >From: "Jim Curtis" <jimcurtis@di*.co*> >To: techdiver@aquanaut.com >Subject: Re:GUE >Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 07:51:43 -0700 (PDT) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from mc1-f31.law16.hotmail.com ([65.54.236.38]) by >mc1-s2.law16.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Fri, 12 Jul >2002 10:10:35 -0700 >Received: from fulton.opal.com ([198.3.124.1]) by mc1-f31.law16.hotmail.com >with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:07:39 -0700 >Received: (mail@lo*) by fulton.opal.com (8.11.2/jr5.1) for >techdiver_x@aquanaut.comid g6CGOYF32212; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 12:24:35 -0400 >Received: from c007.snv.cp.net (h012.c007.snv.cp.net [209.228.33.240]) by >fulton.opal.com (8.11.2/jr5.1) with SMTP for <techdiver@aquanaut.com>id >g6CEqKY30746; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:52:21 -0400 >Received: (cpmta 18764 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2002 07:51:47 -0700 >Received: from 209.228.33.235 (HELO >mail.directvinternet.com.criticalpath.net) by smtp.directvinternet.com >(209.228.33.240) with SMTP; 12 Jul 2002 07:51:47 -0700 >Received: from [216.227.77.125] by mail.directvinternet.com with HTTP; >Fri, 12 Jul 2002 07:51:43 -0700 (PDT) >Precedence: bulk >Errors-To: owner-techdiver@aquanaut.com >X-Sent: 12 Jul 2002 14:51:47 GMT >X-Sent-From: jimcurtis@di*.co* >X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.0.10-17 >Sender: jimcurtis@di*.co* >Message-Id: ><20020712075147.29909.h007.c007.wm@ma*.di*.co*.cr*.ne*> >Return-Path: owner-techdiver@aquanaut.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2002 17:07:42.0235 (UTC) >FILETIME=[A242DEB0:01C229C6] > > >To All Concerned, > >Allow me to contextualize Mr. Crowell's comments of >7/9/2002. > > >.....On an average day, we ignore malicious attempts, >like Mr. Crowell's, to >promote their nefarious agendas by deceiving the >public. Exchanges of >invective are such a colossal waste of time, and we >have none to spare >at GUE. However, following this last round of remarks, >we can no longer >justify ignoring such transparent and dishonest >attempts to slander >GUE. Slander is legally actionable; the intentional >distortion of the >truth designed to harm others is frowned upon by the >law. If Mr. >Crowell, or any other entity, has questions that need >to be answered, >they should address these to the officers of the >organization, not tell >stories to the public. If they choose not to, and >persist in these >slanderous public attacks, we will have no other >choice, however >offensive we might find this, than to seek legal >recourse to either >silence them or coerce them into representing things >how they are, not >how they wished them to be. > > >Sincerely yours, > > >Dr. Panos D. Alexakos >Vice-President and Director of Quality Control >Global Underwater Explorers > >GUE (www.gue.com) is a non-profit organization >committed to education, >research, and exploration with thousands of dedicated >members worldwide.< >After the last several years of bashing every training >agency from PADI to the Mickey Mouse Club you guys are >hysterical. First you get Mr. DIR and the rest of the >"Seven Dwarfs" to slander, insult, misrepresent >everyone not in "YOUR CLIC" and now when you start to >get some of your own medicine back, you whine. > >Gee was it just a coincidence that the IANTD, TDI >bashing campaign began just prior to he launch of the >vaunted GUE agency? You weren't trying to make them >look bad just to propagandize the morons on this list >into believing GUE was the best? > >What's really funny is how you get a scumbag, ambulance >chasing lawyer to crawl out from under his rock and >threaten people every time you get some flack. > >Your goal of making diving safer and more enjoyable is >laudible, but your methods are a disgrace. You have >failed miserably get your message across and shot >yourself in the foot by turning so many people off. As >GUE expands it will experience the same problems as the >other agencies with instructors taking short cuts to >make a buck. > >I'm glad you have insurance, so when the inevitable >happens you'll have representation when >"dive lawyer" calls. > >Jim >-- >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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