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Bullshit. Wrong is wrong, no matter if you are wrong in your own home or out on the street corner. As far as throwing the dubs goes, big doesn't mean bad. A better comment, IMNSHO, is: What is it that these people are *so* afraid of, that would elicit a reaction like the one reported? Some of Us know. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: Nigel Needham <niggs@gl*.co*.uk*> To: scuba-uk <scuba-uk@dr*.ne*> Cc: Techdiver <techdiver@aquanaut.com> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 1:51 AM Subject: Re: long hose eviction > >From Les Maddams (to Nige Needham, by phone) > > Hi all, > I don't normally take the time to enter into discussions on forums, but on > this occasion I need to make an exception. > > It so happens that on the day in question I arrived at the shop halfway > through the dissagreement. From what I heard and saw, at best I can say Tims > comments have been exaggerated and certain points missed out, and at worst > there are some downright lies. > > As background information there appears to be the usual political power > struggle at one of the clubs which runs from Mikes WW in East Grinstead. > A couple of divers are apparently trying to convince club members to go DIR, > and are upsetting other members and the shop where the 'wrong' kit has been > purchased. > > I am not a member of this club but do most of their technical courses, I > have my own opinions on DIR but I keep these to myself, I would never say > to divers 'You must do it my way or your a stroke'. OK so I'm a stroke, and > so are many other well respected divers and guess what, I dont care. > > My theory is, if something works for you use it, if it doesn't look for > advice and change it. > If a long hose on a primary wrapped round his neck works for Tim then great, > there are divers in my club who would agree with him, but there are also > those who wouldn't. > > All I can suggest is that you don't get drawn into a private arguement > between divers, one of which appears to be trying to score brownie points > with George. > > For the record Stuart is a very experienced diver who doesn't like to be > called a w*****r in his own shop in front of other customers. Furthermore if > he's got the strength to throw a twinset across a room I wouldn't argue with > him any way!!! > > Regards to all > > Les > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: IB2 <ian@ca*.fr*.co*.uk*> > To: Scuba UK <scuba-uk@dr*.ne*> > Sent: 14 October 2000 08:08 > Subject: Fw: long hose eviction - From Techdiver > > > > The following post appeared on Techdiver yesterday. It never seems to amaze > me how people will try to justify their point of view with "reasons" instead > of simply trying or agreeing to differ. Still it saves me the trounble of > visiting East Grinstead to see if the shop is any good, I'll just stick to > my local dive store. > > Ian. > > Never underestimate the power of stupidity. > > -----Original Message----- > From: tim humphrey <tim@hu*.ne*> > To: Tech Diver <techdiver@aquanaut.com> > Date: 13 October 2000 13:41 > Subject: long hose eviction > > > Dear List, > > Below please find a copy of a mail I sent to George earlier in the week. It > just goes to show the sacrifices necessary to follow the DIR disciplines. At > Georges request I can now inform the list the guys name is Stuart Taylor and > he is a partner in the Mikes Waterfront Warehouse franchise at East > Grinstead, UK. > > > George, > > I posted a question last month re: weightbelts which you were kind enough to > answer at some length, for which I thank you heartily. I thought you might > be interested, and probably amused at the events which took place at my > local dive shop last saturday. I have not named the shop, nor have I posted > to the list, but would do both if you so wished. > > This season I have been in the process of converting to DIR and as a result > have been breathing the long hose on my primary for some months, however my > regulators have not been up to scratch so I decided to buy an Apex 40 for my > primary reg and convert my existing primary - a Spiro Artic - to my back-up. > Off I went to my dive shop, complete with both sets of regs, to get the new > reg fitted immediately to be ready to dive on Sunday. > > I arrived at the shop and put my regs on the bench at which point one of the > co-owners came past and saw my regs, "What's this pile of crap! Why have you > got your primary reg on your back-up hose?" One of my colleagues intervened > at this point and explained that I dive my primary on my long hose. "You > must be mad! What are you going to do, wrap it round your neck and strangle > yourself? Your gas consumption will soar. What are you going to donate to > your buddy in an out of air situation?" When I explained my gas consumption > had actually improved after adopting the long hose and that I would happily > donate the regulator from my mouth the guy hit the roof. "I'm an engineer > and I'm telling you it is physically impossible for your consumption to do > anything but worsen and markedly so!!" > > The decibels were rising all the time. "If you're going to donate the reg > from out of your mouth then you are an accident waiting to happen, your > dangerous and a bloody liability. What are you going to breath??" I tried to > explain but it was pointless, the guy was just not listening. "Where did you > get all this from? Not that wanker on the internet." I said, yes that's > right, the same wanker with all the world records for deep and long > penetration dives and cave dives,the same wanker who has forgotten more > about diving than you will ever know, and the same wanker who has done more > diving than you will ever do if you dive every day for the rest of your > life, yes, that's the guy. Tempers were now getting fraught on both sides! > > You know the sad thing? He doesn't know anything about you other than what > he has heard from other people, as, by his own admission, he does not use > the internet. Anyway it was at this point he told me to "Fuck-off out of my > shop". Bear in mind I had gone there to spend over £200. "And take this with > you!!" he shouted, picking up my twin set. By now I was getting mad and told > him, in no uncertain words, to put my set down, at which point he promptly > threw it across the floor. It was then eye-ball to eye-ball stuff. What can > you do with arsehole like that? > > You have to laugh. And all this for taking your advice and breathing the > long hose. You see the trouble you get us in lads into!! Will I be put off? > Will I hell. Will I be using that shop again? No chance!! > > Hope this has kept you entertained. > > All the best, > > Tim > > -=-=-=- > [ Scuba-UK: Details @ http://www.drogon.net/scuba-uk-ndg/ ] > [ To leave the list, send "unsubscribe scuba-uk" to majordomo@dr*.ne* ] > > > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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