Hi Les,

Thanks for your mail.  You are obviously not aware that you arrived at the
shop at the end of the confrontation and I would therefore ask you to
explain your allegation of lies. I would also take the opportunity to
correct various statement you made in your mail. For your information there
is no political struggle within the club and the club is not run from Mikes
at East Grinstead. The staff there relinquished all responsiblities to the
club some time ago and expressed a wish to have no further part in the
running of the club. You are correct in saying that I am converting to DIR
but you are most certainly being misled if you believe I am preaching to
other members. I f I am asked for an opinion then I would give it, but I am
certainly not trying to dictate to anybody which is the exact reason why I
objected to being treated that way by Mr.Taylor. As far as DIR is concerned
I think the method speaks for itself, you either accept a reasoned, logical
and practical approach or you don't. It certainly doesn't need any
assistance from me to convert other divers to such a discipline. What has
probably upset the shop is that I purchased my DIR equipment from a source
other than them because they do not stock Halcyon products. They maintain
they do not make sufficient profits from selling Halcyon. If other divers
see the kit and are impressed enough to want to buy they will obviously have
to go elsewhere too, which means the shop suffers again. This is their
decision as a commercial enterprise and has nothing to do with me. I have
tried to support the shop and in the last three to four years have spent
several thousand pounds with the Mikes store at East Grinstead.
Reagrds,
Tim.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nigel Needham" <niggs@gl*.co*.uk*>
To: "scuba-uk" <scuba-uk@dr*.ne*>
Cc: "Techdiver" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: long hose eviction


> From Les Maddams  (to Nige Needham, by phone)
>
> Hi all,
> I don't normally take the time to enter into discussions on forums, but on
> this occasion I need to make an exception.
>
> It so happens that on the day in question I arrived at the shop halfway
> through the dissagreement. From what I heard and saw, at best I can say
Tims
> comments have been exaggerated and certain points missed out, and at worst
> there are some downright lies.
>
> As background information there appears to be the usual political power
> struggle at one of the clubs which runs from Mikes WW in East Grinstead.
> A couple of divers are apparently trying to convince club members to go
DIR,
> and are upsetting other members and the shop where the 'wrong' kit has
been
> purchased.
>
> I am not a member of this club but do most of their technical courses, I
> have my own opinions on DIR but I keep these to myself,  I would never say
> to divers 'You must do it my way or your a stroke'.  OK so I'm a stroke,
and
> so are many other well respected divers and guess what, I dont care.
>
> My theory is, if something works for you use it, if it doesn't look for
> advice and change it.
> If a long hose on a primary wrapped round his neck works for Tim then
great,
> there are divers in my club who would agree with him, but there are also
> those who wouldn't.
>
> All I can suggest is that you don't get drawn into a private arguement
> between divers, one of which appears to be trying to score brownie points
> with George.
>
> For the record Stuart is a very experienced diver who doesn't like to be
> called a w*****r in his own shop in front of other customers. Furthermore
if
> he's got the strength to throw a twinset across a room I wouldn't argue
with
> him any way!!!
>
> Regards to all
>
> Les
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: IB2 <ian@ca*.fr*.co*.uk*>
> To: Scuba UK <scuba-uk@dr*.ne*>
> Sent: 14 October 2000 08:08
> Subject: Fw: long hose eviction - From Techdiver
>
>
>
> The following post appeared on Techdiver yesterday. It never seems to
amaze
> me how people will try to justify their point of view with "reasons"
instead
> of simply trying or agreeing to differ. Still it saves me the trounble of
> visiting East Grinstead to see if the shop is any good, I'll just stick to
> my local dive store.
>
> Ian.
>
> Never underestimate the power of stupidity.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tim humphrey <tim@hu*.ne*>
> To: Tech Diver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> Date: 13 October 2000 13:41
> Subject: long hose eviction
>
>
> Dear List,
>
> Below please find a copy of a mail I sent to George earlier in the week.
It
> just goes to show the sacrifices necessary to follow the DIR disciplines.
At
> Georges request I can now inform the list the guys name is Stuart Taylor
and
> he is a partner in the Mikes Waterfront Warehouse franchise at East
> Grinstead, UK.
>
>
> George,
>
> I posted a question last month re: weightbelts which you were kind enough
to
> answer at some length, for which I thank you heartily. I thought you might
> be interested, and probably amused at the events which took place at my
> local dive shop last saturday. I have not named the shop, nor have I
posted
> to the list, but would do both if you so wished.
>
> This season I have been in the process of converting to DIR and as a
result
> have been breathing the long hose on my primary for some months, however
my
> regulators have not been up to scratch so I decided to buy an Apex 40 for
my
> primary reg and convert my existing primary - a Spiro Artic - to my
back-up.
> Off I went to my dive shop, complete with both sets of regs, to get the
new
> reg fitted immediately to be ready to dive on Sunday.
>
> I arrived at the shop and put my regs on the bench at which point one of
the
> co-owners came past and saw my regs, "What's this pile of crap! Why have
you
> got your primary reg on your back-up hose?" One of my colleagues
intervened
> at this point and explained that I dive my primary on my long hose. "You
> must be mad! What are you going to do, wrap it round your neck and
strangle
> yourself? Your gas consumption will soar. What are you going to donate to
> your buddy in an out of air situation?" When I explained my gas
consumption
> had actually improved after adopting the long hose and that I would
happily
> donate the regulator from my mouth the guy hit the roof. "I'm an engineer
> and I'm telling you it is physically impossible for your consumption to do
> anything but worsen and markedly so!!"
>
> The decibels were rising all the time. "If you're going to donate the reg
> from out of your mouth then you are an accident waiting to happen, your
> dangerous and a bloody liability. What are you going to breath??" I tried
to
> explain but it was pointless, the guy was just not listening. "Where did
you
> get all this from? Not that wanker on the internet." I said, yes that's
> right, the same wanker with all the world records for deep and long
> penetration dives and cave dives,the same wanker who has forgotten more
> about diving than you will ever know, and the same wanker who has done
more
> diving than you will ever do if you dive every day for the rest of your
> life, yes, that's the guy. Tempers were now getting fraught on both sides!
>
> You know the sad thing? He doesn't know anything about you other than what
> he has heard from other people, as, by his own admission, he does not use
> the internet. Anyway it was at this point he told me to "Fuck-off out of
my
> shop". Bear in mind I had gone there to spend over £200. "And take this
with
> you!!" he shouted, picking up my twin set. By now I was getting mad and
told
> him, in no uncertain words, to put my set down, at which point he promptly
> threw it across the floor. It was then eye-ball to eye-ball stuff. What
can
> you do with arsehole like that?
>
> You have to laugh. And all this for taking your advice and breathing the
> long hose. You see the trouble you get us in lads into!! Will I be put
off?
> Will I hell. Will I be using that shop again? No chance!!
>
> Hope this has kept you entertained.
>
> All the best,
>
> Tim
>
> -=-=-=-
> [   Scuba-UK: Details @ http://www.drogon.net/scuba-uk-ndg/              ]
> [ To leave the list, send "unsubscribe scuba-uk" to majordomo@dr*.ne* ]
>
>
> --
> Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'.
> Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
>

--
Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'.
Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.

Navigate by Author: [Previous] [Next] [Author Search Index]
Navigate by Subject: [Previous] [Next] [Subject Search Index]

[Send Reply] [Send Message with New Topic]

[Search Selection] [Mailing List Home] [Home]