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Les, why don't you tell us your way and why so we can all understand. Let me also say that "wrapping the long hose around your neck" is a meaningless phrase. You obviously have no clear picture of the DIR system, but so what, I am more interested in hearing about your system. How about telling us about it. -----Original Message----- From: Nigel Needham [mailto:niggs@gl*.co*.uk*] Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 4:52 AM To: scuba-uk Cc: Techdiver Subject: Re: long hose eviction From Les Maddams (to Nige Needham, by phone) Hi all, I don't normally take the time to enter into discussions on forums, but on this occasion I need to make an exception. It so happens that on the day in question I arrived at the shop halfway through the dissagreement. From what I heard and saw, at best I can say Tims comments have been exaggerated and certain points missed out, and at worst there are some downright lies. As background information there appears to be the usual political power struggle at one of the clubs which runs from Mikes WW in East Grinstead. A couple of divers are apparently trying to convince club members to go DIR, and are upsetting other members and the shop where the 'wrong' kit has been purchased. I am not a member of this club but do most of their technical courses, I have my own opinions on DIR but I keep these to myself, I would never say to divers 'You must do it my way or your a stroke'. OK so I'm a stroke, and so are many other well respected divers and guess what, I dont care. My theory is, if something works for you use it, if it doesn't look for advice and change it. If a long hose on a primary wrapped round his neck works for Tim then great, there are divers in my club who would agree with him, but there are also those who wouldn't. All I can suggest is that you don't get drawn into a private arguement between divers, one of which appears to be trying to score brownie points with George. For the record Stuart is a very experienced diver who doesn't like to be called a w*****r in his own shop in front of other customers. Furthermore if he's got the strength to throw a twinset across a room I wouldn't argue with him any way!!! Regards to all Les ----- Original Message ----- From: IB2 <ian@ca*.fr*.co*.uk*> To: Scuba UK <scuba-uk@dr*.ne*> Sent: 14 October 2000 08:08 Subject: Fw: long hose eviction - From Techdiver The following post appeared on Techdiver yesterday. It never seems to amaze me how people will try to justify their point of view with "reasons" instead of simply trying or agreeing to differ. Still it saves me the trounble of visiting East Grinstead to see if the shop is any good, I'll just stick to my local dive store. Ian. Never underestimate the power of stupidity. -----Original Message----- From: tim humphrey <tim@hu*.ne*> To: Tech Diver <techdiver@aquanaut.com> Date: 13 October 2000 13:41 Subject: long hose eviction Dear List, Below please find a copy of a mail I sent to George earlier in the week. It just goes to show the sacrifices necessary to follow the DIR disciplines. At Georges request I can now inform the list the guys name is Stuart Taylor and he is a partner in the Mikes Waterfront Warehouse franchise at East Grinstead, UK. George, I posted a question last month re: weightbelts which you were kind enough to answer at some length, for which I thank you heartily. I thought you might be interested, and probably amused at the events which took place at my local dive shop last saturday. I have not named the shop, nor have I posted to the list, but would do both if you so wished. This season I have been in the process of converting to DIR and as a result have been breathing the long hose on my primary for some months, however my regulators have not been up to scratch so I decided to buy an Apex 40 for my primary reg and convert my existing primary - a Spiro Artic - to my back-up. Off I went to my dive shop, complete with both sets of regs, to get the new reg fitted immediately to be ready to dive on Sunday. I arrived at the shop and put my regs on the bench at which point one of the co-owners came past and saw my regs, "What's this pile of crap! Why have you got your primary reg on your back-up hose?" One of my colleagues intervened at this point and explained that I dive my primary on my long hose. "You must be mad! What are you going to do, wrap it round your neck and strangle yourself? Your gas consumption will soar. What are you going to donate to your buddy in an out of air situation?" When I explained my gas consumption had actually improved after adopting the long hose and that I would happily donate the regulator from my mouth the guy hit the roof. "I'm an engineer and I'm telling you it is physically impossible for your consumption to do anything but worsen and markedly so!!" The decibels were rising all the time. "If you're going to donate the reg from out of your mouth then you are an accident waiting to happen, your dangerous and a bloody liability. What are you going to breath??" I tried to explain but it was pointless, the guy was just not listening. "Where did you get all this from? Not that wanker on the internet." I said, yes that's right, the same wanker with all the world records for deep and long penetration dives and cave dives,the same wanker who has forgotten more about diving than you will ever know, and the same wanker who has done more diving than you will ever do if you dive every day for the rest of your life, yes, that's the guy. Tempers were now getting fraught on both sides! You know the sad thing? He doesn't know anything about you other than what he has heard from other people, as, by his own admission, he does not use the internet. Anyway it was at this point he told me to "Fuck-off out of my shop". Bear in mind I had gone there to spend over £200. "And take this with you!!" he shouted, picking up my twin set. By now I was getting mad and told him, in no uncertain words, to put my set down, at which point he promptly threw it across the floor. It was then eye-ball to eye-ball stuff. What can you do with arsehole like that? You have to laugh. And all this for taking your advice and breathing the long hose. You see the trouble you get us in lads into!! Will I be put off? Will I hell. Will I be using that shop again? No chance!! Hope this has kept you entertained. All the best, Tim -=-=-=- [ Scuba-UK: Details @ http://www.drogon.net/scuba-uk-ndg/ ] [ To leave the list, send "unsubscribe scuba-uk" to majordomo@dr*.ne* ] -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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