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From: trey@ne*.co* (Trey)
To: "Phi Le" <phi@sk*.be*>, "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>
Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Subject: Re: re vb tech report
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 20:51:01 -0400
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Jt, not the feet thing again - I thought you were going to pull some =
real bullshit. I'd like to know what feet has to do with wreck diving , =
and do not tell me it is because the dumb fucks up there don't mark =
their bottles so can not understand yours.

The more crap you put on the bottle , the bigger than chance of a =
misread .

There is only one piece fo information that is necessary on that bottle =
when in use, and that is the MOD. Go back and read our gas mixing rules, =
our transport rules, our marking rules and our deployment rules to see =
how the entire system works.=20

Piecemeal compromising bullshit does not work and leads to a screwup.=20

See the WKPP.org website for a FULLl explanation.

=20


    Phi Le
    I have no beef with you, you may find it hard to believe that I =
actually care what happens to the people that dive with me, after being =
on 3 trips that divers lost their life on, it makes me  very cautious =
with what goes on during the predive and dive. Ok, so there was 2 =
questions if you want to count that last one, the answer is Yes. ;-)
   =20
    JT
   =20
       At 01:48 AM 8/15/00 +0200, Phi Le wrote:
   =20
        JT,
       =20
        I don't know you nor MHK, and don't care if either of you guys =
use alu 80. The people I dive with don't use alu 80 as stages in the =
ocean. When I am visiting Florida, I use 2 X alu 40 for 50% and O2. At =
home (Europe or Asia), I use 2 X alu 7L. And that's more than enough for =
down to 300 ft.
       =20
        Ask George if he uses alu 80 for the ocean dives!
       =20
        I wasn't stabbing at you. I didn't understand why any Capt or =
divers (not my buddies) would care how I mark my stages or what gas I =
have in my tanks (providing I don't do deep air, etc.). I don't dive =
with them eventhough we go out on the same boat since I would have my =
buddies. And if they need to grab a bottle in case of emergency, the =
content is marked by tape at the tank neck.
       =20
        So basically, I was only disagreeing with your reasoning for the =
need to add "FT" after the MOD.
       =20
        That's not some DIR party-lines, JT. It's just common sense! And =
stop been so damn defensive, not everybody is looking to flame other =
people.
       =20
        I re-read mine, and there were actually 2 questions :-)
       =20
        -Phi
                -----Original Message-----=20
                From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]=20
                Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 1:33 AM=20
                To: Phi Le=20
                Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com=20
                Subject: RE: re vb tech report
               =20
               =20
                Phi Le=20
                 You are correct, after rereading it, I sounded just =
like "George", forgive my poor taste in words.
               =20
               =20
                Hint: nobody is diving 80cf aluminum stages in the ocean =
so you are barking up the wrong tree there. The rest of the post is too =
stupid to read.=20
                Hint: you better go look at some of the photos on my =
site you will see MHK and Myself using alum 80's and read below the =
email from George  where he directs the NE divers to go look, it is the =
same thing I posted.=20
                BTW, I took your question as a stab at me, reread yours =
and will see you only ask one real question, the rest was standard DIR =
answers, statements no questions at all.=20
                 =20
               =20
               =20
                At 03:15 PM 8/10/00 -0400, Trey wrote:=20
                JJ, my opin. is that XXXXXXXXX needs to go to=20
                http://www.wkpp.org and read my DIR configuration=20
                article under "Equipment" and then explain that to=20
                XXXXX and the others. This in cludes our bottle=20
                marking scheme which is at the heart of gas diving.
               =20
               =20
                We can not have an intelligent discussion until that=20
                effort is made, and we can not expect XXXXXXX or=20
                anyone else to think that wearing some wing or some=20
                bottle on some side means anything without this=20
                explanation.
               =20
               =20
               =20
               =20
                  At 12:12 AM 8/15/00 +0200, Phi Le wrote:
                    JT,=20
                     =20
                    First of all, you complaint about George's delivery =
style and you called my questions "bullshit" ?=20
                     =20
                    You claimed to do something better (stage marking) =
and I was sincerely interested in finding out. You gave an answer which =
I felt was probable, but not worth the trouble to adopt (mark FT after =
the MOD). So I asked for clarity and you pulled the "WKPP =
wannabees"-bullshit.=20
                     =20
                    Why do you think that anyone want to sniff anyone =
else's butt ? People are on this list to exchange information. So if you =
have nothing to share, then STFU, stop pretending like you do and waste =
everybody's time. I don't have time to trade insults with you.=20
                     =20
                    Just re-read your posting below and ask somebody to =
explain DIR to you, you have no clue of what you are trying to slam.=20
                     =20
                    Hint: nobody is diving 80cf aluminum stages in the =
ocean so you are barking up the wrong tree there. The rest of the post =
is too stupid to read.=20
                     =20
                    -Phi=20
                     =20
                     -----Original Message-----=20
                    From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]=20
                    Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 10:13 PM=20
                    To: Phi Le=20
                    Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com=20
                    Subject: RE: re vb tech report=20
                    Below in BOLD is the section about stages written by =
George Irvine and is still on the WKPP org. web site in the equipment =
section. Since most NE wreckers have turned their back on techdiver due =
to GI tactics, the only source of information they can get without being =
pounded "WKPP wanna bees" is this site or others who are doing nothing =
more than sniffing GI butt with this same copied info.=20
                    Stages should be aluminum 80's.=20
                    Right off the bat they can see that GI is off his =
rocker, he has already told everyone not to change any of his system, =
they already know that it is much easier to carry a 45 steel stage than =
an eighty on a wreck dive. Alum 40's are better for wreck dives, easier =
to manage, but he does not say that in this on the site.=20
                     These swing equally from negative to=20
                    positive with air, less negative with gas, by the =
amount of the air or=20
                    gas carried. They are rigged with stainless steel =
bolt snaps, the size=20
                    of which is determined by whether or not your diving =
requires gloves,=20
                    They have already figured this out also, except =
Brass will do at less cost, they dive cold water so they knew about the =
size for the gloves LONG before he did.=20
                    and those are attached by a piece of 1/4" line run =
under a hose clamp=20
                    halfway down the tank and tied to the neck. The =
upper clip should be=20
                    tight to the break of the neck, the lower clip =
should have plenty of=20
                    tail to work with. The bottle needs to be held close =
in the front and=20
                    lose in the back to prevent drag. There should NEVER =
be any metal to=20
                    metal connections of any part of your rig.=20
                    This is something they would not know or understand, =
UNLESS you have scootered with stages and without.
                   =20
                   =20
                   =20
                   =20
                   =20
                   =20
                    Stages need to be permanently marked as to their =
maximum operating=20
                    depth in three inch high letters placed horizontally =
in the orientation=20
                    of the tank on either side so that the diver can see =
what he is=20
                    breathing, and so can his buddy, no mater where the =
tank is. The stage=20
                    reg is rigged with a short pressure gauge which is =
bent back on itself=20
                    to face the diver and held in place by bungee cord =
at the first stage,=20
                    The reg hose must be the octopus length. The stage =
regs are always=20
                    parked on the bottle and the bottle turned off =
unless in use. Stages are=20
                    generally worn on the left side for streamlining, =
and because of the=20
                    position and balance of the rest of the gear and the =
other hoses so as=20
                    not to interfere with the operation of any other =
gear, as well as the=20
                    scooter , which is driven with the right hand, =
favoring the right side.=20
                    Is this the best reasons you can write about for =
marking stages? A lot of the divers dive SOLO like it or not, so that =
buddy stuff is a waste to them.Also don't hold your breath, while your =
waiting for everyone to start buddy diving  , deal with what their doing =
now. Breathing correct gas is good, easy to see what your breathing.
                   =20
                   =20
                    To deploy a stage, we look for the correct depth =
marking, we put the=20
                    reg around our neck, we then turn on the bottle , =
put the reg in our=20
                    mouth, and if we can breath, we are breathing the =
correct gas. It is=20
                    just that simple. No other convolutions are =
necessary, and would only add=20
                    to the chance for error.=20
                    Yes it is very simple, but you need to put it out so =
they can understand it and why they should do it.=20
                    The 3" marking work very well for our group here, =
for the very deep dives I like to have my stages delivered to me, my =
name and MOD are on them , it also puts the support diver with me to =
make sure everything is OK.=20
                    Should I need extra gas I need only point to the =
markings and the support diver can go to the boat and any bottle will do =
as they are all mark with 3"MOD just get one that matches what I need. =
This can be done on any dive, if a diver is low on needed gas all he has =
to do is point to the MOD and his name, that way we know who is in =
trouble. Also makes it is easy for the crew to locate extra gas for him =
if everyone is marking their tanks the same way, it is not a CF trying =
to read those little bullshit tags that fall off.=20
                    Phi Le=20
                    I will only answer one of those bullshit questions =
below.
                   =20
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                    At 04:07 PM 8/14/00 +0200, Phi Le wrote:=20
                        JT,
                       =20
                       =20
                        So you feel there is an issue that people might =
be mistaken for a stage=20
                        marked for 60 ft as EAN60. That's a =
possibility...
                       =20
                       =20
                        But why would the Capt and other divers be =
worrying about *my* stages ?
                    BECAUSE WE CARE!
                   =20
                   =20
                   =20
                   =20
                   =20
                   =20
                        Obviously I will be diving with my buddies who =
would know what the markings=20
                        mean. The stage(s) will be with me u/w so no one =
will breath it without my=20
                        knowledge.
                       =20
                       =20
                        If someone wants to use them in case of an =
emergency on the boat, the oxygen=20
                        deco stage is clearly marked "Oxygen" and the =
rest has the content analysis=20
                        tape at the neck.
                       =20
                       =20
                        Am I still missing something ?
                       =20
                       =20
                        -Phi
                       =20
                       =20
                        -----Original Message-----=20
                        From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]=20
                        Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 3:32 PM=20
                        To: Phi Le=20
                        Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com=20
                        Subject: RE: re vb tech report
                       =20
                       =20
                       =20
                       =20
                       =20
                       =20
                        There is no better system than what the WKPP use =
at this time, but as a=20
                        Capt and diver on boats that carry numerous =
divers on trips who have no=20
                        idea what the markings mean, I have added FT(=3D =
feet) to my stages so there=20
                        is no confusion on their part.=20
                        If one does not like the FT he can simply cover =
it up with the rubber=20
                        intertube as JJ did to my tanks he used when =
they were here.
                       =20
                       =20
                        I will make a detailed list of why making stages =
in the 3" MOD works for us=20
                        here and why NE wreck divers should follow suit =
in a  later post.
                       =20
                       =20
                          At 01:44 PM 8/14/00 +0200, you wrote:=20
                        >From: Capt JT <captjt@mi*.co*>=20
                        ><snip>=20
                        >The 2 big things we do not agree on are:=20
                        > >2) Reasons why you mark stages...=20
                        ><snip>=20
                        >=20
                        >JT,=20
                        >=20
                        >Why do you disagree with it ?=20
                        >=20
                        >And since you are marking stages differently, =
you must feel that your way=20
                        is=20
                        >better. Could you elaborate on your *better* =
system ?=20
                        >=20
                        >-Phi
       =20
        "You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to =
get in the water"
        Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more
         Web Site  http://www.capt-jt.com/
        Email     captjt@mi*.co*
       =20
   =20
    "You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get =
in the water"
    Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more
     Web Site  http://www.capt-jt.com/
    Email     captjt@mi*.co*
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Jt, not the feet thing again - I =
thought you=20
were going to pull some real bullshit. I'd like to know what feet has to =
do with=20
wreck diving , and do not tell me it is because the dumb fucks up there =
don't=20
mark their bottles so can not understand yours.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The more crap you put on the bottle , =
the bigger=20
than chance of a misread .</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There is only one piece fo information =
that is=20
necessary on that bottle when in use, and that is the MOD. Go back and =
read our=20
gas mixing rules, our transport rules, our marking rules and our =
deployment=20
rules to see how the entire system works. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Piecemeal compromising bullshit does =
not work and=20
leads to a screwup. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>See the WKPP.org website for a FULLl=20
explanation.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> <BR><BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: =
5px"></FONT>Phi=20
    Le<BR>I have no beef with you, you may find it hard to believe that =
I=20
    actually care what happens to the people that dive with me, after =
being on 3=20
    trips that divers lost their life on, it makes me  very =
cautious with=20
    what goes on during the predive and dive. Ok, so there was 2 =
questions if=20
    you want to count that last one, the answer is Yes.=20
    ;-)<BR><BR>JT<BR><BR>   At 01:48 AM 8/15/00 +0200,
Phi Le=20
    wrote:<BR><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3Darial size=3D2>
    <BLOCKQUOTE cite type =3D cite>JT,</FONT><BR><BR><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
        face=3Darial size=3D2>I don't know you nor MHK, and don't care =
if either of=20
        you guys use alu 80. The people I dive with don't use alu 80 as =
stages=20
        in the ocean. When I am visiting Florida, I use 2 X alu 40 for =
50% and=20
        O2. At home (Europe or Asia), I use 2 X alu 7L. And that's more =
than=20
        enough for down to 300 ft.</FONT><BR><BR><FONT
color=3D#0000ff =
face=3Darial=20
        size=3D2>Ask George if he uses alu 80 for the ocean=20
        dives!</FONT><BR><BR><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3Darial =
size=3D2>I wasn't=20
        stabbing at you. I didn't understand why any Capt or divers (not =
my=20
        buddies) would care how I mark my stages or what gas I have in =
my tanks=20
        (providing I don't do deep air, etc.). I don't dive with them =
eventhough=20
        we go out on the same boat since I would have my buddies. And if =
they=20
        need to grab a bottle in case of emergency, the content is =
marked by=20
        tape at the tank neck.</FONT><BR><BR><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
face=3Darial=20
        size=3D2>So basically, I was only disagreeing with your =
reasoning for the=20
        need to add "FT" after the
MOD.</FONT><BR><BR><FONT=20
        color=3D#0000ff face=3Darial size=3D2>That's not some DIR =
party-lines, JT.=20
        It's just common sense! And stop been so damn defensive, not =
everybody=20
        is looking to flame other people.</FONT><BR><BR><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
        face=3Darial size=3D2>I re-read mine, and there were actually 2 =
questions=20
        :-)</FONT><BR><BR><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3Darial =
size=3D2>-Phi</FONT>
        <BLOCKQUOTE><FONT face=3Dtahoma size=3D2>
            <DL>
                <DD>-----Original Message-----=20
                <DD>From:</B> Capt JT [<A =
href=3D"mailto:captjt@mi*.co*"=20
                eudora =3D autourl>mailto:captjt@mi*.co*</A>]=20
                <DD>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 15, 2000 1:33 AM=20
                <DD>To:</B> Phi Le=20
                <DD>Cc:</B> techdiver@aquanaut.com=20
                <DD>Subject:</B> RE: re vb tech
report<BR><BR></FONT>
                <DD>Phi Le=20
                <DD> You are correct, after rereading it, I sounded =
just=20
                like "George", forgive my poor taste in=20
                words.<BR><BR><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3Darial =
size=3D2>
                <DD>Hint: nobody is diving 80cf aluminum stages in the =
ocean so=20
                you are barking up the wrong tree there. The rest of the =
post is=20
                too stupid to read.</FONT>=20
                <DD>Hint: you better go look at some of the photos on my =
site=20
                you will see MHK and Myself using alum 80's and read =
below the=20
                email from George  where he directs the NE divers =
to go=20
                look, it is the same thing I posted.=20
                <DD>BTW, I took your question as a stab at me, reread =
yours and=20
                will see you only ask one real question, the rest was =
standard=20
                DIR answers, statements no questions at all.=20
                <DD>  <BR><BR>
                <DD>At 03:15 PM 8/10/00 -0400, Trey wrote:=20
                <DD>JJ, my opin. is that XXXXXXXXX needs to go to<FONT=20
                color=3D#0000ff>=20
                <DD><A href=3D"http://www.wkpp.org/" eudora =3D=20
                autourl>http://www.wkpp.org</A></FONT></U> and read my
=
DIR=20
                configuration=20
                <DD>article under "Equipment" and then explain =
that to=20
               =20
                <DD>XXXXX and the others. This in cludes our bottle=20
                <DD>marking scheme which is at the heart of gas =
diving.<BR><BR>
                <DD>We can not have an intelligent discussion until that =

                <DD>effort is made, and we can not expect XXXXXXX or=20
                <DD>anyone else to think that wearing some wing or some=20
                <DD>bottle on some side means anything without this=20
                <DD>explanation.<BR><BR><BR><BR>
                <DD>  At 12:12 AM 8/15/00 +0200, Phi Le wrote:<FONT =

                color=3D#0000ff face=3Darial size=3D2>
                <BLOCKQUOTE cite type =3D cite>
                    <DD>JT,</FONT>=20
                    <DD> <FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3Darial =
size=3D2>=20
                    <DD>First of all, you complaint about George's =
delivery=20
                    style and you called my questions =
"bullshit" ?=20
                    </FONT>
                    <DD> <FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3Darial =
size=3D2>=20
                    <DD>You claimed to do something better (stage =
marking) and I=20
                    was sincerely interested in finding out. You gave an =
answer=20
                    which I felt was probable, but not worth the trouble =
to=20
                    adopt (mark FT after the MOD). So I asked for =
clarity and=20
                    you pulled the "WKPP =
wannabees"-bullshit.</FONT>=20
                    <DD> <FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3Darial =
size=3D2>=20
                    <DD>Why do you think that anyone want to sniff =
anyone else's=20
                    butt ? People are on this list to exchange =
information. So=20
                    if you have nothing to share, then STFU, stop =
pretending=20
                    like you do and waste everybody's time. I don't have =
time to=20
                    trade insults with you.</FONT>=20
                    <DD> <FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3Darial =
size=3D2>=20
                    <DD>Just re-read your posting below and ask somebody =
to=20
                    explain DIR to you, you have no clue of what you are =
trying=20
                    to slam.</FONT>=20
                    <DD> <FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3Darial =
size=3D2>=20
                    <DD>Hint: nobody is diving 80cf aluminum stages in =
the ocean=20
                    so you are barking up the wrong tree there. The rest =
of the=20
                    post is too stupid to read.</FONT>=20
                    <DD> <FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3Darial =
size=3D2>=20
                    <DD>-Phi</FONT>=20
                    <DD> <FONT face=3Dtahoma size=3D2>=20
                    <DD> -----Original Message-----=20
                    <DD>From:</B> Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*] =

                    <DD>Sent:</B> Monday, August 14, 2000 10:13 PM=20
                    <DD>To:</B> Phi Le=20
                    <DD>Cc:</B> techdiver@aquanaut.com=20
                    <DD>Subject:</B> RE: re vb tech report</FONT>=20
                    <DD>Below in BOLD is the section about stages =
written by=20
                    George Irvine and is still on the WKPP org. web site =
in the=20
                    equipment section. Since most NE wreckers have =
turned their=20
                    back on techdiver due to GI tactics, the only source =
of=20
                    information they can get without being pounded =
"WKPP=20
                    wanna bees" is this site or others who are =
doing=20
                    nothing more than sniffing GI butt with this same =
copied=20
                    info.<FONT face=3D"Arial Black, Helvetica">=20
                    <DD>Stages should be aluminum 80's.</FONT>=20
                    <DD>Right off the bat they can see that GI is off =
his=20
                    rocker, he has already told everyone not to change =
any of=20
                    his system, they already know that it is much easier =
to=20
                    carry a 45 steel stage than an eighty on a wreck =
dive. Alum=20
                    40's are better for wreck dives, easier to manage, =
but he=20
                    does not say that in this on the site.<FONT=20
                    face=3D"Arial Black, Helvetica">=20
                    <DD> These swing equally from negative to=20
                    <DD>positive with air, less negative with gas, by =
the amount=20
                    of the air or=20
                    <DD>gas carried. They are rigged with stainless =
steel bolt=20
                    snaps, the size=20
                    <DD>of which is determined by whether or not your =
diving=20
                    requires gloves,</FONT>=20
                    <DD>They have already figured this out also, except =
Brass=20
                    will do at less cost, they dive cold water so they =
knew=20
                    about the size for the gloves LONG before he did. =
<FONT=20
                    face=3D"Arial Black, Helvetica">
                    <DD>and those are attached by a piece of 1/4" =
line run=20
                    under a hose clamp=20
                    <DD>halfway down the tank and tied to the neck. The =
upper=20
                    clip should be=20
                    <DD>tight to the break of the neck, the lower clip =
should=20
                    have plenty of=20
                    <DD>tail to work with. The bottle needs to be held =
close in=20
                    the front and=20
                    <DD>lose in the back to prevent drag. There should =
NEVER be=20
                    any metal to=20
                    <DD>metal connections of any part of your =
rig.</FONT>=20
                    <DD>This is something they would not know or =
understand,=20
                    UNLESS you have scootered with stages and=20
                   
without.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><FONT=20
                    face=3D"Arial Black, Helvetica">
                    <DD>Stages need to be permanently marked as to their =
maximum=20
                    operating=20
                    <DD>depth in three inch high letters placed =
horizontally in=20
                    the orientation=20
                    <DD>of the tank on either side so that the diver can =
see=20
                    what he is=20
                    <DD>breathing, and so can his buddy, no mater where =
the tank=20
                    is. The stage=20
                    <DD>reg is rigged with a short pressure gauge which =
is bent=20
                    back on itself=20
                    <DD>to face the diver and held in place by bungee =
cord at=20
                    the first stage,=20
                    <DD>The reg hose must be the octopus length. The =
stage regs=20
                    are always=20
                    <DD>parked on the bottle and the bottle turned off =
unless in=20
                    use. Stages are=20
                    <DD>generally worn on the left side for =
streamlining, and=20
                    because of the=20
                    <DD>position and balance of the rest of the gear and =
the=20
                    other hoses so as=20
                    <DD>not to interfere with the operation of any other =
gear,=20
                    as well as the=20
                    <DD>scooter , which is driven with the right hand, =
favoring=20
                    the right side.</FONT>=20
                    <DD>Is this the best reasons you can write about for =
marking=20
                    stages? A lot of the divers dive SOLO like it or =
not, so=20
                    that buddy stuff is a waste to them.Also don't hold =
your=20
                    breath, while your waiting for everyone to start =
buddy=20
                    diving  , deal with what their doing now. =
Breathing=20
                    correct gas is good, easy to see what your=20
                    breathing.<BR><BR><FONT face=3D"Arial Black, =
Helvetica">
                    <DD>To deploy a stage, we look for the correct depth =

                    marking, we put the=20
                    <DD>reg around our neck, we then turn on the bottle =
, put=20
                    the reg in our=20
                    <DD>mouth, and if we can breath, we are breathing =
the=20
                    correct gas. It is=20
                    <DD>just that simple. No other convolutions are =
necessary,=20
                    and would only add=20
                    <DD>to the chance for error. </FONT>
                    <DD>Yes it is very simple, but you need to put it =
out so=20
                    they can understand it and why they should do it.=20
                    <DD>The 3" marking work very well for our group =
here,=20
                    for the very deep dives I like to have my stages =
delivered=20
                    to me, my name and MOD are on them , it also puts =
the=20
                    support diver with me to make sure everything is OK. =

                    <DD>Should I need extra gas I need only point to the =

                    markings and the support diver can go to the boat =
and any=20
                    bottle will do as they are all mark with 3"MOD =
just get=20
                    one that matches what I need. This can be done on =
any dive,=20
                    if a diver is low on needed gas all he has to do is =
point to=20
                    the MOD and his name, that way we know who is in =
trouble.=20
                    Also makes it is easy for the crew to locate extra =
gas for=20
                    him if everyone is marking their tanks the same way, =
it is=20
                    not a CF trying to read those little bullshit tags =
that fall=20
                    off.=20
                    <DD>Phi Le=20
                    <DD>I will only answer one of those bullshit =
questions=20
                    below.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
                    <DD>At 04:07 PM 8/14/00 +0200, Phi Le wrote:=20
                    <BLOCKQUOTE cite type =3D cite>
                        <DD>JT,<BR><BR>
                        <DD>So you feel there is an issue that people =
might be=20
                        mistaken for a stage=20
                        <DD>marked for 60 ft as EAN60. That's a=20
                        possibility...<BR><BR>
                        <DD>But why would the Capt and other divers be =
worrying=20
                        about *my* stages ?</DD></BLOCKQUOTE>
                    <DD>BECAUSE WE
CARE!<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
                    <BLOCKQUOTE cite type =3D cite>
                        <DD>Obviously I will be diving with my buddies =
who would=20
                        know what the markings=20
                        <DD>mean. The stage(s) will be with me u/w so no =
one=20
                        will breath it without my=20
                        <DD>knowledge.<BR><BR>
                        <DD>If someone wants to use them in case of an =
emergency=20
                        on the boat, the oxygen=20
                        <DD>deco stage is clearly marked =
"Oxygen" and=20
                        the rest has the content analysis=20
                        <DD>tape at the neck.<BR><BR>
                        <DD>Am I still missing something ?<BR><BR>
                        <DD>-Phi<BR><BR>
                        <DD>-----Original Message-----=20
                        <DD>From: Capt JT [<A=20
                        href=3D"mailto:captjt@mi*.co*" eudora =3D =

                        autourl>mailto:captjt@mi*.co*</A>]=20
                        <DD>Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 3:32 PM=20
                        <DD>To: Phi Le=20
                        <DD>Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com=20
                        <DD>Subject: RE: re vb tech=20
                        report<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
                        <DD>There is no better system than what the WKPP =
use at=20
                        this time, but as a=20
                        <DD>Capt and diver on boats that carry numerous =
divers=20
                        on trips who have no=20
                        <DD>idea what the markings mean, I have added =
FT(=3D feet)=20
                        to my stages so there=20
                        <DD>is no confusion on their part.=20
                        <DD>If one does not like the FT he can simply =
cover it=20
                        up with the rubber=20
                        <DD>intertube as JJ did to my tanks he used when =
they=20
                        were here.<BR><BR>
                        <DD>I will make a detailed list of why making =
stages in=20
                        the 3" MOD works for us=20
                        <DD>here and why NE wreck divers should follow =
suit in=20
                        a  later post.<BR><BR>
                        <DD>  At 01:44 PM 8/14/00 +0200, you wrote: =

                        <DD>>From: Capt JT =
<captjt@mi*.co*>=20
                        <DD>><snip>=20
                        <DD>>The 2 big things we do not agree on are: =

                        <DD>> >2) Reasons why you mark stages...=20
                        <DD>><snip>=20
                        <DD>>=20
                        <DD>>JT,=20
                        <DD>>=20
                        <DD>>Why do you disagree with it ?=20
                        <DD>>=20
                        <DD>>And since you are marking stages =
differently,=20
                        you must feel that your way=20
                        <DD>is=20
                        <DD>>better. Could you elaborate on your =
*better*=20
                        system ?=20
                        <DD>>=20
                        =
<DD>>-Phi</DD></BLOCKQUOTE></DD></BLOCKQUOTE></DD></DL>&
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        can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get =
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