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JT,
First of all, you complaint about George's delivery style and you called my
questions "bullshit" ?
You claimed to do something better (stage marking) and I was sincerely
interested in finding out. You gave an answer which I felt was probable, but
not worth the trouble to adopt (mark FT after the MOD). So I asked for
clarity and you pulled the "WKPP wannabees"-bullshit.
Why do you think that anyone want to sniff anyone else's butt ? People are
on this list to exchange information. So if you have nothing to share, then
STFU, stop pretending like you do and waste everybody's time. I don't have
time to trade insults with you.
Just re-read your posting below and ask somebody to explain DIR to you, you
have no clue of what you are trying to slam.
Hint: nobody is diving 80cf aluminum stages in the ocean so you are barking
up the wrong tree there. The rest of the post is too stupid to read.
-Phi
-----Original Message-----
From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 10:13 PM
To: Phi Le
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: RE: re vb tech report
Below in BOLD is the section about stages written by George Irvine and is
still on the WKPP org. web site in the equipment section. Since most NE
wreckers have turned their back on techdiver due to GI tactics, the only
source of information they can get without being pounded "WKPP wanna bees"
is this site or others who are doing nothing more than sniffing GI butt with
this same copied info.
Stages should be aluminum 80's.
Right off the bat they can see that GI is off his rocker, he has already
told everyone not to change any of his system, they already know that it is
much easier to carry a 45 steel stage than an eighty on a wreck dive. Alum
40's are better for wreck dives, easier to manage, but he does not say that
in this on the site.
These swing equally from negative to
positive with air, less negative with gas, by the amount of the air or
gas carried. They are rigged with stainless steel bolt snaps, the size
of which is determined by whether or not your diving requires gloves,
They have already figured this out also, except Brass will do at less
cost, they dive cold water so they knew about the size for the gloves LONG
before he did.
and those are attached by a piece of 1/4" line run under a hose clamp
halfway down the tank and tied to the neck. The upper clip should be
tight to the break of the neck, the lower clip should have plenty of
tail to work with. The bottle needs to be held close in the front and
lose in the back to prevent drag. There should NEVER be any metal to
metal connections of any part of your rig.
This is something they would not know or understand, UNLESS you have
scootered with stages and without.
Stages need to be permanently marked as to their maximum operating
depth in three inch high letters placed horizontally in the orientation
of the tank on either side so that the diver can see what he is
breathing, and so can his buddy, no mater where the tank is. The stage
reg is rigged with a short pressure gauge which is bent back on itself
to face the diver and held in place by bungee cord at the first stage,
The reg hose must be the octopus length. The stage regs are always
parked on the bottle and the bottle turned off unless in use. Stages are
generally worn on the left side for streamlining, and because of the
position and balance of the rest of the gear and the other hoses so as
not to interfere with the operation of any other gear, as well as the
scooter , which is driven with the right hand, favoring the right side.
Is this the best reasons you can write about for marking stages? A lot of
the divers dive SOLO like it or not, so that buddy stuff is a waste to
them.Also don't hold your breath, while your waiting for everyone to start
buddy diving , deal with what their doing now. Breathing correct gas is
good, easy to see what your breathing.
To deploy a stage, we look for the correct depth marking, we put the
reg around our neck, we then turn on the bottle , put the reg in our
mouth, and if we can breath, we are breathing the correct gas. It is
just that simple. No other convolutions are necessary, and would only add
to the chance for error.
Yes it is very simple, but you need to put it out so they can understand
it and why they should do it.
The 3" marking work very well for our group here, for the very deep dives
I like to have my stages delivered to me, my name and MOD are on them , it
also puts the support diver with me to make sure everything is OK.
Should I need extra gas I need only point to the markings and the support
diver can go to the boat and any bottle will do as they are all mark with
3"MOD just get one that matches what I need. This can be done on any dive,
if a diver is low on needed gas all he has to do is point to the MOD and his
name, that way we know who is in trouble. Also makes it is easy for the crew
to locate extra gas for him if everyone is marking their tanks the same way,
it is not a CF trying to read those little bullshit tags that fall off.
Phi Le
I will only answer one of those bullshit questions below.
At 04:07 PM 8/14/00 +0200, Phi Le wrote:
JT,
So you feel there is an issue that people might be mistaken for a stage
marked for 60 ft as EAN60. That's a possibility...
But why would the Capt and other divers be worrying about *my* stages ?
BECAUSE WE CARE!
Obviously I will be diving with my buddies who would know what the
markings
mean. The stage(s) will be with me u/w so no one will breath it without
my
knowledge.
If someone wants to use them in case of an emergency on the boat, the
oxygen
deco stage is clearly marked "Oxygen" and the rest has the content
analysis
tape at the neck.
Am I still missing something ?
-Phi
-----Original Message-----
From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 3:32 PM
To: Phi Le
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: RE: re vb tech report
There is no better system than what the WKPP use at this time, but as a
Capt and diver on boats that carry numerous divers on trips who have no
idea what the markings mean, I have added FT(= feet) to my stages so
there
is no confusion on their part.
If one does not like the FT he can simply cover it up with the rubber
intertube as JJ did to my tanks he used when they were here.
I will make a detailed list of why making stages in the 3" MOD works for
us
here and why NE wreck divers should follow suit in a later post.
At 01:44 PM 8/14/00 +0200, you wrote:
>From: Capt JT <captjt@mi*.co*>
><snip>
>The 2 big things we do not agree on are:
> >2) Reasons why you mark stages...
><snip>
>
>JT,
>
>Why do you disagree with it ?
>
>And since you are marking stages differently, you must feel that your
way
is
>better. Could you elaborate on your *better* system ?
>
>-Phi
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D500443121-14082000>JT,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D500443121-14082000>First=20
of all, you complaint about George's delivery style and you called my =
questions=20
"bullshit" ? </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D500443121-14082000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D500443121-14082000>You claimed to do something better =
(stage marking)=20
and I was sincerely interested in finding out. You gave an answer which =
I felt=20
was probable, but not worth the trouble to adopt (mark FT after the =
MOD). So I=20
asked for clarity and you pulled the "WKPP=20
wannabees"-bullshit.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D500443121-14082000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D500443121-14082000>Why do=20
you think that anyone want to sniff anyone else's butt ? People are on =
this list=20
to exchange information. So if you have nothing to share, then STFU, =
stop=20
pretending like you do and waste everybody's time. I don't have time to =
trade=20
insults with you.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D500443121-14082000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D500443121-14082000>Just=20
re-read your posting below and ask somebody to explain DIR to you, you =
have no=20
clue of what you are trying to slam.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D500443121-14082000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D500443121-14082000>Hint:=20
nobody is diving 80cf aluminum stages in the ocean so you are barking up =
the=20
wrong tree there.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D500443121-14082000> The rest of the post is too stupid to=20
read.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=3D500443121-14082000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D500443121-14082000>-Phi</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D500443121-14082000> </SPAN>-----Original =
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August =
14, 2000=20
10:13 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Phi Le<BR><B>Cc:</B>=20
techdiver@aquanaut.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: re vb tech=20
report<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<BLOCKQUOTE></FONT>Below in BOLD is the section about stages written by =
George=20
Irvine and is still on the WKPP org. web site in the equipment =
section. Since=20
most NE wreckers have turned their back on techdiver due to GI =
tactics, the=20
only source of information they can get without being pounded "WKPP =
wanna=20
bees" is this site or others who are doing nothing more than sniffing =
GI butt=20
with this same copied info.<BR><FONT=20
face=3D"Arial Black, Helvetica"> <BR>Stages should be aluminum=20
80's.<BR></FONT>Right off the bat they can see that GI is off his =
rocker, he=20
has already told everyone not to change any of his system, they =
already know=20
that it is much easier to carry a 45 steel stage than an eighty on a =
wreck=20
dive. Alum 40's are better for wreck dives, easier to manage, but he =
does not=20
say that in this on the site.<BR><FONT=20
face=3D"Arial Black, Helvetica"> These swing equally from =
negative=20
to<BR>positive with air, less negative with gas, by the amount of the =
air=20
or<BR>gas carried. They are rigged with stainless steel bolt snaps, =
the=20
size<BR>of which is determined by whether or not your diving requires=20
gloves,<BR></FONT>They have already figured this out also, except =
Brass will=20
do at less cost, they dive cold water so they knew about the size for =
the=20
gloves LONG before he did. <BR><FONT face=3D"Arial Black, =
Helvetica">and those=20
are attached by a piece of 1/4" line run under a hose clamp<BR>halfway =
down=20
the tank and tied to the neck. The upper clip should be<BR>tight to =
the break=20
of the neck, the lower clip should have plenty of<BR>tail to work =
with. The=20
bottle needs to be held close in the front and<BR>lose in the back to =
prevent=20
drag. There should NEVER be any metal to<BR>metal connections of any =
part of=20
your rig.<BR></FONT>This is something they would not know or =
understand,=20
UNLESS you have scootered with stages and
without.<BR><BR><BR><FONT=20
face=3D"Arial Black, Helvetica">Stages need to be permanently marked =
as to their=20
maximum operating<BR>depth in three inch high letters placed =
horizontally in=20
the orientation<BR>of the tank on either side so that the diver can =
see what=20
he is<BR>breathing, and so can his buddy, no mater where the tank is. =
The=20
stage<BR>reg is rigged with a short pressure gauge which is bent back =
on=20
itself<BR>to face the diver and held in place by bungee cord at the =
first=20
stage,<BR>The reg hose must be the octopus length. The stage regs are=20
always<BR>parked on the bottle and the bottle turned off unless in =
use. Stages=20
are<BR>generally worn on the left side for streamlining, and because =
of=20
the<BR>position and balance of the rest of the gear and the other =
hoses so=20
as<BR>not to interfere with the operation of any other gear, as well =
as=20
the<BR>scooter , which is driven with the right hand, favoring the =
right=20
side.<BR></FONT>Is this the best reasons you can write about for =
marking=20
stages? A lot of the divers dive SOLO like it or not, so that buddy =
stuff is a=20
waste to them.Also don't hold your breath, while your waiting for =
everyone to=20
start buddy diving , deal with what their doing now. Breathing =
correct=20
gas is good, easy to see what your breathing.<BR><BR><FONT=20
face=3D"Arial Black, Helvetica">To deploy a stage, we look for the =
correct depth=20
marking, we put the<BR>reg around our neck, we then turn on the bottle =
, put=20
the reg in our<BR>mouth, and if we can breath, we are breathing the =
correct=20
gas. It is<BR>just that simple. No other convolutions are necessary, =
and would=20
only add<BR>to the chance for error. <BR></FONT>Yes it is very
simple, =
but you=20
need to put it out so they can understand it and why they should do =
it.<BR>The=20
3" marking work very well for our group here, for the very deep dives =
I like=20
to have my stages delivered to me, my name and MOD are on them , it =
also puts=20
the support diver with me to make sure everything is OK. <BR>Should I =
need=20
extra gas I need only point to the markings and the support diver can =
go to=20
the boat and any bottle will do as they are all mark with 3"MOD just =
get one=20
that matches what I need. This can be done on any dive, if a diver is =
low on=20
needed gas all he has to do is point to the MOD and his name, that way =
we know=20
who is in trouble. Also makes it is easy for the crew to locate extra =
gas for=20
him if everyone is marking their tanks the same way, it is not a CF =
trying to=20
read those little bullshit tags that fall off. <BR>Phi Le<BR>I will =
only=20
answer one of those bullshit questions below.<BR><BR><BR>At 04:07 PM
=
8/14/00=20
+0200, Phi Le wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite" cite>JT,<BR><BR>So you feel there is an =
issue that=20
people might be mistaken for a stage<BR>marked for 60 ft as EAN60. =
That's a=20
possibility...<BR><BR>But why would the Capt and other divers be =
worrying=20
about *my* stages ?</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>BECAUSE WE
CARE!<BR><BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite" cite>Obviously I will be diving with my =
buddies who=20
would know what the markings<BR>mean. The stage(s) will be with me =
u/w so no=20
one will breath it without my<BR>knowledge.<BR><BR>If someone
wants =
to use=20
them in case of an emergency on the boat, the oxygen<BR>deco stage =
is=20
clearly marked "Oxygen" and the rest has the content =
analysis<BR>tape at the=20
neck.<BR><BR>Am I still missing something =
?<BR><BR>-Phi<BR><BR>-----Original=20
Message-----<BR>From: Capt JT [<A =
href=3D"mailto:captjt@mi*.co*"=20
eudora=3D"autourl">mailto:captjt@mi*.co*</A>]<BR>Sent: =
Monday, August=20
14, 2000 3:32 PM<BR>To: Phi Le<BR>Cc: =
techdiver@aquanaut.com<BR>Subject: RE:=20
re vb tech report<BR><BR><BR>There is no better system than what
the =
WKPP=20
use at this time, but as a<BR>Capt and diver on boats that carry =
numerous=20
divers on trips who have no<BR>idea what the markings mean, I have =
added=20
FT(=3D feet) to my stages so there<BR>is no confusion on their =
part.<BR>If one=20
does not like the FT he can simply cover it up with the =
rubber<BR>intertube=20
as JJ did to my tanks he used when they were here.<BR><BR>I will =
make a=20
detailed list of why making stages in the 3" MOD works for =
us<BR>here and=20
why NE wreck divers should follow suit in a later =
post.<BR><BR> =20
At 01:44 PM 8/14/00 +0200, you wrote:<BR>>From: Capt JT=20
<captjt@mi*.co*><BR>><snip><BR>>The 2 big =
things we=20
do not agree on are:<BR>> >2) Reasons why you mark=20
stages...<BR>><snip><BR>><BR>>JT,<BR>><BR>>W
hy =
do you=20
disagree with it ?<BR>><BR>>And since you are marking stages=20
differently, you must feel that your way<BR>is<BR>>better. Could =
you=20
elaborate on your *better* system=20
?<BR>><BR>>-Phi</BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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