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JT, tell me there is no other bullshit you have up your sleeve - I =
refuse to believe it. I came up with this system from wreck diving , not =
cave diving.=20
For the WKPP, I started out in our Standards and Procedures with a rule =
that "no gas can be carried beyond its depth without permission from the =
Project Engineer ( Bill Gavin, now Bill Mee) and the Project Director ( =
me).=20
While that rule still stands, the only difference is that I will NEVER =
give permission since only a deco weenie or a moron who does not =
understand deco , or a misfit who should not be diving, would want to do =
such a thing ( to try to "save" deco).
Since I am first an ocean diver, I added the mixing, marking and =
deployment rules to cover wreck, and those suffice for cave since we can =
put the bottles down as well. We still have to go through the same =
routine since you could put the wrong bottle in at the wrong depth ( or =
the support divers could , or it could be totally silted out ) just as =
easily as you could reach for the wrong bottle on your person.
Bullshitting and fucking up and confusing my system may make you feel =
better since you resent me so badly, but you are doing everyone a =
disservice with this petty nonsense.
Everyone need to go to the WKPP.org website and read my article on how =
and why in the "gear" section, and then if anyone finds a flaw in that =
logic, I kiss their ass Macy's window.
I am never going to be nice about this or be nice to idiots like the NE =
wreck divers who have killed so many people, so get over your petty crap =
and wake the fuck up.
-----Original Message-----
From: Capt JT <captjt@mi*.co*>
To: Trey <trey@ne*.co*>; Phi Le <phi@sk*.be*>
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Date: Monday, August 14, 2000 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: re vb tech report
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At 08:51 PM 8/14/00 -0400, Trey wrote:
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Jt, not the feet thing again - I thought you were going to pull =
some real bullshit. I'd like to know what feet has to do with wreck =
diving , and do not tell me it is because the dumb fucks up there don't =
mark their bottles so can not understand yours.
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OK so I won't tell you.
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The more crap you put on the bottle , the bigger than chance of =
a misread .
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I agree
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There is only one piece fo information that is necessary on that =
bottle when in use, and that is the MOD + FT. Go back and read our gas =
mixing rules, our transport rules, our marking rules and our deployment =
rules to see how the entire system works.=20
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I'm glad we agree ;-)
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Piecemeal compromising bullshit does not work and leads to a =
screwup.=20
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You once told me I was not an "idiot", Piecemeal is how I got to =
where I am now and I have not had a screwup yet, though it may still =
happen, there is always 'Murphy's Law" you know!
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See the WKPP.org website for a FULLl explanation.
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I don't need that, I have you ;-)
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JT
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Phi Le
I have no beef with you, you may find it hard to believe =
that I actually care what happens to the people that dive with me, after =
being on 3 trips that divers lost their life on, it makes me very =
cautious with what goes on during the predive and dive. Ok, so there was =
2 questions if you want to count that last one, the answer is Yes. ;-)
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JT
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At 01:48 AM 8/15/00 +0200, Phi Le wrote:
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JT,
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I don't know you nor MHK, and don't care if either of =
you guys use alu 80. The people I dive with don't use alu 80 as stages =
in the ocean. When I am visiting Florida, I use 2 X alu 40 for 50% and =
O2. At home (Europe or Asia), I use 2 X alu 7L. And that's more than =
enough for down to 300 ft.
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Ask George if he uses alu 80 for the ocean dives!
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I wasn't stabbing at you. I didn't understand why any =
Capt or divers (not my buddies) would care how I mark my stages or what =
gas I have in my tanks (providing I don't do deep air, etc.). I don't =
dive with them eventhough we go out on the same boat since I would have =
my buddies. And if they need to grab a bottle in case of emergency, the =
content is marked by tape at the tank neck.
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So basically, I was only disagreeing with your reasoning =
for the need to add "FT" after the MOD.
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That's not some DIR party-lines, JT. It's just common =
sense! And stop been so damn defensive, not everybody is looking to =
flame other people.
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I re-read mine, and there were actually 2 questions :-)
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-Phi
-----Original Message-----=20
From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]=20
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 1:33 AM=20
To: Phi Le=20
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com=20
Subject: RE: re vb tech report
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Phi Le=20
You are correct, after rereading it, I sounded =
just like "George", forgive my poor taste in words.
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Hint: nobody is diving 80cf aluminum stages in =
the ocean so you are barking up the wrong tree there. The rest of the =
post is too stupid to read.=20
Hint: you better go look at some of the photos =
on my site you will see MHK and Myself using alum 80's and read below =
the email from George where he directs the NE divers to go look, it is =
the same thing I posted.=20
BTW, I took your question as a stab at me, =
reread yours and will see you only ask one real question, the rest was =
standard DIR answers, statements no questions at all.=20
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At 03:15 PM 8/10/00 -0400, Trey wrote:=20
JJ, my opin. is that XXXXXXXXX needs to go to=20
http://www.wkpp.org and read my DIR =
configuration=20
article under "Equipment" and then explain that =
to=20
XXXXX and the others. This in cludes our bottle=20
marking scheme which is at the heart of gas =
diving.=20
We can not have an intelligent discussion until =
that=20
effort is made, and we can not expect XXXXXXX or =
anyone else to think that wearing some wing or =
some=20
bottle on some side means anything without this=20
explanation.
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At 12:12 AM 8/15/00 +0200, Phi Le wrote:=20
JT,=20
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First of all, you complaint about George's =
delivery style and you called my questions "bullshit" ?=20
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You claimed to do something better (stage =
marking) and I was sincerely interested in finding out. You gave an =
answer which I felt was probable, but not worth the trouble to adopt =
(mark FT after the MOD). So I asked for clarity and you pulled the "WKPP =
wannabees"-bullshit.=20
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Why do you think that anyone want to sniff =
anyone else's butt ? People are on this list to exchange information. So =
if you have nothing to share, then STFU, stop pretending like you do and =
waste everybody's time. I don't have time to trade insults with you.=20
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Just re-read your posting below and ask =
somebody to explain DIR to you, you have no clue of what you are trying =
to slam.=20
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Hint: nobody is diving 80cf aluminum stages =
in the ocean so you are barking up the wrong tree there. The rest of the =
post is too stupid to read.=20
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-Phi=20
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-----Original Message-----=20
From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*] =
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 10:13 PM=20
To: Phi Le=20
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com=20
Subject: RE: re vb tech report=20
Below in BOLD is the section about stages =
written by George Irvine and is still on the WKPP org. web site in the =
equipment section. Since most NE wreckers have turned their back on =
techdiver due to GI tactics, the only source of information they can get =
without being pounded "WKPP wanna bees" is this site or others who are =
doing nothing more than sniffing GI butt with this same copied info.=20
Stages should be aluminum 80's.=20
Right off the bat they can see that GI is =
off his rocker, he has already told everyone not to change any of his =
system, they already know that it is much easier to carry a 45 steel =
stage than an eighty on a wreck dive. Alum 40's are better for wreck =
dives, easier to manage, but he does not say that in this on the site.=20
These swing equally from negative to=20
positive with air, less negative with gas, =
by the amount of the air or=20
gas carried. They are rigged with stainless =
steel bolt snaps, the size=20
of which is determined by whether or not =
your diving requires gloves,=20
They have already figured this out also, =
except Brass will do at less cost, they dive cold water so they knew =
about the size for the gloves LONG before he did.=20
and those are attached by a piece of 1/4" =
line run under a hose clamp=20
halfway down the tank and tied to the neck. =
The upper clip should be=20
tight to the break of the neck, the lower =
clip should have plenty of=20
tail to work with. The bottle needs to be =
held close in the front and=20
lose in the back to prevent drag. There =
should NEVER be any metal to=20
metal connections of any part of your rig.=20
This is something they would not know or =
understand, UNLESS you have scootered with stages and without.
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Stages need to be permanently marked as to =
their maximum operating=20
depth in three inch high letters placed =
horizontally in the orientation=20
of the tank on either side so that the diver =
can see what he is=20
breathing, and so can his buddy, no mater =
where the tank is. The stage=20
reg is rigged with a short pressure gauge =
which is bent back on itself=20
to face the diver and held in place by =
bungee cord at the first stage,=20
The reg hose must be the octopus length. The =
stage regs are always=20
parked on the bottle and the bottle turned =
off unless in use. Stages are=20
generally worn on the left side for =
streamlining, and because of the=20
position and balance of the rest of the gear =
and the other hoses so as=20
not to interfere with the operation of any =
other gear, as well as the=20
scooter , which is driven with the right =
hand, favoring the right side.=20
Is this the best reasons you can write about =
for marking stages? A lot of the divers dive SOLO like it or not, so =
that buddy stuff is a waste to them.Also don't hold your breath, while =
your waiting for everyone to start buddy diving , deal with what their =
doing now. Breathing correct gas is good, easy to see what your =
breathing.=20
To deploy a stage, we look for the correct =
depth marking, we put the=20
reg around our neck, we then turn on the =
bottle , put the reg in our=20
mouth, and if we can breath, we are =
breathing the correct gas. It is=20
just that simple. No other convolutions are =
necessary, and would only add=20
to the chance for error.=20
Yes it is very simple, but you need to put =
it out so they can understand it and why they should do it.=20
The 3" marking work very well for our group =
here, for the very deep dives I like to have my stages delivered to me, =
my name and MOD are on them , it also puts the support diver with me to =
make sure everything is OK.=20
Should I need extra gas I need only point to =
the markings and the support diver can go to the boat and any bottle =
will do as they are all mark with 3"MOD just get one that matches what I =
need. This can be done on any dive, if a diver is low on needed gas all =
he has to do is point to the MOD and his name, that way we know who is =
in trouble. Also makes it is easy for the crew to locate extra gas for =
him if everyone is marking their tanks the same way, it is not a CF =
trying to read those little bullshit tags that fall off.=20
Phi Le=20
I will only answer one of those bullshit =
questions below.
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At 04:07 PM 8/14/00 +0200, Phi Le wrote:=20
JT,
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So you feel there is an issue that =
people might be mistaken for a stage=20
marked for 60 ft as EAN60. That's a =
possibility...
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But why would the Capt and other divers =
be worrying about *my* stages ?
BECAUSE WE CARE!
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Obviously I will be diving with my =
buddies who would know what the markings=20
mean. The stage(s) will be with me u/w =
so no one will breath it without my=20
knowledge.
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If someone wants to use them in case of =
an emergency on the boat, the oxygen=20
deco stage is clearly marked "Oxygen" =
and the rest has the content analysis=20
tape at the neck.
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Am I still missing something ?
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-Phi
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-----Original Message-----=20
From: Capt JT =
[mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]=20
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 3:32 PM=20
To: Phi Le=20
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com=20
Subject: RE: re vb tech report
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There is no better system than what the =
WKPP use at this time, but as a=20
Capt and diver on boats that carry =
numerous divers on trips who have no=20
idea what the markings mean, I have =
added FT(=3D feet) to my stages so there=20
is no confusion on their part.=20
If one does not like the FT he can =
simply cover it up with the rubber=20
intertube as JJ did to my tanks he used =
when they were here.
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I will make a detailed list of why =
making stages in the 3" MOD works for us=20
here and why NE wreck divers should =
follow suit in a later post.
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At 01:44 PM 8/14/00 +0200, you wrote:=20
>From: Capt JT <captjt@mi*.co*>=20
><snip>=20
>The 2 big things we do not agree on =
are:=20
> >2) Reasons why you mark stages...=20
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>JT,=20
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>Why do you disagree with it ?=20
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>And since you are marking stages =
differently, you must feel that your way=20
is=20
>better. Could you elaborate on your =
*better* system ?=20
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>-Phi
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"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later =
you have to get in the water"
Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East =
Coast & more
Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/
Email captjt@mi*.co*
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"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you =
have to get in the water"
Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & =
more
Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/
Email captjt@mi*.co*
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"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to =
get in the water"
Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more
Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/
Email captjt@mi*.co*
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>JT, tell me there is no other =
bullshit you have=20
up your sleeve - I refuse to believe it. I came up with this system from =
wreck=20
diving , not cave diving. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>For the WKPP, I started out in our Standards and =
Procedures=20
with a rule that "no gas can be carried beyond its depth without =
permission=20
from the Project Engineer ( Bill Gavin, now Bill Mee) and the Project =
Director (=20
me). </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>While that rule still stands, the only difference is =
that I=20
will NEVER give permission since only a deco weenie or a moron who does =
not=20
understand deco , or a misfit who should not be diving, would want to do =
such a=20
thing ( to try to "save" deco).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Since I am first an ocean diver, I =
added the=20
mixing, marking and deployment rules to cover wreck, and those suffice =
for cave=20
since we can put the bottles down as well. We still have to go through =
the same=20
routine since you could put the wrong bottle in at the wrong depth ( or =
the=20
support divers could , or it could be totally silted out ) just as =
easily as you=20
could reach for the wrong bottle on your person.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Bullshitting and fucking up and confusing my system =
may make=20
you feel better since you resent me so badly, but you are doing everyone =
a=20
disservice with this petty nonsense.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Everyone need to go to the WKPP.org =
website and=20
read my article on how and why in the "gear" section, and then =
if=20
anyone finds a flaw in that logic, I kiss their ass Macy's =
window.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I am never going to be nice about this or be nice to =
idiots=20
like the NE wreck divers who have killed so many people, so get over =
your petty=20
crap and wake the fuck up.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: =
5px">
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><B>-----Original =
Message-----</B><BR><B>From:=20
</B>Capt JT <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:captjt@mi*.co*">captjt@mindspring.com</A>><BR><B=
>To:=20
</B>Trey <<A =
href=3D"mailto:trey@ne*.co*">trey@netdor.com</A>>; Phi=20
Le <<A =
href=3D"mailto:phi@sk*.be*">phi@skynet.be</A>><BR><B>Cc:
</B><A=20
href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com">techdiver@aquanaut.com</A> =
<<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com">techdiver@aquanaut.com</A>><BR>=
<B>Date:=20
</B>Monday, August 14, 2000 9:18 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: re
vb =
tech=20
report<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>At 08:51 PM 8/14/00 -0400, Trey =
wrote:<BR><FONT=20
size=3D2>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite type =3D cite>Jt, not the feet thing again - I =
thought=20
you were going to pull some real bullshit. I'd like to know what =
feet=20
has to do with wreck diving , and do not tell me it is because =
the dumb=20
fucks up there don't mark their bottles so can not understand=20
yours.</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>OK so I won't tell
you.<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite type =3D cite><BR><FONT face=3Darial size=3D2>The
=
more crap=20
you put on the bottle , the bigger than chance of a misread=20
.</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I agree<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite type =3D cite><BR><FONT face=3Darial
size=3D2>There =
is only=20
one piece fo information that is necessary on that bottle when =
in use,=20
and that is the MOD + FT. Go back and read our gas mixing rules, =
our=20
transport rules, our marking rules and our deployment rules to =
see how=20
the entire system works. </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I'm glad we =
agree=20
;-)<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite type =3D cite><BR><FONT face=3Darial =
size=3D2>Piecemeal=20
compromising bullshit does not work and leads to a screwup.=20
</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>You once told me I was not an =
"idiot",=20
Piecemeal is how I got to where I am now and I have not had a =
screwup yet,=20
though it may still happen, there is always 'Murphy's Law" you=20
know!<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite type =3D cite><BR><FONT face=3Darial size=3D2>See
=
the=20
WKPP.org website for a FULLl =
explanation.</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I don't=20
need that, I have you ;-)<BR><BR>JT<BR><BR><BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite type =3D cite><BR><FONT face=3Darial=20
size=3D2> <BR><BR></FONT>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite type =3D cite>Phi Le<BR>I have no beef with =
you, you=20
may find it hard to believe that I actually care what =
happens to the=20
people that dive with me, after being on 3 trips that divers =
lost=20
their life on, it makes me very cautious with what =
goes on=20
during the predive and dive. Ok, so there was 2 questions if =
you=20
want to count that last one, the answer is Yes.=20
;-)<BR><BR>JT<BR><BR> At 01:48 AM 8/15/00
+0200, =
Phi Le=20
wrote:<BR><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3Darial size=3D2>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite type =3D cite>JT,</FONT><BR><BR>I
don't =
know you=20
nor MHK, and don't care if either of you guys use alu =
80. The=20
people I dive with don't use alu 80 as stages in the =
ocean. When=20
I am visiting Florida, I use 2 X alu 40 for 50% and O2. =
At home=20
(Europe or Asia), I use 2 X alu 7L. And that's more than =
enough=20
for down to 300 ft.<BR><BR>Ask George if he uses alu 80 =
for the=20
ocean dives!<BR><BR>I wasn't stabbing at you. I didn't=20
understand why any Capt or divers (not my buddies) would =
care=20
how I mark my stages or what gas I have in my tanks =
(providing I=20
don't do deep air, etc.). I don't dive with them =
eventhough we=20
go out on the same boat since I would have my buddies. =
And if=20
they need to grab a bottle in case of emergency, the =
content is=20
marked by tape at the tank neck.<BR><BR>So basically, I =
was only=20
disagreeing with your reasoning for the need to add=20
"FT" after the MOD.<BR><BR>That's not some DIR =
party-lines, JT. It's just common sense! And stop been =
so damn=20
defensive, not everybody is looking to flame other=20
people.<BR><BR>I re-read mine, and there were actually 2 =
questions :-)<BR><BR>-Phi
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<DL>
<DD>-----Original Message-----=20
<DD>From: Capt JT [<A=20
href=3D"mailto:captjt@mi*.co*" eudora =3D =
autourl>mailto:captjt@mi*.co*</A>]=20
<DD>Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 1:33 AM=20
<DD>To: Phi Le=20
<DD>Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com=20
<DD>Subject: RE: re vb tech =
report<BR><BR></FONT>
<DD>Phi Le=20
<DD> You are correct, after rereading it, I =
sounded=20
just like "George", forgive my poor =
taste in=20
words.<BR><BR><FONT color=3D#0000ff
face=3Darial =
size=3D2>
<DD>Hint: nobody is diving 80cf aluminum stages =
in the=20
ocean so you are barking up the wrong tree =
there. The=20
rest of the post is too stupid to read.</FONT>=20
<DD>Hint: you better go look at some of the =
photos on my=20
site you will see MHK and Myself using alum 80's =
and=20
read below the email from George where he =
directs=20
the NE divers to go look, it is the same thing I =
posted.=20
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<DD>BTW, I took your question as a stab at me, =
reread=20
yours and will see you only ask one real =
question, the=20
rest was standard DIR answers, statements no =
questions=20
at all.=20
<DD> <BR><BR>
<DD>At 03:15 PM 8/10/00 -0400, Trey wrote:=20
<DD>JJ, my opin. is that XXXXXXXXX needs to go =
to<FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff>=20
<DD><A href=3D"http://www.wkpp.org/" eudora =3D=20
autourl>http://www.wkpp.org</A></FONT> and read =
my DIR=20
configuration=20
<DD>article under "Equipment" and then =
explain=20
that to=20
<DD>XXXXX and the others. This in cludes our =
bottle=20
<DD>marking scheme which is at the heart of gas =
diving.=20
<DD>We can not have an intelligent discussion =
until that=20
=20
<DD>effort is made, and we can not expect =
XXXXXXX or=20
<DD>anyone else to think that wearing some wing =
or some=20
<DD>bottle on some side means anything without =
this=20
<DD>explanation.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DD> At 12:12 AM 8/15/00 +0200, Phi Le =
wrote:<FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff face=3Darial size=3D2>=20
<BLOCKQUOTE cite type =3D cite>
<DD>JT,</FONT>=20
<DD> <FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3Darial =
size=3D2>=20
<DD>First of all, you complaint about =
George's=20
delivery style and you called my questions=20
"bullshit" ? </FONT>
<DD> <FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3Darial =
size=3D2>=20
<DD>You claimed to do something better =
(stage=20
marking) and I was sincerely interested in =
finding=20
out. You gave an answer which I felt was =
probable,=20
but not worth the trouble to adopt (mark FT =
after=20
the MOD). So I asked for clarity and you =
pulled the=20
"WKPP wannabees"-bullshit.</FONT>=20
<DD> <FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3Darial =
size=3D2>=20
<DD>Why do you think that anyone want to =
sniff=20
anyone else's butt ? People are on this list =
to=20
exchange information. So if you have nothing =
to=20
share, then STFU, stop pretending like you =
do and=20
waste everybody's time. I don't have time to =
trade=20
insults with you.</FONT>=20
<DD> <FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3Darial =
size=3D2>=20
<DD>Just re-read your posting below and ask =
somebody=20
to explain DIR to you, you have no clue of =
what you=20
are trying to slam.</FONT>=20
<DD> <FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3Darial =
size=3D2>=20
<DD>Hint: nobody is diving 80cf aluminum =
stages in=20
the ocean so you are barking up the wrong =
tree=20
there. The rest of the post is too stupid to =
read.</FONT>=20
<DD> <FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3Darial =
size=3D2>=20
<DD>-Phi</FONT>=20
<DD> <FONT face=3Dtahoma size=3D2>=20
<DD> -----Original Message-----=20
<DD>From: Capt JT =
[mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]=20
<DD>Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 10:13 PM=20
<DD>To: Phi Le=20
<DD>Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com=20
<DD>Subject: RE: re vb tech report</FONT>=20
<DD>Below in BOLD is the section about =
stages=20
written by George Irvine and is still on the =
WKPP=20
org. web site in the equipment section. =
Since most=20
NE wreckers have turned their back on =
techdiver due=20
to GI tactics, the only source of =
information they=20
can get without being pounded "WKPP =
wanna=20
bees" is this site or others who are =
doing=20
nothing more than sniffing GI butt with this =
same=20
copied info.<FONT face=3D"Arial Black, =
Helvetica">=20
<DD>Stages should be aluminum 80's.</FONT>=20
<DD>Right off the bat they can see that GI =
is off=20
his rocker, he has already told everyone not =
to=20
change any of his system, they already know =
that it=20
is much easier to carry a 45 steel stage =
than an=20
eighty on a wreck dive. Alum 40's are better =
for=20
wreck dives, easier to manage, but he does =
not say=20
that in this on the site.<FONT=20
face=3D"Arial Black, Helvetica">=20
<DD> These swing equally from negative =
to=20
<DD>positive with air, less negative with =
gas, by=20
the amount of the air or=20
<DD>gas carried. They are rigged with =
stainless=20
steel bolt snaps, the size=20
<DD>of which is determined by whether or not =
your=20
diving requires gloves,</FONT>=20
<DD>They have already figured this out also, =
except=20
Brass will do at less cost, they dive cold =
water so=20
they knew about the size for the gloves LONG =
before=20
he did. <FONT face=3D"Arial Black, =
Helvetica">
<DD>and those are attached by a piece of =
1/4"=20
line run under a hose clamp=20
<DD>halfway down the tank and tied to the =
neck. The=20
upper clip should be=20
<DD>tight to the break of the neck, the =
lower clip=20
should have plenty of=20
<DD>tail to work with. The bottle needs to =
be held=20
close in the front and=20
<DD>lose in the back to prevent drag. There =
should=20
NEVER be any metal to=20
<DD>metal connections of any part of your=20
rig.</FONT>=20
<DD>This is something they would not know or =
understand, UNLESS you have scootered with =
stages=20
and=20
=
without.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>&l
t;FONT=20
face=3D"Arial Black, Helvetica">
<DD>Stages need to be permanently marked as =
to their=20
maximum operating=20
<DD>depth in three inch high letters placed=20
horizontally in the orientation=20
<DD>of the tank on either side so that the =
diver can=20
see what he is=20
<DD>breathing, and so can his buddy, no =
mater where=20
the tank is. The stage=20
<DD>reg is rigged with a short pressure =
gauge which=20
is bent back on itself=20
<DD>to face the diver and held in place by =
bungee=20
cord at the first stage,=20
<DD>The reg hose must be the octopus length. =
The=20
stage regs are always=20
<DD>parked on the bottle and the bottle =
turned off=20
unless in use. Stages are=20
<DD>generally worn on the left side for=20
streamlining, and because of the=20
<DD>position and balance of the rest of the =
gear and=20
the other hoses so as=20
<DD>not to interfere with the operation of =
any other=20
gear, as well as the=20
<DD>scooter , which is driven with the right =
hand,=20
favoring the right side.</FONT>=20
<DD>Is this the best reasons you can write =
about for=20
marking stages? A lot of the divers dive =
SOLO like=20
it or not, so that buddy stuff is a waste to =
them.Also don't hold your breath, while your =
waiting=20
for everyone to start buddy diving , =
deal with=20
what their doing now. Breathing correct gas =
is good,=20
easy to see what your breathing.<FONT=20
face=3D"Arial Black, Helvetica">=20
<DD>To deploy a stage, we look for the =
correct depth=20
marking, we put the=20
<DD>reg around our neck, we then turn on the =
bottle=20
, put the reg in our=20
<DD>mouth, and if we can breath, we are =
breathing=20
the correct gas. It is=20
<DD>just that simple. No other convolutions =
are=20
necessary, and would only add=20
<DD>to the chance for error. </FONT>
<DD>Yes it is very simple, but you need to =
put it=20
out so they can understand it and why they =
should do=20
it.=20
<DD>The 3" marking work very well for =
our group=20
here, for the very deep dives I like to have =
my=20
stages delivered to me, my name and MOD are =
on them=20
, it also puts the support diver with me to =
make=20
sure everything is OK.=20
<DD>Should I need extra gas I need only =
point to the=20
markings and the support diver can go to the =
boat=20
and any bottle will do as they are all mark =
with=20
3"MOD just get one that matches what I =
need.=20
This can be done on any dive, if a diver is =
low on=20
needed gas all he has to do is point to the =
MOD and=20
his name, that way we know who is in =
trouble. Also=20
makes it is easy for the crew to locate =
extra gas=20
for him if everyone is marking their tanks =
the same=20
way, it is not a CF trying to read those =
little=20
bullshit tags that fall off.=20
<DD>Phi Le=20
<DD>I will only answer one of those bullshit =
questions=20
=
below.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DD>At 04:07 PM 8/14/00 +0200, Phi Le wrote: =
<BLOCKQUOTE cite type =3D cite>
<DD>JT,<BR><BR>
<DD>So you feel there is an issue that =
people=20
might be mistaken for a stage=20
<DD>marked for 60 ft as EAN60. That's a=20
possibility...<BR><BR>
<DD>But why would the Capt and other =
divers be=20
worrying about *my* stages =
?</DD></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DD>BECAUSE WE=20
=
CARE!<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite type =3D cite>
<DD>Obviously I will be diving with my =
buddies=20
who would know what the markings=20
<DD>mean. The stage(s) will be with me =
u/w so no=20
one will breath it without my=20
<DD>knowledge.<BR><BR>
<DD>If someone wants to use them in case =
of an=20
emergency on the boat, the oxygen=20
<DD>deco stage is clearly marked=20
"Oxygen" and the rest has the =
content=20
analysis=20
<DD>tape at the neck.<BR><BR>
<DD>Am I still missing something =
?<BR><BR>
<DD>-Phi<BR><BR>
<DD>-----Original Message-----=20
<DD>From: Capt JT [<A=20
href=3D"mailto:captjt@mi*.co*" =
eudora =3D=20
=
autourl>mailto:captjt@mi*.co*</A>]=20
<DD>Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 3:32 =
PM=20
<DD>To: Phi Le=20
<DD>Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com=20
<DD>Subject: RE: re vb tech=20
=
report<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DD>There is no better system than what =
the WKPP=20
use at this time, but as a=20
<DD>Capt and diver on boats that carry =
numerous=20
divers on trips who have no=20
<DD>idea what the markings mean, I have =
added=20
FT(=3D feet) to my stages so there=20
<DD>is no confusion on their part.=20
<DD>If one does not like the FT he can =
simply=20
cover it up with the rubber=20
<DD>intertube as JJ did to my tanks he =
used when=20
they were here.<BR><BR>
<DD>I will make a detailed list of why =
making=20
stages in the 3" MOD works for us=20
<DD>here and why NE wreck divers should =
follow=20
suit in a later post.<BR><BR>
<DD> At 01:44 PM 8/14/00 +0200, =
you wrote:=20
=20
<DD>>From: Capt JT=20
<captjt@mi*.co*>=20
<DD>><snip>=20
<DD>>The 2 big things we do not agree =
on are:=20
=20
<DD>> >2) Reasons why you mark =
stages...=20
<DD>><snip>=20
<DD>>=20
<DD>>JT,=20
<DD>>=20
<DD>>Why do you disagree with it ?=20
<DD>>=20
<DD>>And since you are marking stages =
differently, you must feel that your way =
<DD>is=20
<DD>>better. Could you elaborate on =
your=20
*better* system ?=20
<DD>>=20
=
<DD>>-Phi</DD></BLOCKQUOTE></DD></BLOCKQUOTE></DD></DL>&
lt;BR><BR>"Y=
ou=20
can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you =
have to=20
get in the water"<BR><FONT color=3D#0000ff>Your =
Guide to=20
Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast &=20
more<BR> Web Site <A=20
href=3D"http://www.capt-jt.com/" eudora =3D=20
=
autourl>http://www.capt-jt.com/</A><BR>Email =20
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captjt@mi*.co*</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>"You can't=20
learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to =
get in the=20
water"<BR><FONT color=3D#0000ff>Your Guide to Great =
Wreck=20
Diving along the East Coast & more<BR> Web =
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=
autourl>http://www.capt-jt.com/</A><BR>Email =20
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captjt@mi*.co*<BR></FONT></U></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>&qu
ot;Y=
ou=20
can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get =
in the=20
water"<BR><FONT color=3D#0000ff><U>Your Guide to Great =
Wreck Diving=20
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