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Jess:
My reason for god knows how many times many people have stated since
starting this thread started is that in the event my bottom timer
malfunctions, falls off my arm, is eaten by a shark, exploded in the
chenorbyl blast etc., etc.. I personally have a back up to use if I'm still
alive. I do not find it to be a piece of gear that is cumbersome. I do
subscribe to DIR philosophy, and I dive with buddies and haven't (thank God)
lost them yet or they lost me or ever had to rely solely on my back up
bottom timer, but I have one with me if I do.
I want to look at my very own bottom timer, if possible. I
personally would not want to do a long drifting deco having to look at my
buddy's bottom timer if I don't have to. Plus I get bored on deco and amuse
myself watching the minutes go by on those long stops when I'm free floating
off the Monitor in a swift current.
I respect anyone's decision who chooses to not wear a back up bottom
timer. And I think your side has been well represented on this list. There
are two sides to most things in life and, for me, this is one of them and
not an absolute. I understand that you and others represent a viewpoint
that it is an absolute mistake to ever wear a second bottom timer. I
disagree. It does not mean I disagree with ALL DIR philosophy, because I don't.
Have fun on your east coast trip. Those dives are fun, challenging and you
gets lots of goodies. Who are you diving with? Come dive with us on the
OZARK out of Navarre or come dive the La. oil rigs. If my having a second
bottom timer is your main issue bring your own buddies along. I'm sure I
could learn things from you because, despite statements to the contrary, I
do keep an open mind to learning, and I would enjoy the experience
susan
>and for the third and final time, I will ask you to defend your position
>that a second depth gauge/bottom timer is required, apparently more so in
>the ocean than in a cave.
>
>all of my serious wreck dives have been on the east coast.
>
>I will be doing some more within a month or so...care to show me how it is
>done?
>
>Jess
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: susan m. innes <premier@ma*.ac*.ne*>
>To: Jess Armantrout <armantrout@wo*.at*.ne*>
>Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 3:22 PM
>Subject: Re: Redundant Equipment and Holgarth
>
>
>>>If my bottom timer fails, I do not die. If my lights fail, the odds are
>>>pretty good I die. In Wakulla, if just my primary fails AND I lose my
>>>buddy, I probably die.
>>>
>>>Again, defend your position. Why do you need the 2nd depth gauge? Will
>you
>>>die without it? Will you get bent without it?
>>
>>Again as I said if one is in a cave DIR is appropriate.
>>Different ball game in the ocean.
>>
>>
>>
>>>Why is ocean different than cave? You obviously have never done any
>serious
>>>cave. I feel much safer in the wide open ocean than in the confines of a
>>>cave. And I will bet I have done more serious ocean dives than you have
>so
>>>don't even go there.
>>
>>
>>What is a serious cave? 285' for 4 hrs. I agree.
>>But other than that are you saying multiple stage dives wherever are not???
>>I would like to take your bet with regard to serious ocean dives. I started
>>in 1979 how about you? How many east coast dives?
>>
>>>
>>>Jess
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: susan m. innes <premier@ma*.ac*.ne*>
>>>To: Jess Armantrout <armantrout@wo*.at*.ne*>
>>>Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>>>Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 2:07 PM
>>>Subject: Re: Redundant Equipment and Holgarth
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>How do you reply to his argument about backup lights?
>>>>I understand the DIR concept. I just believe that a backup BT does not
>>>>violate the holgarthian system. An open ocean deco dive is a totally
>>>>different from the protected recesses of a cave where I agree DIR makes
>>>sense.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>he has yet to offer a reason why he needs a second bottom timer that can
>>>not
>>>>>be accomplished with the gear I normally carry.
>>>>>
>>>>>Susan, you and he just don't get it. While this one piece of equipment
>>>may
>>>>>sound trivial to you, it is the attitude that is flawed. If you don't
>>>need
>>>>>it don't take it.
>>>>>
>>>>>Do you have a gas can sitting on the front seat of your car in case you
>>>run
>>>>>out? Then a fire extinguisher in case the gas catches fire?
>>>>>
>>>>>See what I'm saying?
>>>>>
>>>>>Trout
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: susan m. innes <premier@ma*.ac*.ne*>
>>>>>To: Jess Armantrout <armantrout@wo*.at*.ne*>
>>>>>Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 1:31 PM
>>>>>Subject: Re: Redundant Equipment and Holgarth
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I think bigvon@be* already has well defended this topic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>defend your way or find a flaw in mine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>From: susan m. innes <premier@ma*.ac*.ne*>
>>>>>>>To: Jess Armantrout <armantrout@wo*.at*.ne*>
>>>>>>>Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 1:22 PM
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: Redundant Equipment and Holgarth
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Who says what the better way is?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>One is a stroke when one hears of a better way of doing something and
>>>>>>>insists on
>>>>>>>>>doing it the old way.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Jess
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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