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hey paul do you think all the artifact are laying out on the wreck neatly marked so that anyone swimming by will see them? most of the stuff is buried, covered over with silt. finding & recovering them is a skill. most divers never see any of them & if they were looking right at it they would miss them. in our ares there are wrecks that are visited by thousands of divers a year. these wrecks are over 75 years old. there is nothing of archeological significance on any of them. so if i go inside a wreck to a spot no more than a few divers would even venture into & take an artifact for my pleasure & the pleasure of others that will get to see it due to my recovering it, then so be it. Your remark about the reasons I(i take your statement personal) collect artifacts as being bullshit is itself just that(bullshit). do you believe in archeology as being the PURE science. if you belive that then you are either blind ,stupid or just plain dumb. the archaeologists have been scamming the public with this crap for years. they get away with it because they have convinced the mindless ones that they are the only ones that should be entrusted with the "sacred duty". well how blind are you - why is it that so many of the high valued treasures from the tombs wound up in the PRIVATE HOMES of the people who were the contributors to the "digs" around the world. why is it that less than 10% of the finds are ever viewed by the public? How many pieces of eight does it take to have enough information to show how & where they were made? i could go on & on about the misuse of power that has always been in the hands of the wealthy that have pushed these views, but i am a realist. i know that they have the press & the government on there side & will probably win this battle . so for the time being any time i come across an artifact & it is legal for me to take it i will. when they stop me from doing it in one place i will go to another. i will never give my things to a Museum unless it was going to further the cause of diving & the understanding of the value of recovering artifacts. if you wish to call me names for my "vice" than go ahead. pillage on & on hank in a message dated 97-01-24 15:17:48 EST, you write: << Subj: Re: wreck diving tools Date: 97-01-24 15:17:48 EST From: paul@de*.de*.Co*.uk* (Paul Chapman) Reply-to: paul@de*.de*.Co*.uk* To: wreckdiver@wreckdiver.com In your message dated Wednesday 22, January 1997 you wrote : > ...the little crow bar can act as a chisel (ideal for doria shuffle > board numbers)... > ... having no tools and finding a nice porthole complete with > storm cover on the tarantula. You guys obviously do things a little differently over there, but I have to ask, why this urge to destroy? Don't try to kid me with the preservation nonsense, you don't save the tiger by having it stuffed & mounted in your den. I've seen the arguments...If I don't take it someone (some other asshole) will...We can display it for others to see (yeah, right on your mantlepiece)...I'll leave it to a museum when I die...If it's left it'll only rot away. All bullshit. What about the person who dives the wreck tomorrow or next week? What do they see? What natural habitats do you destroy with your crowbars and hammers? A wreck, like a cave or a reef has become a natural environment. Leave it to it's natural process. Enjoy it now for what it has to offer and leave it's future development for others to see. Go buy a porthole if it looks that good over your fire. YOU'VE seen it for real...YOU'VE been there...that's enough. When you dive a reef, why not snap off a bit of coral on the way past, after all the parrot fish will only get it eventually...and those speleothems are bound to get eroded sooner or later, on your next cave dive, just help yourselves. Regards --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Paul Chapman EMail: paul@de*.de*.co*.uk* | | Delta Systems Tel: +44 151 343 1546 | | Fax: +44 151 343 1514 | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Please send messages for the WreckDiver list to: wreckdiver@wreckdiver.com Send subscription and help requests to: wreckdiver-request@wreckdiver.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
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