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In general cave training involves more in water training than other 
technical diver training programs. However in a well designed tech 
course divers do become quite knowledgeable and complete quite a bit of 
skill training and equipment handling combined with equipment 
management. Real training is the diver practicing and using the skills 
taught in a program whether it is a cave or other technical course. In 
IANTD the skills in our full wreck and cave course are identical. The 
difference is that one gets more time in water and skill 
rehersal/development in the cave course. In my opnion the cave course 
is the most complete technical skill program available due to the in 
water time.

On the other hand the specific skills taught in a trimix course are of 
a different nature than cave training so guys apples are apples and 
oranges are oranges. Don't confuse them there are good oranges and good 
apples.

However good teck divers who practice their skills are equally as 
competent as divers in their specific environments, as good cave divers 
are in caves. The best divers are those who cross train and dive in 
both environments.
Tom
I have had highly experienced tek divers encounter problems when taking 
a cave course. I have seen highy experienced and well respected cave 
divers get in trouble in open water technical diving situtations, 
including having to be rescued.

Fact is one needs to prepare for all environments they are going to 
dive in. There really isn't a I'm a-- therfore I'm a better diver than 
you because you are a___ diver. Why can't you guys respect each other 
based on individual abilities. The dummies are and will remain the 
dummies and the sharp guys will remain the sharp guys regardless of 
which environment they dive in. Either place you need to be qualified 
in. 
You wrote: 
>
>In a message dated 95-10-13 05:29:38 EDT, you write:
>
>>If it's not Cavers vs. Tekkie's, it's Cavers Vs. Wreck Divers
>>or Cavers vs. The World. It doesn't matter, it appears from
>>all the noise that cave divers (the vocal ones) want to be
>>noticed and have people approve of them and think everything they
>>do is perfect,
>
>Some maybe but as a group they are some of the most organized in terms 
of
>learning from mistakes, training(check into what it takes to be 
aNSS-CDS cave
>instructor for example), and help in general.  Your stereotyping 
advertizes
>your complete lack of knowledge regarding cave diving,  and maybe 
diving in
>general.  What you put forth here is so bigoted and incomplete as to 
be at
>least untruthful.   It might be best to be quiet so you might learn
>something, rather than exclaiming your ignorance to the world.
>Bill Pilicer
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