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Maybe I came off against cavers somewhat. Let me backup a bit, I think that the cave divers training is great. From what I hear and read about the requirements for instructors and divers the system of training developed for cave diving should be emulated by the mainstream scuba agencies or AT LEAST the (dare I say it) Tech agencies (N2O2, Trimix, etc). I also think that the VOCAL MAJORITY of cave divers on this list are mouthy, whiney, brats. If they had something to add instead of flaming everyone that comes along this would be an enjoyable, informative list - as it was intended. That is also my opinion, and I welcome the chance for enlightenment, but I don't think anyone is going to change my mind by telling me bluntly how biggoted and ignorant I am. That the two groups quarrel, no one will deny. And all I stated was an observation, Bill. That cave divers are more vocal about how poorly everyone else dives is documented every day even here on Techdiver. If the biggest mouths on this net aren't cave divers then who are they? And yes there are quite a few wreck divers who get mouthy here as well, but most are cave divers. But I will add that I KNOW that the majority of cave divers are diving for the same reasons that I am, they enjoy diving. They don't dive so they can say how great they are and how stupid everyone is. They don't dive so they can say how deep they've gone or how far into a cave they've made it. They don't dive so the can show you all the gear they own or their perfect ways of wearing it. They dive because they like to dive. That's why I'm here. Again, and quite obviously, this is just my opinion. Mark Welzel /\/\/ SM>Some maybe but as a group they are some of the most organized in terms of SM>learning from mistakes, training(check into what it takes to be aNSS-CDS cave SM>instructor for example), and help in general. Your stereotyping advertizes SM>your complete lack of knowledge regarding cave diving, and maybe diving in SM>general. What you put forth here is so bigoted and incomplete as to be at SM>least untruthful. It might be best to be quiet so you might learn SM>something, rather than exclaiming your ignorance to the world. SM>Bill Pilicer >If it's not Cavers vs. Tekkie's, it's Cavers Vs. Wreck Divers >or Cavers vs. The World. It doesn't matter, it appears from >all the noise that cave divers (the vocal ones) want to be >noticed and have people approve of them and think everything they >do is perfect, MRWConsult@ex*.co* /\/\/ --- � DeLuxe� 1.25 #11829 � Silly Humans . . .
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