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Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 15:36:11 -0400
To: JR Oldroyd <jr@op*.co*>
From: dlv@ga*.ne* (Dan Volker)
Subject: Re: Deletion of List Member
Cc: techdiver@terra.net
Well, clearly we have heard from the stupidest person on this list. The 
person who is supposed to be responsible for maintaining a list which would 
make technical diving safer, has just decided that because George offended 
people with stupid ideas, and did not follow the limp wristed ettiquette of 
"computer geekdom", that this list will unsubscibe him. 
JR Oldroyd----whoever you are, YOU KNOW ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT DIVING AND 
HAVE NO BUSINESS CONTROLLING THIS LIST! 
I WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU AND DISCOVER WHAT MENTAL PROCESS ALLOWS YOU TO ACT 
IN SUCH IGNORANCE. 
Dan Volker
 
>To All Techdiver Members
>
>I run the Techdiver Mailing list.  As many of you know, I am not
>currently subscribed to the list myself, due to pressures of other work.
>I am reading selected threads of the list using the WWW interface.  I've
>been fortunate to miss much of the recent "offensive" material on the
>list.
>
>However, I have been aware of it, and I have been taking action.  I have
>received mail from various folk over the last two or three weeks about
>George M Irvine III (UXMA73A@pr*.co*).  I corresponded with George
>just over a week ago, requesting that he use language more appropriate
>for a public forum, and that he tone down his antagonistic messages.
>I informed him that he may be removed from the list if he did not change
>his manner.  He did write back.  His response was somewhat arrogant.
>
>I decided to wait one week in order to see if he would, in fact, heed
>the warning.  During this last week, I have received much more email
>from other members requesting that George be removed.  I have also
>noticed that about 30% of the membership has unsubscribed.  I have
>seen further postings from George that continue to be offensive.
>
>As a result, I just advised George that I am deleting has address
>`UXMA73A@pr*.co*' from the membership list.  This is the first time
>in the list's history that I have had to remove an individual in this
>way.  It is with great regret that I have done this.
>
>I strongly support free speech, and I am open to the views of others --
>in fact, I run this list specifically to provide a forum for the
>opinions of others -- but I do not want to see this list destroyed.
>Many members have voiced opinions about George.  I have taken this
>action after requests from many members and, sadly, after the loss of
>many other members.
>
>The listserver has two facilities that should prevent further postings
>from the `UXMA73A@pr*.co*'  address.  Firstly, the listserver will
>block resubscription attempts from the this address.
>
>Secondly, I have enabled the Members-Only filter on the listserver.  The
>listserver will no longer forward postings from addresses that are not
>subscribed to the list.  This feature may cause some inconvenience to
>the rest of us.  You will only be able to post to the list if you post
>from the exact address that you used to subscribe.  If your posting
>address varies in any way from your subscription address, the posting
>will be returned to you with an error message.  Please let me know (at
>`owner-techdiver@terra.net') if you experience problems with this.
>
>I have not, at this time, restricted new subscriptions.  Anyone can
>still subscribe to the list.  Of course, this means that George M
>Irvine III could resubscribe using a different account.  Please let
>me know if this happens.
>
>I hope that the list will return to its former quality.  I also hope
>that many folk who recently left will soon resubscribe.
>
>	-jr
>--
>Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@terra.net'.
>Send subscription/archive requests to `techdiver-request@terra.net'.
>
>
Dan Volker
SOUTH FLORIDA DIVE JOURNAL
http://www.florida.net/scuba/dive
407-683-3592

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