Mailing List Archive Mailing List Archive
Gerry, I couldn't help noticing how your post sounded...I'd say you are trying to position yourself as an "intellectual" on this list, fighting for sanity and fine manners. While this image (which also produces images of a "pencil necked geek") may be pleasing to the bone smugglers and pole smokers of the tech diving world, I don't think many of the "real divers" on this list will identify with your affectations. But the real issue here is --who are you to have an opinion...what makes your irritation at George worthy of any of the tech diver list?? Are you one of the nerds who thinks they can understand tech diving by reading books by Tom Mount , and that the mere fact that you have virtually no practical experience is irrelevant in the face of your "superior theoretical knowledge"? One of the saddest things about someone like yourself, is that when you start your lispy little whining about George and his behavior on the list, what you and the others do is prevent more good information from being distributed on the list....In case you have not noticed, George has contributed alot more than insults lately. What have you contributed other than your whining about ettiquette... Instead of reacting with a flame war, how about showing me that I'm full of shit by coming up with some original ideas about training or tech diving that justifies your high opinion of yourself. And whatever you do, please don't expect any credit from diving some baby tech dive like the Doria....Tell us about some really significant wreck or cave dives you've done that really does require advanced skills, and superior knowledge. And let us know how you attained these skills. And if you can't dive, I'll put $500 on George taking you out in the first round at Sheppard's Gym! Dan Volker > Reply to: RE>George Irvine III - Argue with Reality > > > >-------------------------------------- >Date: 9/14/95 6:10 PM >To: Gerry Smith >From: William W. Mee >I have noticed a growing cadre of people who would like to silence the voice of >Mr. George Irvine, permanently. ><snip> > >Bill Mee > >Bill, > >The "...permanently." above sounds ominous, I doubt if we want that. But... > >I appreciate the post. It's nice to learn a bit more about George`s background >- but I think you miss the point made by most of GI III's detractors. No one >has complained of any lack of knowledge or experience on GI III's part. It's >his lack of willingness - or perhaps ability - to communicate something useful >to the group. Note the use of the word "communicate" - he obviously can talk >(or type in this case), but the minuscule bit of information he posts gets lost >in a storm of childish invective, pointless diatribe and egotistic braggadocio. >His personal SNR is off the bottom of the scale, and he's dragging the whole >group with him. > >You may know him well enough to get past his ego problem. But the great >majority of techdiver subscribers know George only by his posts, and the kind of >dialog they engender. A direct result of these posts is my mental picture of >him. It shows an over weight has-been cracker, sitting on the front porch of a >fly-blown shack with a shotgun over his knee. He spends his day making >pig-ignorant pronouncements about the worth of divers he's never met, and taking >pot-shots at those who fail to genuflect in his direction - boring all who will >listen with tales of how great he is. > >Hey - if I met the guy, I'd probably be surprised at how wrong that picture is, >but that's unlikely. As a result of your biography of GI III, I'll probably try >harder to pull gems out of the garbage he posts, but it will be a fight to get >past the mental snapshot he inadvertently sent to me (and, I think, to a lot of >others.) > >By far, his most egregious transgression is to drive others from this newsgroup. > We're here to exchange information for the good of all. A reasonable man would >have looked at the flurry of "unsubscribe" posts and toned down the rhetoric. >But not George, he gets into an ad-hoc contest to see how many more techdivers >and aspiring techdivers he can shove off the net. Is this indicative of his >commitment to training? > >I suppose my point is this: Sure, George III knows a lot but his >signal-to-noise ratio is so low that we don't benefit from that knowledge. >Since he's now driving others from the newsgroup, he's a much bigger liability >than an asset. Therefore the group would be better off without his >participation. > >This is my opinion, I'll argue it with anyone - but GI III-style flames will be >cheerfully ignored. > >Gerry Smith > > >-- >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@terra.net'. >Send subscription/archive requests to `techdiver-request@terra.net'. > > Dan Volker SOUTH FLORIDA DIVE JOURNAL http://www.florida.net/scuba/dive 407-683-3592
Navigate by Author:
[Previous]
[Next]
[Author Search Index]
Navigate by Subject:
[Previous]
[Next]
[Subject Search Index]
[Send Reply] [Send Message with New Topic]
[Search Selection] [Mailing List Home] [Home]