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To: Mario_Loncar@on*.id*.se*
Subject: Re: Rebreathers
From: <bmk@ds*.bc*.ca*>
Cc: techdiver@opal.com
Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 08:19:24 -0700
Hi Mario

I have not seen techdiver email in months even though I believe that I am
subscribed.  Have you been getting techdiver email lately?  If so what is 
the address of the list server so that I can resubscribe.  Thanks Mario.  
Now on to the rebreathers.

>
>
>I saw your mail to the techdiver list (BMD bargains ?, 16 May ). I have never
>heard about the BMD rebreather nor the Seapack 1000. Do you know where I can
>get some information about them ? 

For information on the BMD contact Jack Parry at the phone number I attached
to the email.  Jack Parry is a sales person who has a pretty agressive 
pitch.  You can also contact BMD directly at

    BMD Enterprises Ltd.

    Phone: 604-681-9565
    Fax:   604-683-3826


For information on the Seapack 1000 contact

    Dick King 
    Bio-Marine Instruments
    131 Wallace Ave, Suit 3
    Downingtown P.A. 
    USA
    19335

    Phone: 610-873-7200
    Fax:   610-873-1712

You might also want to look at the following URL if you have a WWW browser.

    http://diver.ocean.washington.edu/rebreather.htm

>I work for the Swedish Defence Research
>Establishment, Naval medicine division and one of our fields is breathing
>equipment. I have developed a metabolic breathing simulator with
>possibilities to fully simulate human breathing. Oxygen consumption and
>carbon dioxide production can be varied as well as the breating pattern. With
>the simulator we can simulate a diver at depth at different workloads and the
>breathing equipment can be tested far beyond the limits of test divers. For
>the moment I am testing rebreathers for mine clearence divers. This means
>that I am very interested in rebreathers and I try to keep as updated as
>possible in this field. It is both of private interest as well as
>professional.
>

I would be interested in any insights you have into safety, reliability 
and cost of various rebreathers. 

>You mentioned almost fixed FO2 and PO2 respectively. I guess that means
>constant mass flow of the breathing mixture in the first case and some kind
>of qoutient regulator for the second case. 

The Seapack 1000 is a close relative of the CCR 155 which I believe is closely
related to the US Navy MK 15/16.  Howard Hall and Bob Cranston used this 
rebreather to produce several popular movies and Rob Palmer used this rebreather
to explore blue holes.  It is a fully closed mixed gas rebreather that
uses 3 O2 sensors and a solenoid to control the PO2 of the breathing mixture by 
adding pure O2.

The BMD is a semiclosed circuit rebreather.  However it does NOT use the 
constant
mass flow used by the Prism or the Fieno.  Instead it replaces a fixed volume 
fraction on each breath.  This creates completely different FO2 dynamics than
a constant mass flow rebreather.  For example inspired FO2 is only weakly 
related to metablic rate in a fixed volume fraction rebreather.  In a constant
mass flow rebreather the inspired FO2 is strongly related to metabolic rate.
Hence with a BMD it easier to predict the final FO2 of the inspired gas.
For a more detailed analysis of these 2 types of rebreathers see


    The Physiology and Medicine of Diving, Second Edition 
    by Bennet and Eliot. 
    Best Publishing.

I think this is the correct reference but I do not have it on hand.  If you 
cannot obtain this reference send me your snail mail address and I will mail
you a copy of the relevant chapter.

For a fixed volume fraction rebreather the inspired PO2 is roughly calculated 
as follows (this is from memory and may be wrong ).

    PO2 = FO2*P - 1/n*G

Where PO2 is the inspired PO2, FO2 is the supply FO2, P is the abient preasure
in atmospheres, n is the volume fraction that is replaced on each breath 
and G is a physiological constant usually between 15 and 30.  See the above 
reference for more details on this.


Good Luck with your research.



Barrie Kovish
Vancouver, Canada
bmk@ds*.bc*.ca*

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