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Dumbass, she was talking about scrubber breakthroughs, you ignorant moron.
What he did not know and was not told is that this is an easy calculation to
within minutes on a properly designed unit, a designation which obviously
does not apply to the Buddy Inspiration. The scrubber is uselessly small and
inefficient.
The Buddy crowd then tried to concoct some issue with "trimix" being the
problem with the unit, which is utter nonsense.
The Buddy was never properly tested prior to it being produced or it would
never have been produced. They molded parts and set production and painted
themselves into a corner, not that any of them has the ability , resources
or information to do otherwise.
The vast number of aftermarket "fixes" to this thing are themselves all the
argument against it that it needs. Kevin Jurgenson and the late Will
Smithers came up with all kinds of remedies for it, but the design is so
flawed that all their modifications merely improve the quality of the
components and set other automatic features to prevent obvious accidents
while the underlying problems are still present.
-----Original Message-----
From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 7:01 PM
To: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: Nic Gotto Inquest
Your post go no where.........dead is dead and divers who get involved
with technical diving should accept the risk.......families should be
involved and informed by the diver before he takes risk not after he dies.
>that Nic was a *pioneer* (but NOT testing a prototype) pioneer = one that
originates or helps open up a new line of thought or activity
In order to be a pioneer you must accept risk because it is NEW
New "key words"....unfamiliar, not accustom
At 08:08 PM 3/21/03 +1100, Christian Gerzner wrote:
On Thu, 20 Mar 2003 17:19:11 -0500, Capt JT <captjt@mi*.co*>
wrote:
I wrote:
> >And, apropos the current discussion, your point is? You appear to be
> >implying that Nic Gotto couldn't dive to begin with, hoped it would
> >make him something he was not, was a moron and an accident waiting to
> >happen? Really?
> I have never met Nic or even talked to him and was not referring to
him
> directly ,
No doubt, yet you come across as all-knowing, charging across the
landscape on your trusty steed. Wouldn't it then have been a rather
good idea to change the subject line? After all, it still refers to
Nic Gotto?
Couldn't Michelle Gotto have drawn the very same conclusions as I did
- as to your inferences? Since you had already firmly implanted both
feet into mouth where Michelle is concerned, don't you think that
might have been a good idea?
JT, your insensitivity, your braggadocio, your lack of compassion is
quite simply breathtaking. I think you need to take stock of yourself
before it's too late, but then that might well be the case already.
Sorry, that's a cheap shot but I really can't help myself on this
occasion.
I suggest, as a start, that you re-read before sending something and
at least, at the very least, ask yourself whether what you have
written will be interpreted in the way you intend it to be. Mind, I
really don't know whether that'll do any good but it's a start.
> but since he is doing a permanent 6ft deco stop I will never get
> to know him, ask him, or anything. If I could ask him, I think I would
ask
> "was it worth it"......
It still doesn't seem to have dawned on you, in spite of all that has
been written, that Nic was a *pioneer* (but NOT testing a prototype)
on this thing, that its reputation as a seriously questionable piece
of kit HAD NOT YET BEEN ESTABLISHED (upper case to get your
attention). Hello? Are you reading the same posts that I am?
Tell me, do you read and seek to understand the posts of others before
putting either or both feet back into mouth? From this viewing angle
it sure doesn't look like it.
Now, would you care to answer my response to you as follows:
> > > On trips I organize there are only a select few I let on with
> > > a RB and then I have certain rules they must agree to and
> > > they were getting it done on OC before they got a RB.
> > So first of all you challenge anyone to prove ... oh ... I get it,
> > the RB divers are NEVER your buddies? But subject to *your*
> > rules that a select few must agree to, that's OK, these select
> > few can then dive with you?
> >
> > What apparently gives you the right to be the final arbiter of
> > whether a RB diver can, or cannot, dive with your group? Oh,
> > you're an expert on RBs? But you don't dive them. Or is your
> > criterion the fact that they were getting it done on OC before
> > they got a RB? If so, that's quite a call.
Christian
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size=3D2>Dumbass, she was talking about scrubber breakthroughs, you =
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Buddy crowd then tried to concoct some issue with "trimix" being the =
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Buddy was never properly tested prior to it being produced or it would =
never=20
have been produced. They molded parts and set production and painted =
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information=20
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D504052011-24032003><FONT face=3DArial
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vast number of aftermarket "fixes" to this thing are themselves all the =
argument=20
against it that it needs. Kevin Jurgenson and the late Will Smithers =
came up=20
with all kinds of remedies for it, but the design is so flawed that all =
their=20
modifications merely improve the quality of the components and set other =
automatic features to prevent obvious accidents while the underlying =
problems=20
are still present.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Capt JT=20
[mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, March 23, 2003 =
7:01=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B> techdiver@aquanaut.com<BR><B>Subject:</B>
Re: Nic =
Gotto=20
Inquest<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>Your post go no where.........dead is
dead =
and=20
divers who get involved with technical diving should accept the=20
risk.......families should be involved and informed by the diver =
before he=20
takes risk not after he dies. >that Nic was a *pioneer* (but =
NOT=20
testing a prototype) <B>pioneer =3D one that originates or helps open =
up a new=20
line of thought or activity <BR></B>In order to be a pioneer you must =
accept=20
risk because it is <B>NEW <BR>New </B>"key =
words"<B>....</B>unfamiliar, not=20
accustom<BR><BR><BR><B> <BR></B> At 08:08 PM
3/21/03 +1100,=20
Christian Gerzner wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite type=3D"cite">On Thu, 20 Mar 2003 17:19:11 -0500, =
Capt JT=20
<captjt@mi*.co*> wrote:<BR><BR>I wrote:<BR><BR>> =
>And,=20
apropos the current discussion, your point is? You appear to =
be<BR>>=20
>implying that Nic Gotto couldn't dive to begin with, hoped it=20
would<BR>> >make him something he was not, was a moron and an =
accident=20
waiting to<BR>> >happen? Really?<BR> <BR>> I have =
never met=20
Nic or even talked to him and was not referring to him<BR>> =
directly=20
,<BR><BR>No doubt, yet you come across as all-knowing, charging =
across=20
the<BR>landscape on your trusty steed. Wouldn't it then have been a=20
rather<BR>good idea to change the subject line? After all, it still =
refers=20
to<BR>Nic Gotto?<BR><BR>Couldn't Michelle Gotto have drawn the
very =
same=20
conclusions as I did<BR>- as to your inferences? Since you had =
already=20
firmly implanted both<BR>feet into mouth where Michelle is =
concerned, don't=20
you think that<BR>might have been a good idea?<BR><BR>JT, your=20
insensitivity, your braggadocio, your lack of compassion is<BR>quite =
simply=20
breathtaking. I think you need to take stock of yourself<BR>before =
it's too=20
late, but then that might well be the case already.<BR>Sorry, that's =
a cheap=20
shot but I really can't help myself on this occasion.<BR><BR>I =
suggest, as a=20
start, that you re-read before sending something and<BR>at least, at =
the=20
very least, ask yourself whether what you have<BR>written will be=20
interpreted in the way you intend it to be. Mind, I<BR>really don't =
know=20
whether that'll do any good but it's a start.<BR><BR>> but since =
he is=20
doing a permanent 6ft deco stop I will never get<BR>> to know =
him, ask=20
him, or anything. If I could ask him, I think I would ask<BR>> =
"was it=20
worth it"......<BR><BR>It still doesn't seem to have dawned on you, =
in spite=20
of all that has<BR>been written, that Nic was a *pioneer* (but NOT =
testing a=20
prototype)<BR>on this thing, that its reputation as a seriously =
questionable=20
piece<BR>of kit HAD NOT YET BEEN ESTABLISHED (upper case to get=20
your<BR>attention). Hello? Are you reading the same posts that I=20
am?<BR><BR>Tell me, do you read and seek to understand the posts of =
others=20
before<BR>putting either or both feet back into mouth? From this =
viewing=20
angle<BR>it sure doesn't look like it.<BR><BR>Now, would you care
to =
answer=20
my response to you as follows:<BR><BR>> > > On trips I =
organize=20
there are only a select few I let on with<BR>> > > a RB and =
then I=20
have certain rules they must agree to and<BR>> > > they =
were=20
getting it done on OC before they got a RB.<BR><BR>> > So =
first of all=20
you challenge anyone to prove ... oh ... I get it,<BR>> > the =
RB=20
divers are NEVER your buddies? But subject to *your*<BR>> > =
rules that=20
a select few must agree to, that's OK, these select<BR>> > few =
can=20
then dive with you?<BR>> > <BR>> > What apparently gives =
you the=20
right to be the final arbiter of<BR>> > whether a RB diver =
can, or=20
cannot, dive with your group? Oh,<BR>> > you're an expert on =
RBs? But=20
you don't dive them. Or is your<BR>> > criterion the fact that =
they=20
were getting it done on OC before <BR>> > they got a RB? If =
so, that's=20
quite a call.<BR><BR>Christian<BR>--<BR>Send mail for the =
`techdiver'=20
mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'.<BR>Send =
subscribe/unsubscribe=20
requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. =
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learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in the=20
water"<BR><FONT color=3D#0000ff><U>Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving =
along the=20
East Coast & more <BR> Web Site <A=20
href=3D"http://www.capt-jt.com/" =
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