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--=====================_876390==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed The only dumbass is the one who will risk his life on an unproven piece of equipment and not think there is any risk. At 06:31 AM 3/24/03 -0500, George Irvine wrote: >Dumbass, she was talking about scrubber breakthroughs, you ignorant moron. >What he did not know and was not told is that this is an easy calculation >to within minutes on a properly designed unit, a designation which >obviously does not apply to the Buddy Inspiration. The scrubber is >uselessly small and inefficient. > >The Buddy crowd then tried to concoct some issue with "trimix" being the >problem with the unit, which is utter nonsense. > >The Buddy was never properly tested prior to it being produced or it would >never have been produced. They molded parts and set production and painted >themselves into a corner, not that any of them has the ability , resources >or information to do otherwise. > >The vast number of aftermarket "fixes" to this thing are themselves all >the argument against it that it needs. Kevin Jurgenson and the late Will >Smithers came up with all kinds of remedies for it, but the design is so >flawed that all their modifications merely improve the quality of the >components and set other automatic features to prevent obvious accidents >while the underlying problems are still present. >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*] >>Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 7:01 PM >>To: techdiver@aquanaut.com >>Subject: Re: Nic Gotto Inquest >> >>Your post go no where.........dead is dead and divers who get involved >>with technical diving should accept the risk.......families should be >>involved and informed by the diver before he takes risk not after he >>dies. >that Nic was a *pioneer* (but NOT testing a prototype) pioneer = >>one that originates or helps open up a new line of thought or activity >>In order to be a pioneer you must accept risk because it is NEW >>New "key words"....unfamiliar, not accustom >> >> >> >> >> At 08:08 PM 3/21/03 +1100, Christian Gerzner wrote: >>>On Thu, 20 Mar 2003 17:19:11 -0500, Capt JT <captjt@mi*.co*> wrote: >>> >>>I wrote: >>> >>> > >And, apropos the current discussion, your point is? You appear to be >>> > >implying that Nic Gotto couldn't dive to begin with, hoped it would >>> > >make him something he was not, was a moron and an accident waiting to >>> > >happen? Really? >>> >>> > I have never met Nic or even talked to him and was not referring to him >>> > directly , >>> >>>No doubt, yet you come across as all-knowing, charging across the >>>landscape on your trusty steed. Wouldn't it then have been a rather >>>good idea to change the subject line? After all, it still refers to >>>Nic Gotto? >>> >>>Couldn't Michelle Gotto have drawn the very same conclusions as I did >>>- as to your inferences? Since you had already firmly implanted both >>>feet into mouth where Michelle is concerned, don't you think that >>>might have been a good idea? >>> >>>JT, your insensitivity, your braggadocio, your lack of compassion is >>>quite simply breathtaking. I think you need to take stock of yourself >>>before it's too late, but then that might well be the case already. >>>Sorry, that's a cheap shot but I really can't help myself on this occasion. >>> >>>I suggest, as a start, that you re-read before sending something and >>>at least, at the very least, ask yourself whether what you have >>>written will be interpreted in the way you intend it to be. Mind, I >>>really don't know whether that'll do any good but it's a start. >>> >>> > but since he is doing a permanent 6ft deco stop I will never get >>> > to know him, ask him, or anything. If I could ask him, I think I >>> would ask >>> > "was it worth it"...... >>> >>>It still doesn't seem to have dawned on you, in spite of all that has >>>been written, that Nic was a *pioneer* (but NOT testing a prototype) >>>on this thing, that its reputation as a seriously questionable piece >>>of kit HAD NOT YET BEEN ESTABLISHED (upper case to get your >>>attention). Hello? Are you reading the same posts that I am? >>> >>>Tell me, do you read and seek to understand the posts of others before >>>putting either or both feet back into mouth? From this viewing angle >>>it sure doesn't look like it. >>> >>>Now, would you care to answer my response to you as follows: >>> >>> > > > On trips I organize there are only a select few I let on with >>> > > > a RB and then I have certain rules they must agree to and >>> > > > they were getting it done on OC before they got a RB. >>> >>> > > So first of all you challenge anyone to prove ... oh ... I get it, >>> > > the RB divers are NEVER your buddies? But subject to *your* >>> > > rules that a select few must agree to, that's OK, these select >>> > > few can then dive with you? >>> > > >>> > > What apparently gives you the right to be the final arbiter of >>> > > whether a RB diver can, or cannot, dive with your group? Oh, >>> > > you're an expert on RBs? But you don't dive them. Or is your >>> > > criterion the fact that they were getting it done on OC before >>> > > they got a RB? If so, that's quite a call. >>> >>>Christian >>>-- >>>Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >>>Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. >> >> >>"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in >>the water" >>Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more >> Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/ >>Email captjt@mi*.co* > > >"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in >the water" >Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more > Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/ >Email captjt@mi*.co* > --=====================_876390==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" <html> The only dumbass is the one who will risk his life on an unproven piece of equipment and not think there is any risk. <br> <br> At 06:31 AM 3/24/03 -0500, George Irvine wrote:<br> <font face="arial" size=2 color="#0000FF"><blockquote type=cite cite>Dumbass, she was talking about scrubber breakthroughs, you ignorant moron. What he did not know and was not told is that this is an easy calculation to within minutes on a properly designed unit, a designation which obviously does not apply to the Buddy Inspiration. The scrubber is uselessly small and inefficient. </font><br> <br> <font face="arial" size=2 color="#0000FF">The Buddy crowd then tried to concoct some issue with "trimix" being the problem with the unit, which is utter nonsense.</font><br> <br> <font face="arial" size=2 color="#0000FF">The Buddy was never properly tested prior to it being produced or it would never have been produced. They molded parts and set production and painted themselves into a corner, not that any of them has the ability , resources or information to do otherwise.</font><br> <br> <font face="arial" size=2 color="#0000FF">The vast number of aftermarket "fixes" to this thing are themselves all the argument against it that it needs. Kevin Jurgenson and the late Will Smithers came up with all kinds of remedies for it, but the design is so flawed that all their modifications merely improve the quality of the components and set other automatic features to prevent obvious accidents while the underlying problems are still present.</font><blockquote><font face="tahoma" size=2> <dl> <dd>-----Original Message----- <dd>From:</b> Capt JT [<a href="mailto:captjt@mi*.co*" eudora="autourl">mailto:captjt@mi*.co*</a>] <dd>Sent:</b> Sunday, March 23, 2003 7:01 PM <dd>To:</b> techdiver@aquanaut.com <dd>Subject:</b> Re: Nic Gotto Inquest<br> <br> </font> <dd>Your post go no where.........dead is dead and divers who get involved with technical diving should accept the risk.......families should be involved and informed by the diver before he takes risk not after he dies. >that Nic was a *pioneer* (but NOT testing a prototype) pioneer = one that originates or helps open up a new line of thought or activity </b> <dd>In order to be a pioneer you must accept risk because it is NEW <dd>New </b>"key words"....</b>unfamiliar, not accustom<br> <br> <br> <br> <dd> </b> <dd> At 08:08 PM 3/21/03 +1100, Christian Gerzner wrote:<blockquote type=cite cite> <dd>On Thu, 20 Mar 2003 17:19:11 -0500, Capt JT <captjt@mi*.co*> wrote:<br> <br> <dd>I wrote:<br> <br> <dd>> >And, apropos the current discussion, your point is? You appear to be <dd>> >implying that Nic Gotto couldn't dive to begin with, hoped it would <dd>> >make him something he was not, was a moron and an accident waiting to <dd>> >happen? Really? <dd> <dd>> I have never met Nic or even talked to him and was not referring to him <dd>> directly ,<br> <br> <dd>No doubt, yet you come across as all-knowing, charging across the <dd>landscape on your trusty steed. Wouldn't it then have been a rather <dd>good idea to change the subject line? After all, it still refers to <dd>Nic Gotto?<br> <br> <dd>Couldn't Michelle Gotto have drawn the very same conclusions as I did <dd>- as to your inferences? Since you had already firmly implanted both <dd>feet into mouth where Michelle is concerned, don't you think that <dd>might have been a good idea?<br> <br> <dd>JT, your insensitivity, your braggadocio, your lack of compassion is <dd>quite simply breathtaking. I think you need to take stock of yourself <dd>before it's too late, but then that might well be the case already. <dd>Sorry, that's a cheap shot but I really can't help myself on this occasion.<br> <br> <dd>I suggest, as a start, that you re-read before sending something and <dd>at least, at the very least, ask yourself whether what you have <dd>written will be interpreted in the way you intend it to be. Mind, I <dd>really don't know whether that'll do any good but it's a start.<br> <br> <dd>> but since he is doing a permanent 6ft deco stop I will never get <dd>> to know him, ask him, or anything. If I could ask him, I think I would ask <dd>> "was it worth it"......<br> <br> <dd>It still doesn't seem to have dawned on you, in spite of all that has <dd>been written, that Nic was a *pioneer* (but NOT testing a prototype) <dd>on this thing, that its reputation as a seriously questionable piece <dd>of kit HAD NOT YET BEEN ESTABLISHED (upper case to get your <dd>attention). Hello? Are you reading the same posts that I am?<br> <br> <dd>Tell me, do you read and seek to understand the posts of others before <dd>putting either or both feet back into mouth? From this viewing angle <dd>it sure doesn't look like it.<br> <br> <dd>Now, would you care to answer my response to you as follows:<br> <br> <dd>> > > On trips I organize there are only a select few I let on with <dd>> > > a RB and then I have certain rules they must agree to and <dd>> > > they were getting it done on OC before they got a RB.<br> <br> <dd>> > So first of all you challenge anyone to prove ... oh ... I get it, <dd>> > the RB divers are NEVER your buddies? But subject to *your* <dd>> > rules that a select few must agree to, that's OK, these select <dd>> > few can then dive with you? <dd>> > <dd>> > What apparently gives you the right to be the final arbiter of <dd>> > whether a RB diver can, or cannot, dive with your group? Oh, <dd>> > you're an expert on RBs? But you don't dive them. Or is your <dd>> > criterion the fact that they were getting it done on OC before <dd>> > they got a RB? If so, that's quite a call.<br> <br> <dd>Christian <dd>-- <dd>Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. <dd>Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. </blockquote><br> <br> <dd>"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in the water"<font color="#0000FF"> <dd>Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more <dd> Web Site <a href="http://www.capt-jt.com/" eudora="autourl">http://www.capt-jt.com/</a> <dd>Email captjt@mi*.co*</font> </dl></u></blockquote><br> <br> "You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in the water"<br> <font color="#0000FF"><u>Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more <br> Web Site <a href="http://www.capt-jt.com/" eudora="autourl">http://www.capt-jt.com</a><a href="http://www.capt-jt.com/" eudora="autourl">/<br> </a>Email captjt@mi*.co*<br> <br> </font></u></html> --=====================_876390==_.ALT-- -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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