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Well, now that we know the AUE guys are buying the scooters from you, we 
now know that is why you like them. They will not get on hear and tell 
everyone if they are having any problems with them, the code of silence 
thing again.

Cobb. did you notice he has not answered the Mike Pizzo thing, we know that 
Mike dives with the AUE group and unless they can prove it is not the same 
Mike Pizzo involved with this
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then they are part of the side show.......




  At 06:35 PM 8/23/02 -0400, George Irvine wrote:

>Jim, I told you all they were prototype and to work with me on any issues. 
>JT is incapable of doing that due to his false pride. I don't care how 
>many screwups he has had, I am not "hammering" him over anything but his 
>unwillingness to learn and his unwillingness to ask. I am hammering him 
>over doing the same things over and over. He just keeps telling me 
>I  don't know and that he does know, and that is clearly a function of his 
>having no clue what he is talking about and no willingness to listen to 
>those who know a hell of a lot more than he does. Andrew G told me exactly 
>the same thing about his efforts with JT. He is a waste of time.
>
>You got the first one of those scooters I ever made. You were supposed to 
>stay in touch with me to work out any issues .You will recall that I used 
>two different winds of experimental motors on your scooters. So far I have 
>only heard from one of  you about anything , and nothing from that idiot 
>JT other than his slop on the lists.
>
>Barnette and the others who have them, on the other hand, keep me updated 
>on the conditions of the scooters. There are now several of the wreck 
>scooters in existence, and several hundred of the cave scooters. The 
>military has several, police forces have them, most organized ( non 
>stroke) dive teams have them, and the two record holding distance dive 
>teams have them. Once the motor and other issues are certain, you can 
>install which ever clutch you want and locktite if you want, but the thing 
>will not come unscrewed unless the clutch is pushed back from the shear 
>pin or the screw is stripped , which will happen if it is removed and 
>replaced more than one time. Sure, it would be nice if them made them with 
>a reverse thread, but they do not, so other solutions must be used.
>
>All any of you have to do is ask, but that is just too much for a moron 
>like JT and the rest of you are listening to that clown. He never had a 
>real scooter before, what the hell makes you think he has any clue what is 
>what with this one?
>
>Personally, I do not locktite mine, I use the minimum number of washers so 
>it will slip if I put my pinkie in the blades, and that does not put 
>enough pressure on the screw to unwind it. If you guys need something 
>different,  you need to talk to me about it, or you will not get a 
>solution from the person who knows best.
>
>And, just so you know, the people who specify that they want what I ride, 
>which is a Magnum PVC Gavin with expensive batteries and clutch rigged 
>loose, get just that only it costs more money.Certainly a lot more than JT 
>was willing to spend. Reinhard and Michael with their team and fleet of 
>these scooters just yesterday pushed Doux de Coly Cave out to over 18,000 
>feet. Reinhard has no problem discussing how every little thing we do is 
>done directly with me, and he has the results to prove it, just as have 
>the results using the rebreather he built for me.
>
>You can share information with the best, or you can fight and argue with 
>the best. I have been making scooters, winding motors, sharing data 
>,technology and information and receiving data and information from the 
>best for years. Most of you have a real hard time doing that due to 
>self-imposed ego restraints ( not you personally, Jim, but your boy and 
>others like him).
>
>In any event, the wreck scooters is the best thing for boat diving and the 
>other is the best for cave diving, and I can recommend what is needed for 
>each type of condition and do it for the least amount of money. You do not 
>need what I ride to do what you guys go, and in fact I use what you use 
>when I do that kind of diving. As anyone, including you yourself know, I 
>am ALWAYS accessible by phone or email. Wait, I take that back. Last night 
>when Reinhard called me to tell me he was ok and back safely from his 
>record dive, I did not hear the phone ring due to being 8 rows back at 
>Pompano Beach Amphitheatre listening to Dream Theatre and Joe Satriani, 
>but I did phone him back this morning to hear about his dive .
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Jim Cobb [mailto:cobber@ci*.co*]
>>Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 11:03 AM
>>To: George Irvine
>>Cc: Joe; Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com; vbtech@ci*.co*; Capt JT
>>Subject: Re: Back to the issues - Capt. CF - was Re: Dangerous Idiot was 
>>RE: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter Support / WAS - Cheap parts?
>>
>>George-
>>
>>I don't feel I need to defend JT, he is a big boy and can do that 
>>himself. But I do need to call bullshit when I see it. Yes you guys did 
>>come up and dive with us and I appreciate it. JT appreciated it too, he 
>>opened his house up to both you, JJ on your visit and then to Andrew and 
>>Mike when they came up to teach the fundamentals class.
>>
>>JT has bent over backwards to hear the DIR/GUE side of the story. Hell, 
>>we all went down there to return the favor and see how you guys do it. 
>>Why JT wants to butt heads with you over every little thing, I guess you 
>>have to ask JT, because I don't know. I do know that when I did deep 
>>dives the person I wanted to have on the boat was JT because he sweats 
>>the details, and therein lies the devil, as you well know. You and 
>>several other people on this list are slamming JT for having a few 
>>screwed up dives. The reason you know about these screwed up dives is 
>>that he told you, me and everybody else about what happened. JT broke the 
>>"code of silence" which is apparently alive and well and fully enforced 
>>down there in Florida.
>>
>>And there are so many assholes and idiots out there doing goofy, 
>>dangerous shit:
>>
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>>Did you know that Mike Pizzio is involved with this clusterfuck waiting 
>>to happen? Where the hell is DIR now? This is the kind of crap you and 
>>Joe need to be hammering, not JT.
>>
>>As far as this pissing match over the scooters, I am dismayed over a 
>>couple of things. For one I feel responsible for all the guys purchasing 
>>your scooter after you sold me that prototype. The guys saw the logic of 
>>getting a scooter for depth as, once you get one, you realize that a 
>>scooter is not a lazy way to get around but a actual piece of life 
>>support equipment. A scooter can save your ass on a deep dive, conserve 
>>your gas and keep you from getting bent.
>>
>>And the fact is that while your scooters have the engineering down better 
>>than anyone else, your QA sucks and everybody had problems with their 
>>scooters other than me. It made me look bad and I don't like that any 
>>more than you do. I have no doubt in my mind that you stick behind your 
>>products 100% up to and including buying them back if the customer is not 
>>satisfied. What would be better, and what everybody wants, is not to ship 
>>the scooter back for a refund, but that the darn things are de-bugged 
>>before shipment. If we are to do the debugging, fine, that should be 
>>stated and it never was.
>>
>>All this clutch bruhaha is not about the clutch at all. It is about a 
>>screw backing out allowing a sacrificial clutch component to fry out. 
>>Hell, one prop assembly fell apart in the water right after the diver 
>>entered the water. This is not encouraging stuff for something we 
>>consider life support equipment. As far as the guys were concerned they 
>>had just bought the scooter that went 18,000 ft and is used by some of 
>>the best divers on earth. I figure that problem would be solved by just 
>>using lock-tight on this critical screw, the fix would be that simple.
>>
>>Instead this has become a full-blown pissing match between two people who 
>>I like and respect and I hate to see it happen. I truly wish you and JT 
>>would figure out this scooter thing and make the "wrecker special" as 
>>reliable as the "cave special" as I'm sure it can be. You have some 
>>powerful proponents of the DIR system here in Virginia Beach and it would 
>>really be a shame if they were all alienated over a dumb screw.
>>
>>I know that you have been around a long time, George, and I also know 
>>that you are almost invariably right (much to the consternation of many 
>>on this list). But I think you are wrong about JT. You two may never see 
>>eye to eye but JT is very much into not only himself surviving the dive 
>>but everybody else on the boat, within the realm of reality. Those last 5 
>>words are very important. You can strive to gain true DIR precepts, but 
>>at some point you have to bow to reality or quit diving. It's like taking 
>>a half-step to a wall, you will always get closer and closer but you 
>>won't ever actually get there. At some point you have to deal with your 
>>situation and do the best you can. And JT and others up here are doing 
>>the best they can with what they've got.
>>
>>Jim
>>
>>On Friday, August 23, 2002, at 06:49 AM, George Irvine wrote:
>>
>>Jim, a bunch of us came up there and dove with all of you and JT did not
>>want to hear anything from us about how we think it should be done. I came
>>up later and went over all of it again. Andrew G came up there and did it
>>one more time. JT will listen to nobody, and somebody or sombodies will die
>>as a result. Quit defending the guy. He is wrong, and there is no hiding his
>>attitude about diving. I think he is a lost cause and needs to be given a
>>wide berth. Even if he did things "right", his head is in a dangerous place.
>>
>>I have been around a long time, Jim, and I have yet to be wrong about
>>something like this. The best advice I can give anyone is to avoid people
>>who think this way.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Jim Cobb [mailto:cobber@ci*.co*]
>>Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 9:35 PM
>>To: Joe
>>Cc: Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com; trey@my*.ne*; vbtech@ci*.co*; Capt
>>JT
>>Subject: Re: Back to the issues - Capt. CF - was Re: Dangerous Idiot was
>>RE: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter Support / WAS - Cheap
>>parts?
>>
>>
>>
>>Hey Joe, you are down there and I am up here. I can state without
>>reservation that you don't know what in the fuck you are talking about.
>>
>>Believe me I know what it's like sitting behind a keyboard and carping
>>at people. But at least I do a half-assed attempt to get the facts
>>straight, something you obviously have not done.
>>If you have a problem with JT you need to come up here and dive and
>>show us how it's done. If you don't want to do that then why don't you
>>shut the fuck up.
>>
>>If you can prove to me that you have never done an deep dive on
>>anything other than a perfect boat with perfect support and perfect
>>partners and every single one of your dives have been perfect and error
>>free then, to use another oft stated saw; "I will kiss your ass in
>>Macey's window".
>>
>>What I'd like to hear from you (christ, from *anybody* south of
>>Morehead City) of one of your "less than perfect" dives, how you
>>survived it and what lessons you learned. I doubt we will hear anything
>>like this from you as it take courage to admit your mistakes. I don't
>>think you have the balls to do it.
>>
>>People tell me that you are a super experienced, ultra accomplished
>>diver. But you never offer one piece of advice, no data, not one single
>>lesson learned. All you can do is sit behind your keyboard and do this
>>vendetta against me, JT or anybody else you happen to dislike.
>>
>>How about belaying the BS and give us some information. Give us a "I
>>learned about diving from that" story. If you truly have the track
>>record everybody says you do, I will bet you have quite a few.
>>
>>Jim
>>
>>On Thursday, August 22, 2002, at 09:27 PM, Joe wrote:
>>
>>Dear Capt. CF:
>>
>>Since you are quite obviously an aberration resulting from generations
>>of
>>inbreeding, I will help you along here by redirecting your limited
>>attention
>>span to the issues originally discussed. Please uncross your eyes if
>>that
>>is possible.
>>
>>Please explain to the list which is worse, having a chase boat which
>>may or
>>may not work stowed on the top deck of the dive boat while anchored on
>>a
>>dive, OR, the compounding of this stupidity by putting decompression
>>bottles
>>and a hangbar under the boat while the Captain sleeps.
>>
>>Or, perhaps you claim that you no longer do this and that the
>>chaseboat is
>>deployed in good working order before divers enter the water and you no
>>longer irresponsibly leave it on the top deck in a state of disrepair,
>>making the effective rescue of a distressed diver next to impossible?
>>Which
>>is it? Please tell us.
>>
>>While I am at it, please explain to everyone why the Miss Lindsey and
>>its
>>owner are not welcome in the Bahamas anymore. Shall I go on?
>>
>>I think I will.
>>
>>Please tell us about the non commercial, commercial dive that you got
>>paid
>>for which resulted in the death of Tai Wilkerson. Please tell us who
>>was
>>captain of the boat that day and how he complied with all of the OSHA
>>regs
>>re a commercial dive operation. Tell us how you had the required on
>>board
>>recompression chamber and how it worked like your chase boat. Also
>>tell us
>>what in water communications were in place and what were the depths
>>and the
>>gases being used? Who was Tai's buddy and what was his experience
>>level?
>>Isn't it true that this was his deepest dive ever? Isn't it also true
>>that
>>when Tai got into trouble his buddy rescued him by shooting him to the
>>surface like a Polaris missile? Tell us how you presided over this in
>>your
>>usual professional way. Don't bother denying it. We all know what
>>happened. For a guy that just tells the truth you sure do "lair" a
>>lot.
>>
>>You say I am a "lair" and you don't smoke dope anymore. Then why is
>>it that
>>you go through life in a state of perpetual dyslexic confusion
>>looking like a Jerry Garcia groupie. And why is it that you have that
>>distinct ashen pallor of death that most druggies get after many years
>>of
>>continued abuse. Is it your liver or the inbreeding? Or have you
>>fried so
>>many brain cells that you can no longer be sober and look normal?
>>
>>Your feeble attempts to discredit me and others is a sham to avoid the
>>above
>>questions which you so ignorantly refuse to address. As I have said
>>before,
>>you do not qualify to be my tank or towel boy.
>>
>>Capt. CF, your stupidity never ceases to amaze me. Do you really
>>think that
>>your little "private email" would shock or upset me? George and I
>>know each
>>other 15 years. I am no more bothered by that "private email" than he
>>would
>>be were the reverse to happen. It is internet rhetoric. Nothing more,
>>nothing less. The difference between you and myself is that I see good
>>information and recognize it. You see it and reject it because you
>>are mad
>>at whomever gives you the advice. I will solve the problem right now.
>>JT,
>>PLEASE, PLEASE, DON'T SHOOT YOURSELF IN THE HEAD.
>>
>>Capt. CF, you really need to come down from the tree and put away the
>>banjo.
>>People are desperately trying to give you good advice and information
>>and
>>you continuously reject it and reliably do the opposite. You are a
>>danger
>>to all around you. Change your ways. Give up the dope. Get into
>>therapy.
>>
>>All of the above said, I seriously question how ANY lucid business
>>person
>>would allow you to take charge of the lives of their passengers.
>>Given all
>>of the sound advice you have so ignorantly rejected, were an incident
>>to
>>occur I shudder to think of the legal ramifications. Your obvious
>>defense
>>would be "Diminished Capacity" which of course you would easily get
>>but only
>>at the expense of your employers, who would undoubtedly be held
>>criminally
>>negligent.
>>
>>Dive safe, be safe.
>>
>>Your friend.
>>
>>Joe
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "George Irvine" <trey@my*.ne*>
>>To: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>; "Joe" <joe@po*.co*>;
>><trey@my*.ne*>; "Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>>Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 3:52 AM
>>Subject: Dangerous Idiot was RE: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's
>>Scooter Support / WAS - Cheap parts?
>>
>>
>>
>>JT, besides you being a petty little wimp, you just can not stick to
>>the
>>subject ( how to safely and properly do these dives) , and you are
>>the one
>>who is a "lair". I know Joe for 15 years. Still waiting for him to
>>"light
>>up".
>>
>>When these guys ( AUE ) first started out I had a big problem with
>>some of
>>their stroke buddies and told them why, and I told them how I would
>>do the
>>dives. They did not like my "style", but they knew I was right about
>>the
>>diving part, and they eventually got rid of the strokes.
>>
>>They did not like me any better than you do. The difference is that
>>these
>>guys are not morons like you, are not big egos like you ( in your case
>>totally undeserved), and they have a legitimate program and are not
>>out
>>trying to prove something like you are.
>>
>>You can keep digging up all the "private" emails you want, the fact is
>>
>>that
>>right here and now you are a complete stroke and everyone can see it.
>>You
>>want some "private" emails from Kane and Georgitsis about how
>>hopeless you
>>are? How about from anyone who has ever seen you in the water or seen
>>your
>>act?
>>
>>The facts are that you do now know what the hell you are doing, you
>>are
>>risking people's lives with your dangerous idiocy, you can't dive at
>>all,
>>you are an obvious moron, and you have no prospects of changing any of
>>
>>that.
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]
>>Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 4:31 PM
>>To: Joe; trey@my*.ne*; Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com
>>Subject: Re: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter Support /
>>WAS
>>- Cheap parts?
>>
>>
>>
>>Joe, have you been taking lesson on being a lair from G, not one
>>thing is
>>true in this post. One thing about not telling the truth on a post.
>>Everyone who sees you will know mine was right on, no hiding that
>>stomach,
>>the height, curly hair, or the old face. And if they watch you long
>>enough
>>you will light up.....
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>At 11:09 AM 8/21/02 -0700, Joe wrote:
>>Good morning JT:
>>
>>It seems the THC in your system has finally taken its toll. You are
>>confused as I not only do not smoke but abhor being around smoke.
>>
>>You seem a bit cranky. Perhaps you should have some bran with your
>>
>>banana.
>>They say that helps. I was also wondering, do you have an opposable
>>
>>thumb?
>>I hear you had some problems on the Miss Lindsay this Sunday. Why
>>do you
>>insist on leaving the chase boat inaccessible and untested on the
>>upper
>>
>>deck
>>when you tie in? Don't you realize you are endangering everyone in
>>the
>>water when you do that? One day your luck will run out.
>>
>>Cheers.
>>
>>Joe
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>
>>To: <joe@po*.co*>; <trey@my*.ne*>;
>>"Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com"
>><techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>>Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 12:33 PM
>>Subject: Re: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter Support /
>>WAS -
>>Cheap parts?
>>
>>
>>
>>I hit the nail on the head with that one, bananas are good for you.
>>
>>You
>>just keep on smoking those cancer sticks, dicky do boy........
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>At 08:54 PM 8/19/02 -0400, joe@po*.co* wrote:
>>JT, have a bananna. You'll feel better.
>>
>>Regards from your friend.
>>
>>Joe
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>
>>To: <joe@po*.co*>; <trey@my*.ne*>;
>>
>>"Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com"
>><techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>>Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 4:54 PM
>>Subject: Re: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter Support /
>>
>>WAS -
>>Cheap parts?
>>
>>
>>
>>I had dinner at an Italian restaurant over the weekend and there
>>
>>was
>>this
>>little curly haired old guy who looked like a woman does in her
>>
>>8th
>>month
>>with that stomach sticking out there, sitting at the bar enjoying
>>
>>his
>>drink
>>and cigarettes. Kinda reminded me of that guy Joe in the AUE
>>
>>group.
>>At 03:44 PM 8/17/02 -0400, joe@po*.co* wrote:
>>Funny thing about the monkey. I ran into Marguerite the other
>>
>>day
>>and
>>she
>>told me she had taught him to shave his body. He figured he
>>
>>could
>>pass
>>himself off as a person and ran away to Hollywood to star in the
>>
>>next
>>version of Planet of The Apes. When he found out they weren't
>>
>>doing
>>another
>>sequel he moved to Virginia Beach where he took a job as a boat
>>
>>captain
>>named JT.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "George Irvine" <trey@my*.ne*>
>>To: "Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>>Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 10:08 AM
>>Subject: RE: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter Support
>>
>>/
>>WAS -
>>Cheap parts?
>>
>>
>>
>>JT, the bottom line is that you are not qualified to comment
>>
>>on
>>anything
>>in
>>diving, and you have proven it repeatedly. You are a bad
>>
>>imitation
>>of
>>what
>>the rest of us do so easily and a complete stroke by anyone's
>>
>>measure,
>>from
>>attitude to execution. Anyone who has seen you in the water
>>
>>knows
>>you
>>are
>>pathetic, anyone who had read your slop on here knows you are
>>
>>an
>>illiterate
>>moron.
>>
>>Just as in Rodney's motor thing with Christina, had she paid
>>
>>Rod
>>for
>>a
>>fast motor, she would have had one to start with. You are a
>>
>>nickel
>>rocket
>>of massive proportions, and it shows in all you say , do , and
>>
>>use.
>>You
>>caught Cobb bailing out of diving ( the right thing for anyone
>>
>>to
>>do
>>who
>>is
>>subject to your perpetual risk creation) and got his prototype
>>
>>scooter
>>cheap, so either sell it back to me or shut up. There is no
>>
>>way
>>any of
>>you
>>would have paid for the clutch, and you would not need it if
>>
>>you
>>were
>>not
>>so incompetent .
>>
>>You have an obvious reading problem. I said I bought $8,000
>>
>>worth
>>of
>>Arnie
>>clutches that I thought I would never get rid of, since most
>>
>>people do
>>not
>>need them. I still have more than I will likely be able to
>>
>>legitimately
>>ask
>>anyone to buy. Scooters are my life support, and staying
>>
>>constantly
>>hands
>>on
>>with them keeps me and
>>my team alive in the scooter dependent diving we do , and
>>
>>selling
>>them
>>to
>>other groups helps finance the WKPP exploration activities. If
>>
>>you
>>don't
>>like that, too bad - for people like you there is Rodney. If
>>
>>you
>>don't
>>like
>>the clutch , complain to Mako. In addition, you moron, we do
>>
>>not
>>use
>>the
>>wreck scooter in the WKPP in the first place, we use the PVC
>>
>>standard
>>version.
>>
>>Most people buy the clutches directly form Arnie or NE Scuba.
>>
>>The
>>only
>>thing that needs to be known about this is that the washers
>>
>>for
>>the
>>other
>>clutch will not work with the Arnie , so when they get them
>>
>>installed
>>by
>>me
>>, I use the correct washers. I am sure you are going to make
>>
>>this
>>mistake
>>if you can scrape together the 100 bucks or whatever he
>>
>>charges
>>for
>>them.
>>Maybe you could make up a cardboard sign that says. "Will work
>>
>>for
>>clutch"
>>and stand at a busy streetcorner and collect the money to buy
>>
>>one.
>>This list for you is an effort to make yourself look like a
>>
>>tough
>>guy,
>>but
>>all you are doing is making yourself look like one of Jerry's
>>
>>Kids.
>>Your
>>constant efforts to fight with me are not going to work, no
>>
>>matter
>>how
>>personal you try to get. You have proven yourself to be an
>>
>>incapable
>>diver
>>with a stroke attitude who has almost nobody left willing to
>>
>>risk
>>diving
>>with you and certainly nobody willing to listen to you any
>>
>>more.
>>You
>>are
>>incapable of learning anything, and I just hope you don't kill
>>
>>anyone,
>>even
>>yourself, since the assholes would claim it to be a "DIR
>>
>>death."
>>even
>>though you have no clue what DIR is.
>>
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Well, now that we know the AUE guys are buying the scooters from you, we
now know that is why you like them. They will not get on hear and tell
everyone if they are having any problems with them, the code of silence
thing again.<br>
<br>
Cobb. did you notice he has not answered the Mike Pizzo thing, we know
that Mike dives with the AUE group and unless they can prove it is not
the same Mike Pizzo involved with this <br>
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then they are part of the side show.......<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
 At 06:35 PM 8/23/02 -0400, George Irvine wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>Jim, I told you all they were prototype and to
work with me on any issues. JT is incapable of doing that due to his
false pride. I don't care how many screwups he has had, I am not
"hammering" him over anything but his unwillingness to learn
and his unwillingness to ask. I am hammering him over doing the same
things over and over. He just keeps telling me I  don't know and
that he does know, and that is clearly a function of his having no clue
what he is talking about and no willingness to listen to those who know a
hell of a lot more than he does. Andrew G told me exactly the same thing
about his efforts with JT. He is a waste of time. <br>
<br>
You got the first one of those scooters I ever made. You were supposed to
stay in touch with me to work out any issues .You will recall that I used
two different winds of experimental motors on your scooters. So far I
have only heard from one of  you about anything , and nothing from
that idiot JT other than his slop on the lists.<br>
<br>
Barnette and the others who have them, on the other hand, keep me updated
on the conditions of the scooters. There are now several of the wreck
scooters in existence, and several hundred of the cave scooters. The
military has several, police forces have them, most organized ( non
stroke) dive teams have them, and the two record holding distance dive
teams have them. Once the motor and other issues are certain, you can
install which ever clutch you want and locktite if you want, but the
thing will not come unscrewed unless the clutch is pushed back from the
shear pin or the screw is stripped , which will happen if it is removed
and replaced more than one time. Sure, it would be nice if them made them
with a reverse thread, but they do not, so other solutions must be
used.<br>
<br>
All any of you have to do is ask, but that is just too much for a moron
like JT and the rest of you are listening to that clown. He never had a
real scooter before, what the hell makes you think he has any clue what
is what with this one?<br>
<br>
Personally, I do not locktite mine, I use the minimum number of washers
so it will slip if I put my pinkie in the blades, and that does not put
enough pressure on the screw to unwind it. If you guys need something
different,  you need to talk to me about it, or you will not get a
solution from the person who knows best.<br>
<br>
And, just so you know, the people who specify that they want what I ride,
which is a Magnum PVC Gavin with expensive batteries and clutch rigged
loose, get just that only it costs more money.Certainly a lot more than
JT was willing to spend. Reinhard and Michael with their team and fleet
of these scooters just yesterday pushed Doux de Coly Cave out to over
18,000 feet. Reinhard has no problem discussing how every little thing we
do is done directly with me, and he has the results to prove it, just as
have the results using the rebreather he built for me.<br>
<br>
You can share information with the best, or you can fight and argue with
the best. I have been making scooters, winding motors, sharing data
,technology and information and receiving data and information from the
best for years. Most of you have a real hard time doing that due to
self-imposed ego restraints ( not you personally, Jim, but your boy and
others like him).<br>
<br>
In any event, the wreck scooters is the best thing for boat diving and
the other is the best for cave diving, and I can recommend what is needed
for each type of condition and do it for the least amount of money. You
do not need what I ride to do what you guys go, and in fact I use what
you use when I do that kind of diving. As anyone, including you yourself
know, I am ALWAYS accessible by phone or email. Wait, I take that back.
Last night when Reinhard called me to tell me he was ok and back safely
from his record dive, I did not hear the phone ring due to being 8 rows
back at Pompano Beach Amphitheatre listening to Dream Theatre and Joe
Satriani, but I did phone him back this morning to hear about his dive
.<br>
<br>
 <blockquote><font face="tahoma" size=2>
<dl>
<dd>-----Original Message-----
<dd>From:</b> Jim Cobb
[<a href="mailto:cobber@ci*.co*"
eudora="autourl">mailto:cobber@ci*.co*</a>]
<dd>Sent:</b> Friday, August 23, 2002 11:03 AM
<dd>To:</b> George Irvine
<dd>Cc:</b> Joe; Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com; vbtech@ci*.co*; Capt 
JT
<dd>Subject:</b> Re: Back to the issues - Capt. CF - was Re: Dangerous
Idiot was RE: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter Support / WAS
- Cheap parts?<br>
<br>
</font>
<dd>George-<br>
<br>

<dd>I don't feel I need to defend JT, he is a big boy and can do that
himself. But I do need to call bullshit when I see it. Yes you guys did
come up and dive with us and I appreciate it. JT appreciated it too, he
opened his house up to both you, JJ on your visit and then to Andrew and
Mike when they came up to teach the fundamentals class.<br>
<br>

<dd>JT has bent over backwards to hear the DIR/GUE side of the story.
Hell, we all went down there to return the favor and see how you guys do
it. Why JT wants to butt heads with you over every little thing, I guess
you have to ask JT, because I don't know. I do know that when I did deep
dives the person I wanted to have on the boat was JT because he sweats
the details, and therein lies the devil, as you well know. You and
several other people on this list are slamming JT for having a few
screwed up dives. The reason you know about these screwed up dives is
that he told you, me and everybody else about what happened. JT broke the
"code of silence" which is apparently alive and well and fully
enforced down there in Florida.<br>
<br>

<dd>And there are so many assholes and idiots out there doing goofy,
dangerous shit:<br>
<br>

<dd><?color><?param
1A1A,1A1A,FFFF><a
href="http://www.wr350.com/photos/axl%20by%20albert%20014%20small.jpg"
eudora="autourl">http://www.wr350.com/photos/axl%20by%20albert%20014%20small.jpg
</a>
<dd><?/color></u>
<dd>Did you know that Mike Pizzio is involved with this clusterfuck
waiting to happen? Where the hell is DIR now? This is the kind of crap
you and Joe need to be hammering, not JT.<br>
<br>

<dd>As far as this pissing match over the scooters, I am dismayed over a
couple of things. For one I feel responsible for all the guys purchasing
your scooter after you sold me that prototype. The guys saw the logic of
getting a scooter for depth as, once you get one, you realize that a
scooter is not a lazy way to get around but a actual piece of life
support equipment. A scooter can save your ass on a deep dive, conserve
your gas and keep you from getting bent.<br>
<br>

<dd>And the fact is that while your scooters have the engineering down
better than anyone else, your QA sucks and everybody had problems with
their scooters other than me. It made me look bad and I don't like that
any more than you do. I have no doubt in my mind that you stick behind
your products 100% up to and including buying them back if the customer
is not satisfied. What would be better, and what everybody wants, is not
to ship the scooter back for a refund, but that the darn things are
de-bugged before shipment. If we are to do the debugging, fine, that
should be stated and it never was.<br>
<br>

<dd>All this clutch bruhaha is not about the clutch at all. It is about a
screw backing out allowing a sacrificial clutch component to fry out.
Hell, one prop assembly fell apart in the water right after the diver
entered the water. This is not encouraging stuff for something we
consider life support equipment. As far as the guys were concerned they
had just bought the scooter that went 18,000 ft and is used by some of
the best divers on earth. I figure that problem would be solved by just
using lock-tight on this critical screw, the fix would be that
simple.<br>
<br>

<dd>Instead this has become a full-blown pissing match between two people
who I like and respect and I hate to see it happen. I truly wish you and
JT would figure out this scooter thing and make the "wrecker
special" as reliable as the "cave special" as I'm sure it
can be. You have some powerful proponents of the DIR system here in
Virginia Beach and it would really be a shame if they were all alienated
over a dumb screw.<br>
<br>

<dd>I know that you have been around a long time, George, and I also know
that you are almost invariably right (much to the consternation of many
on this list). But I think you are wrong about JT. You two may never see
eye to eye but JT is very much into not only himself surviving the dive
but everybody else on the boat, within the realm of reality. Those last 5
words are very important. You can strive to gain true DIR precepts, but
at some point you have to bow to reality or quit diving. It's like taking
a half-step to a wall, you will always get closer and closer but you
won't ever actually get there. At some point you have to deal with your
situation and do the best you can. And JT and others up here are doing
the best they can with what they've got.<br>
<br>

<dd>Jim<br>
<br>

<dd>On Friday, August 23, 2002, at 06:49 AM, George Irvine wrote:<br>
<br>

<dd>Jim, a bunch of us came up there and dove with all of you and JT did
not
<dd>want to hear anything from us about how we think it should be done. I
came
<dd>up later and went over all of it again. Andrew G came up there and
did it
<dd>one more time. JT will listen to nobody, and somebody or sombodies
will die
<dd>as a result. Quit defending the guy. He is wrong, and there is no
hiding his
<dd>attitude about diving. I think he is a lost cause and needs to be
given a
<dd>wide berth. Even if he did things "right", his head is in a
dangerous place.<br>
<br>

<dd>I have been around a long time, Jim, and I have yet to be wrong
about
<dd>something like this. The best advice I can give anyone is to avoid
people
<dd>who think this way.<br>
<br>

<dd>-----Original Message-----
<dd>From: Jim Cobb
[<a href="mailto:cobber@ci*.co*"
eudora="autourl">mailto:cobber@ci*.co*</a>]
<dd>Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 9:35 PM
<dd>To: Joe
<dd>Cc: Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com; trey@my*.ne*; vbtech@ci*.co*;
Capt
<dd>JT
<dd>Subject: Re: Back to the issues - Capt. CF - was Re: Dangerous Idiot
was
<dd>RE: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter Support / WAS -
Cheap
<dd>parts?<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>

<dd>Hey Joe, you are down there and I am up here. I can state without
<dd>reservation that you don't know what in the fuck you are talking
about.<br>
<br>

<dd>Believe me I know what it's like sitting behind a keyboard and
carping
<dd>at people. But at least I do a half-assed attempt to get the facts
<dd>straight, something you obviously have not done.
<dd>If you have a problem with JT you need to come up here and dive and
<dd>show us how it's done. If you don't want to do that then why don't
you
<dd>shut the fuck up.<br>
<br>

<dd>If you can prove to me that you have never done an deep dive on
<dd>anything other than a perfect boat with perfect support and perfect
<dd>partners and every single one of your dives have been perfect and
error
<dd>free then, to use another oft stated saw; "I will kiss your ass
in
<dd>Macey's window".<br>
<br>

<dd>What I'd like to hear from you (christ, from *anybody* south of
<dd>Morehead City) of one of your "less than perfect" dives,
how you
<dd>survived it and what lessons you learned. I doubt we will hear
anything
<dd>like this from you as it take courage to admit your mistakes. I
don't
<dd>think you have the balls to do it.<br>
<br>

<dd>People tell me that you are a super experienced, ultra accomplished
<dd>diver. But you never offer one piece of advice, no data, not one
single
<dd>lesson learned. All you can do is sit behind your keyboard and do
this
<dd>vendetta against me, JT or anybody else you happen to dislike.<br>
<br>

<dd>How about belaying the BS and give us some information. Give us a
"I
<dd>learned about diving from that" story. If you truly have the
track
<dd>record everybody says you do, I will bet you have quite a few.<br>
<br>

<dd>Jim<br>
<br>

<dd>On Thursday, August 22, 2002, at 09:27 PM, Joe wrote:<br>
<br>

<dd>Dear Capt. CF:<br>
<br>

<dd>Since you are quite obviously an aberration resulting from
generations
<dd>of
<dd>inbreeding, I will help you along here by redirecting your limited
<dd>attention
<dd>span to the issues originally discussed. Please uncross your eyes 
if
<dd>that
<dd>is possible.<br>
<br>

<dd>Please explain to the list which is worse, having a chase boat 
which
<dd>may or
<dd>may not work stowed on the top deck of the dive boat while anchored
on
<dd>a
<dd>dive, OR, the compounding of this stupidity by putting 
decompression
<dd>bottles
<dd>and a hangbar under the boat while the Captain sleeps.<br>
<br>

<dd>Or, perhaps you claim that you no longer do this and that the
<dd>chaseboat is
<dd>deployed in good working order before divers enter the water and you
no
<dd>longer irresponsibly leave it on the top deck in a state of
disrepair,
<dd>making the effective rescue of a distressed diver next to
impossible?
<dd>Which
<dd>is it? Please tell us.<br>
<br>

<dd>While I am at it, please explain to everyone why the Miss Lindsey
and
<dd>its
<dd>owner are not welcome in the Bahamas anymore. Shall I go on?<br>
<br>

<dd>I think I will.<br>
<br>

<dd>Please tell us about the non commercial, commercial dive that you
got
<dd>paid
<dd>for which resulted in the death of Tai Wilkerson. Please tell us 
who
<dd>was
<dd>captain of the boat that day and how he complied with all of the
OSHA
<dd>regs
<dd>re a commercial dive operation. Tell us how you had the required on
<dd>board
<dd>recompression chamber and how it worked like your chase boat. Also
<dd>tell us
<dd>what in water communications were in place and what were the depths
<dd>and the
<dd>gases being used? Who was Tai's buddy and what was his experience
<dd>level?
<dd>Isn't it true that this was his deepest dive ever? Isn't it also
true
<dd>that
<dd>when Tai got into trouble his buddy rescued him by shooting him to
the
<dd>surface like a Polaris missile? Tell us how you presided over this
in
<dd>your
<dd>usual professional way. Don't bother denying it. We all know what
<dd>happened. For a guy that just tells the truth you sure do
"lair" a
<dd>lot.<br>
<br>

<dd>You say I am a "lair" and you don't smoke dope anymore.
Then why is
<dd>it that
<dd>you go through life in a state of perpetual dyslexic confusion
<dd>looking like a Jerry Garcia groupie. And why is it that you have
that
<dd>distinct ashen pallor of death that most druggies get after many
years
<dd>of
<dd>continued abuse. Is it your liver or the inbreeding? Or have you
<dd>fried so
<dd>many brain cells that you can no longer be sober and look
normal?<br>
<br>

<dd>Your feeble attempts to discredit me and others is a sham to avoid
the
<dd>above
<dd>questions which you so ignorantly refuse to address. As I have said
<dd>before,
<dd>you do not qualify to be my tank or towel boy.<br>
<br>

<dd>Capt. CF, your stupidity never ceases to amaze me. Do you really
<dd>think that
<dd>your little "private email" would shock or upset me? George
and I
<dd>know each
<dd>other 15 years. I am no more bothered by that "private
email" than he
<dd>would
<dd>be were the reverse to happen. It is internet rhetoric. Nothing
more,
<dd>nothing less. The difference between you and myself is that I see
good
<dd>information and recognize it. You see it and reject it because you
<dd>are mad
<dd>at whomever gives you the advice. I will solve the problem right
now.
<dd>JT,
<dd>PLEASE, PLEASE, DON'T SHOOT YOURSELF IN THE HEAD.<br>
<br>

<dd>Capt. CF, you really need to come down from the tree and put away
the
<dd>banjo.
<dd>People are desperately trying to give you good advice and
information
<dd>and
<dd>you continuously reject it and reliably do the opposite. You are a
<dd>danger
<dd>to all around you. Change your ways. Give up the dope. Get into
<dd>therapy.<br>
<br>

<dd>All of the above said, I seriously question how ANY lucid business
<dd>person
<dd>would allow you to take charge of the lives of their passengers.
<dd>Given all
<dd>of the sound advice you have so ignorantly rejected, were an
incident
<dd>to
<dd>occur I shudder to think of the legal ramifications. Your obvious
<dd>defense
<dd>would be "Diminished Capacity" which of course you would
easily get
<dd>but only
<dd>at the expense of your employers, who would undoubtedly be held
<dd>criminally
<dd>negligent.<br>
<br>

<dd>Dive safe, be safe.<br>
<br>

<dd>Your friend.<br>
<br>

<dd>Joe<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>

<dd>----- Original Message -----
<dd>From: "George Irvine" <trey@my*.ne*>
<dd>To: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>;
"Joe" <joe@po*.co*>;
<dd><trey@my*.ne*>; "Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com"
<techdiver@aquanaut.com>
<dd>Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 3:52 AM
<dd>Subject: Dangerous Idiot was RE: Marguerite's Monkey was RE:
George's
<dd>Scooter Support / WAS - Cheap parts?<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>

<dd>JT, besides you being a petty little wimp, you just can not stick 
to
<dd>the
<dd>subject ( how to safely and properly do these dives) , and you are
<dd>the one
<dd>who is a "lair". I know Joe for 15 years. Still waiting for
him to
<dd>"light
<dd>up".<br>
<br>

<dd>When these guys ( AUE ) first started out I had a big problem with
<dd>some of
<dd>their stroke buddies and told them why, and I told them how I would
<dd>do the
<dd>dives. They did not like my "style", but they knew I was
right about
<dd>the
<dd>diving part, and they eventually got rid of the strokes.<br>
<br>

<dd>They did not like me any better than you do. The difference is that
<dd>these
<dd>guys are not morons like you, are not big egos like you ( in your
case
<dd>totally undeserved), and they have a legitimate program and are not
<dd>out
<dd>trying to prove something like you are.<br>
<br>

<dd>You can keep digging up all the "private" emails you want,
the fact is<br>
<br>

</dl>that
<dl>
<dd>right here and now you are a complete stroke and everyone can see
it.
<dd>You
<dd>want some "private" emails from Kane and Georgitsis about
how
<dd>hopeless you
<dd>are? How about from anyone who has ever seen you in the water or
seen
<dd>your
<dd>act?<br>
<br>

<dd>The facts are that you do now know what the hell you are doing, you
<dd>are
<dd>risking people's lives with your dangerous idiocy, you can't dive 
at
<dd>all,
<dd>you are an obvious moron, and you have no prospects of changing any
of<br>
<br>

</dl>that.
<dl>
<dd>-----Original Message-----
<dd>From: Capt JT
[<a href="mailto:captjt@mi*.co*"
eudora="autourl">mailto:captjt@mi*.co*</a>]
<dd>Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 4:31 PM
<dd>To: Joe; trey@my*.ne*; Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com
<dd>Subject: Re: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter Support /
<dd>WAS
<dd>- Cheap parts?<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>

<dd>Joe, have you been taking lesson on being a lair from G, not one
<dd>thing is
<dd>true in this post. One thing about not telling the truth on a post.
<dd>Everyone who sees you will know mine was right on, no hiding that
<dd>stomach,
<dd>the height, curly hair, or the old face. And if they watch you long
<dd>enough
<dd>you will light up.....<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>

<dd>At 11:09 AM 8/21/02 -0700, Joe wrote:
<dd>Good morning JT:<br>
<br>

<dd>It seems the THC in your system has finally taken its toll. You are
<dd>confused as I not only do not smoke but abhor being around
smoke.<br>
<br>

<dd>You seem a bit cranky. Perhaps you should have some bran with
your<br>
<br>

</dl>banana.
<dl>
<dd>They say that helps. I was also wondering, do you have an
opposable<br>
<br>

</dl>thumb?
<dl>
<dd>I hear you had some problems on the Miss Lindsay this Sunday. Why
<dd>do you
<dd>insist on leaving the chase boat inaccessible and untested on the
<dd>upper<br>
<br>

</dl>deck
<dl>
<dd>when you tie in? Don't you realize you are endangering everyone in
<dd>the
<dd>water when you do that? One day your luck will run out.<br>
<br>

<dd>Cheers.<br>
<br>

<dd>Joe<br>
<br>

<dd>----- Original Message -----
<dd>From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>
<dd>To: <joe@po*.co*>; <trey@my*.ne*>;
<dd>"Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com"
<dd><techdiver@aquanaut.com>
<dd>Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 12:33 PM
<dd>Subject: Re: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter Support /
<dd>WAS -
<dd>Cheap parts?<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>

<dd>I hit the nail on the head with that one, bananas are good for
you.<br>
<br>

</dl>You
<dl>
<dd>just keep on smoking those cancer sticks, dicky do boy........<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>

<dd>At 08:54 PM 8/19/02 -0400, joe@po*.co* wrote:
<dd>JT, have a bananna. You'll feel better.<br>
<br>

<dd>Regards from your friend.<br>
<br>

<dd>Joe<br>
<br>

<dd>----- Original Message -----
<dd>From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>
<dd>To: <joe@po*.co*>; <trey@my*.ne*>;<br>
<br>

</dl>"Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com"
<dl>
<dd><techdiver@aquanaut.com>
<dd>Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 4:54 PM
<dd>Subject: Re: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter Support
/<br>
<br>

</dl>WAS -
<dl>
<dd>Cheap parts?<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>

<dd>I had dinner at an Italian restaurant over the weekend and 
there<br>
<br>

</dl>was
<dl>
<dd>this
<dd>little curly haired old guy who looked like a woman does in her<br>
<br>

</dl>8th
<dl>
<dd>month
<dd>with that stomach sticking out there, sitting at the bar
enjoying<br>
<br>

</dl>his
<dl>
<dd>drink
<dd>and cigarettes. Kinda reminded me of that guy Joe in the AUE<br>
<br>

</dl>group.
<dl>
<dd>At 03:44 PM 8/17/02 -0400, joe@po*.co* wrote:
<dd>Funny thing about the monkey. I ran into Marguerite the other<br>
<br>

</dl>day
<dl>
<dd>and
<dd>she
<dd>told me she had taught him to shave his body. He figured he<br>
<br>

</dl>could
<dl>
<dd>pass
<dd>himself off as a person and ran away to Hollywood to star in 
the<br>
<br>

</dl>next
<dl>
<dd>version of Planet of The Apes. When he found out they weren't<br>
<br>

</dl>doing
<dl>
<dd>another
<dd>sequel he moved to Virginia Beach where he took a job as a boat<br>
<br>

</dl>captain
<dl>
<dd>named JT.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>

<dd>----- Original Message -----
<dd>From: "George Irvine" <trey@my*.ne*>
<dd>To: "Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com"
<techdiver@aquanaut.com>
<dd>Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 10:08 AM
<dd>Subject: RE: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter
Support<br>
<br>

</dl>/
<dl>
<dd>WAS -
<dd>Cheap parts?<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>

<dd>JT, the bottom line is that you are not qualified to comment<br>
<br>

</dl>on
<dl>
<dd>anything
<dd>in
<dd>diving, and you have proven it repeatedly. You are a bad<br>
<br>

</dl>imitation
<dl>
<dd>of
<dd>what
<dd>the rest of us do so easily and a complete stroke by anyone's<br>
<br>

</dl>measure,
<dl>
<dd>from
<dd>attitude to execution. Anyone who has seen you in the water<br>
<br>

</dl>knows
<dl>
<dd>you
<dd>are
<dd>pathetic, anyone who had read your slop on here knows you are<br>
<br>

</dl>an
<dl>
<dd>illiterate
<dd>moron.<br>
<br>

<dd>Just as in Rodney's motor thing with Christina, had she paid<br>
<br>

</dl>Rod
<dl>
<dd>for
<dd>a
<dd>fast motor, she would have had one to start with. You are a<br>
<br>

</dl>nickel
<dl>
<dd>rocket
<dd>of massive proportions, and it shows in all you say , do , and<br>
<br>

</dl>use.
<dl>
<dd>You
<dd>caught Cobb bailing out of diving ( the right thing for anyone<br>
<br>

</dl>to
<dl>
<dd>do
<dd>who
<dd>is
<dd>subject to your perpetual risk creation) and got his prototype<br>
<br>

</dl>scooter
<dl>
<dd>cheap, so either sell it back to me or shut up. There is no<br>
<br>

</dl>way
<dl>
<dd>any of
<dd>you
<dd>would have paid for the clutch, and you would not need it if<br>
<br>

</dl>you
<dl>
<dd>were
<dd>not
<dd>so incompetent .<br>
<br>

<dd>You have an obvious reading problem. I said I bought $8,000<br>
<br>

</dl>worth
<dl>
<dd>of
<dd>Arnie
<dd>clutches that I thought I would never get rid of, since most<br>
<br>

</dl>people do
<dl>
<dd>not
<dd>need them. I still have more than I will likely be able to<br>
<br>

</dl>legitimately
<dl>
<dd>ask
<dd>anyone to buy. Scooters are my life support, and staying<br>
<br>

</dl>constantly
<dl>
<dd>hands
<dd>on
<dd>with them keeps me and
<dd>my team alive in the scooter dependent diving we do , and<br>
<br>

</dl>selling
<dl>
<dd>them
<dd>to
<dd>other groups helps finance the WKPP exploration activities. If<br>
<br>

</dl>you
<dl>
<dd>don't
<dd>like that, too bad - for people like you there is Rodney. If<br>
<br>

</dl>you
<dl>
<dd>don't
<dd>like
<dd>the clutch , complain to Mako. In addition, you moron, we do<br>
<br>

</dl>not
<dl>
<dd>use
<dd>the
<dd>wreck scooter in the WKPP in the first place, we use the PVC<br>
<br>

</dl>standard
<dl>
<dd>version.<br>
<br>

<dd>Most people buy the clutches directly form Arnie or NE Scuba.<br>
<br>

</dl>The
<dl>
<dd>only
<dd>thing that needs to be known about this is that the washers<br>
<br>

</dl>for
<dl>
<dd>the
<dd>other
<dd>clutch will not work with the Arnie , so when they get them<br>
<br>

</dl>installed
<dl>
<dd>by
<dd>me
<dd>, I use the correct washers. I am sure you are going to make<br>
<br>

</dl>this
<dl>
<dd>mistake
<dd>if you can scrape together the 100 bucks or whatever he<br>
<br>

</dl>charges
<dl>
<dd>for
<dd>them.
<dd>Maybe you could make up a cardboard sign that says. "Will
work<br>
<br>

</dl>for
<dl>
<dd>clutch"
<dd>and stand at a busy streetcorner and collect the money to buy<br>
<br>

</dl>one.
<dl>
<dd>This list for you is an effort to make yourself look like a<br>
<br>

</dl>tough
<dl>
<dd>guy,
<dd>but
<dd>all you are doing is making yourself look like one of Jerry's<br>
<br>

</dl>Kids.
<dl>
<dd>Your
<dd>constant efforts to fight with me are not going to work, no<br>
<br>

</dl>matter
<dl>
<dd>how
<dd>personal you try to get. You have proven yourself to be an<br>
<br>

</dl>incapable
<dl>
<dd>diver
<dd>with a stroke attitude who has almost nobody left willing to<br>
<br>

</dl>risk
<dl>
<dd>diving
<dd>with you and certainly nobody willing to listen to you any<br>
<br>

</dl>more.
<dl>
<dd>You
<dd>are
<dd>incapable of learning anything, and I just hope you don't kill<br>
<br>

</dl>anyone,
<dl>
<dd>even
<dd>yourself, since the assholes would claim it to be a "DIR<br>
<br>

</dl>death."
<dl>
<dd>even
<dd>though you have no clue what DIR is.<br>
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