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Mike, this is the last such post I will make. This thread was long gone the minute we got off the real topic. Which is what G always wants. I posted the defects of the scooters and he did not like it as it will open some eyes up about them. The same thing I did about the Halycon lift bags that they said I sent up from to deep. Yet you guys were having trouble with them at 100ft. But I was the one who had the balls to tell the truth about them and post it, you guys finally sent an email to JJ to complain. I took all the heat on the list from the DIR crowd lead by G. Then at almost a year later THEY say the bags were defective. How many were sold? The guys had problems with the scooters, I posted the truth about them. You are an asshole , but I thought you had balls. I was wrong about that part. I guess you would not have to purchase a scooter if one was given to you to use. Which brings us to the question.......do you really think the athletes who do commercials for cereals, soups, and other crap really eat that stuff. Everyone has a price and now we know yours. JT At 08:29 AM 8/27/02 +0000, Michael Barnette wrote: >Hi JT: > >I will go ahead and indulge you with one post to bring some truth to the >BS you keep offering, and to help set the record straight about the >scooters, which you continue to babble about. > >"Well, now that we know the AUE guys are buying the scooters from you, we >now know that is why you like them. They will not get on hear (sic) and >tell everyone if they are having any problems with them, the code of >silence thing again." > >NO ONE IN AUE HAS EVER PURCHASED A "WRECK" GAVIN FROM GEORGE IRVINE. > >First, if anyone is interested in my "relationship" with George, or what >we think of each other, feel free to check the archives. Further JT, I am >sure you can also provide numerous "private e-mails" to illustrate what >George thinks of us or what I think of George. However, when it comes to >improving my diving or the success of our dives, I put the BS aside and >will talk and try and work with anyone. That is the "Tao of George" - he >is a monumental asshole on the internet, but he honestly cares about >diving and people's safety, as evident to anyone that picks up a phone and >talks to the guy. I am a stroke and he is a dick, but we still care about >improving diving, each in our own charming way. I am sorry you can't put >your pride and ego aside to better your diving JT. > >Second, only one individual in AUE has ever purchased *any* scooter from >George, and that was for caves. There just was no need as a couple of our >guys have several already. George was gracious enough to unconditionally >loan several "wreck" scooters to us, though currently we only have one >wreck scooter. When I inquired about the responsibilty for fixing a >broken scooter should something happen (as I couldn't afford to pay for a >new one), he told me to not worry about anything. In fact, he wanted us >to try and bust it. He was interested if the new winding would burn up >the brushboard. I told George straight up that I would tell him exactly >how the scooter performed and acknowledged that they were prototype. I >also told him before accepting the scooter that I would tell it like it is >and not hide anything, should anyone ask. Further, I told him I was not >comfortable with continually and blatantly endorsing any product, hence >the lack of kudos to date. He did not place any restrictions or >conditions on me, in case you are wondering. > >In fact, I probably carry a bit of Irvine baggage around with me to the >point that I was hoping the scooter would be a miserable failure so I >could slam him should I tragically get infected with "JT Syndrome." >Unfortunately, George let me down in this respect as the scooters have >worked like a champ. > >The first scooter he quickly set up for us and had not sealed the >compartment as he wanted us to take it with us in the water that weekend; >the thing was hours old when it first got wet. That one worked fine and >may have ended up with your group or somewhere else after he completed >it. The next one (received the next week) I got has worked fine and we >have put many, many dives on it. In fact, I think (but am not positive) >we were busy diving these well before your guys were even playing with >them in the quarries. Since you like chest beating so much and you are so >fond about telling people how many more dives you do than everyone else, >let me speak in your language and clue you in: we do more tech dives in a >month than you do all year (my apologies to the U.S. Army for borrowing >their motto). > >My thoughts on the "wreck" scooter: > >- It will not beat the Florida Current, though I don't know of any that >can. I have been pushed back by a significant current (3kts+) or been >stopped cold by the accelerated flow around the edges of a wreck. The >speed is not significantly faster than a standard Gavin*. (*Citelli has a >very fast standard Gavin that he constructed and I can gain a body length >or two every 100 feet or so, but his is not really standard. I have run >it against some other standard Gavins and it is a little more noticeable, >but anyone understands that the motors are all not exactly the same. The >increased speed is especially important on descent, as you have to be >cognizant about keeping with your buddy on deep free-drops in heavy current.) >- The HDPE scratches/gouges easier than the PVC, though this is mostly >cosmetic. While you have to be careful of the edges of the tube on the >PVC body, you have to be even moreso with the HDPE. >- The struts have held up very well. We wondered if this would be a weak >spot of the scooter, but they have easily endured the abuse. >- The reduction in weight and size at first does not seem significant, but >it makes a difference on a small boat. It also makes it easy to lay in >your lap while waiting for deployment on the gunwale. >- The burn time appears to be about the same as a standard Gavin. I think >I am getting 50 minutes of continuous burn time though it is hard to tell >starting and stopping as we do on wreck dives. In any case, it is more >than enough for 2-3 typical wreck dives. >- Other than that, the scooter has been very sweet. We have had *zero* >problems with ours. > >FWIW, if I primarily/frequently dove off small boats and did not cave >dive, I would go with the wreck scooter. The standard Gavin is bulletproof. > >I don't know or don't care about your issues with parts and service. I >only know that I could ask George a question anytime and get a response >ASAP should I need it, and as I stated before, I was not even a paying >customer. > >"did you notice he has not answered the Mike Pizzo thing, we know that >Mike dives with the AUE group" > >Mike Pizzio has been on two open-boat trips with us, the exact same number >of trips you have done with us JT. Unlike you, I consider Mike a good >friend. I don't agree with some aspects of his diving (in particular >gear), but he is solid in the water and exhibits good fundamental skills >-- also, unlike you. Mike is a big boy and free to either dive as he >wishes, or perhaps further embrace some of our diving preferences. In >either case, I will still consider him a good friend. > >As many people have stated, Joe Citelli does not smoke. Period. You did >not see him smoke when you were down here unless you were experiencing >some residual effects from your past "experiments." Either show us a >picture of Joe hanging out with Joe Camel or pick some other lie that >might be a tad more believeble. > >As for the "AUE accident" you keep dredging up, I see you are having fun >distorting the facts and making a mountain out of a molehill. So be >it. I could keep trying to correct you but it just ain't worth >it. Stupid is as stupid does. > >Go ahead and have fun continuing to lash out at others and (borrowing your >favorite euphamism) bashing people's dicks. I can't play any longer and I >am sure most people on the list are bored with these antics. This is the >primary reason the UWEX list was formed and why it is so well-received. >FWIW, George is still a dick and I am still a stroke -- we know, we know.... > >BTW, I came across an old e-mail that compared you to Darth Vader or >something. That was truely funny but a bit off. You are more like Yoda >-- not because of skills but because you have the same dyslexic speech >pattern as that freak. "Ah, stupid this JT one is." > >Dive safe (I really mean that JT). > >Michael C. Barnette >Association of Underwater Explorers >Because it's there...somewhere...maybe. >http://www.mikey.net/aue > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com > >-- >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. "You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in the water" Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/ Email captjt@mi*.co* -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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