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Jim, I told you all they were prototype and to work with me on any issues.
JT is incapable of doing that due to his false pride. I don't care how many
screwups he has had, I am not "hammering" him over anything but his
unwillingness to learn and his unwillingness to ask. I am hammering him over
doing the same things over and over. He just keeps telling me I don't know
and that he does know, and that is clearly a function of his having no clue
what he is talking about and no willingness to listen to those who know a
hell of a lot more than he does. Andrew G told me exactly the same thing
about his efforts with JT. He is a waste of time.
You got the first one of those scooters I ever made. You were supposed to
stay in touch with me to work out any issues .You will recall that I used
two different winds of experimental motors on your scooters. So far I have
only heard from one of you about anything , and nothing from that idiot JT
other than his slop on the lists.
Barnette and the others who have them, on the other hand, keep me updated on
the conditions of the scooters. There are now several of the wreck scooters
in existence, and several hundred of the cave scooters. The military has
several, police forces have them, most organized ( non stroke) dive teams
have them, and the two record holding distance dive teams have them. Once
the motor and other issues are certain, you can install which ever clutch
you want and locktite if you want, but the thing will not come unscrewed
unless the clutch is pushed back from the shear pin or the screw is stripped
, which will happen if it is removed and replaced more than one time. Sure,
it would be nice if them made them with a reverse thread, but they do not,
so other solutions must be used.
All any of you have to do is ask, but that is just too much for a moron like
JT and the rest of you are listening to that clown. He never had a real
scooter before, what the hell makes you think he has any clue what is what
with this one?
Personally, I do not locktite mine, I use the minimum number of washers so
it will slip if I put my pinkie in the blades, and that does not put enough
pressure on the screw to unwind it. If you guys need something different,
you need to talk to me about it, or you will not get a solution from the
person who knows best.
And, just so you know, the people who specify that they want what I ride,
which is a Magnum PVC Gavin with expensive batteries and clutch rigged
loose, get just that only it costs more money.Certainly a lot more than JT
was willing to spend. Reinhard and Michael with their team and fleet of
these scooters just yesterday pushed Doux de Coly Cave out to over 18,000
feet. Reinhard has no problem discussing how every little thing we do is
done directly with me, and he has the results to prove it, just as have the
results using the rebreather he built for me.
You can share information with the best, or you can fight and argue with the
best. I have been making scooters, winding motors, sharing data ,technology
and information and receiving data and information from the best for years.
Most of you have a real hard time doing that due to self-imposed ego
restraints ( not you personally, Jim, but your boy and others like him).
In any event, the wreck scooters is the best thing for boat diving and the
other is the best for cave diving, and I can recommend what is needed for
each type of condition and do it for the least amount of money. You do not
need what I ride to do what you guys go, and in fact I use what you use when
I do that kind of diving. As anyone, including you yourself know, I am
ALWAYS accessible by phone or email. Wait, I take that back. Last night when
Reinhard called me to tell me he was ok and back safely from his record
dive, I did not hear the phone ring due to being 8 rows back at Pompano
Beach Amphitheatre listening to Dream Theatre and Joe Satriani, but I did
phone him back this morning to hear about his dive .
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Cobb [mailto:cobber@ci*.co*]
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 11:03 AM
To: George Irvine
Cc: Joe; Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com; vbtech@ci*.co*; Capt JT
Subject: Re: Back to the issues - Capt. CF - was Re: Dangerous Idiot was
RE: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter Support / WAS - Cheap
parts?
George-
I don't feel I need to defend JT, he is a big boy and can do that himself.
But I do need to call bullshit when I see it. Yes you guys did come up and
dive with us and I appreciate it. JT appreciated it too, he opened his house
up to both you, JJ on your visit and then to Andrew and Mike when they came
up to teach the fundamentals class.
JT has bent over backwards to hear the DIR/GUE side of the story. Hell, we
all went down there to return the favor and see how you guys do it. Why JT
wants to butt heads with you over every little thing, I guess you have to
ask JT, because I don't know. I do know that when I did deep dives the
person I wanted to have on the boat was JT because he sweats the details,
and therein lies the devil, as you well know. You and several other people
on this list are slamming JT for having a few screwed up dives. The reason
you know about these screwed up dives is that he told you, me and everybody
else about what happened. JT broke the "code of silence" which is apparently
alive and well and fully enforced down there in Florida.
And there are so many assholes and idiots out there doing goofy, dangerous
shit:
http://www.wr350.com/photos/axl%20by%20albert%20014%20small.jpg
Did you know that Mike Pizzio is involved with this clusterfuck waiting to
happen? Where the hell is DIR now? This is the kind of crap you and Joe need
to be hammering, not JT.
As far as this pissing match over the scooters, I am dismayed over a
couple of things. For one I feel responsible for all the guys purchasing
your scooter after you sold me that prototype. The guys saw the logic of
getting a scooter for depth as, once you get one, you realize that a scooter
is not a lazy way to get around but a actual piece of life support
equipment. A scooter can save your ass on a deep dive, conserve your gas and
keep you from getting bent.
And the fact is that while your scooters have the engineering down better
than anyone else, your QA sucks and everybody had problems with their
scooters other than me. It made me look bad and I don't like that any more
than you do. I have no doubt in my mind that you stick behind your products
100% up to and including buying them back if the customer is not satisfied.
What would be better, and what everybody wants, is not to ship the scooter
back for a refund, but that the darn things are de-bugged before shipment.
If we are to do the debugging, fine, that should be stated and it never was.
All this clutch bruhaha is not about the clutch at all. It is about a
screw backing out allowing a sacrificial clutch component to fry out. Hell,
one prop assembly fell apart in the water right after the diver entered the
water. This is not encouraging stuff for something we consider life support
equipment. As far as the guys were concerned they had just bought the
scooter that went 18,000 ft and is used by some of the best divers on earth.
I figure that problem would be solved by just using lock-tight on this
critical screw, the fix would be that simple.
Instead this has become a full-blown pissing match between two people who
I like and respect and I hate to see it happen. I truly wish you and JT
would figure out this scooter thing and make the "wrecker special" as
reliable as the "cave special" as I'm sure it can be. You have some powerful
proponents of the DIR system here in Virginia Beach and it would really be a
shame if they were all alienated over a dumb screw.
I know that you have been around a long time, George, and I also know that
you are almost invariably right (much to the consternation of many on this
list). But I think you are wrong about JT. You two may never see eye to eye
but JT is very much into not only himself surviving the dive but everybody
else on the boat, within the realm of reality. Those last 5 words are very
important. You can strive to gain true DIR precepts, but at some point you
have to bow to reality or quit diving. It's like taking a half-step to a
wall, you will always get closer and closer but you won't ever actually get
there. At some point you have to deal with your situation and do the best
you can. And JT and others up here are doing the best they can with what
they've got.
Jim
On Friday, August 23, 2002, at 06:49 AM, George Irvine wrote:
Jim, a bunch of us came up there and dove with all of you and JT did not
want to hear anything from us about how we think it should be done. I
came
up later and went over all of it again. Andrew G came up there and did
it
one more time. JT will listen to nobody, and somebody or sombodies will
die
as a result. Quit defending the guy. He is wrong, and there is no hiding
his
attitude about diving. I think he is a lost cause and needs to be given
a
wide berth. Even if he did things "right", his head is in a dangerous
place.
I have been around a long time, Jim, and I have yet to be wrong about
something like this. The best advice I can give anyone is to avoid
people
who think this way.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Cobb [mailto:cobber@ci*.co*]
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 9:35 PM
To: Joe
Cc: Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com; trey@my*.ne*; vbtech@ci*.co*; Capt
JT
Subject: Re: Back to the issues - Capt. CF - was Re: Dangerous Idiot was
RE: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter Support / WAS - Cheap
parts?
Hey Joe, you are down there and I am up here. I can state without
reservation that you don't know what in the fuck you are talking about.
Believe me I know what it's like sitting behind a keyboard and carping
at people. But at least I do a half-assed attempt to get the facts
straight, something you obviously have not done.
If you have a problem with JT you need to come up here and dive and
show us how it's done. If you don't want to do that then why don't you
shut the fuck up.
If you can prove to me that you have never done an deep dive on
anything other than a perfect boat with perfect support and perfect
partners and every single one of your dives have been perfect and error
free then, to use another oft stated saw; "I will kiss your ass in
Macey's window".
What I'd like to hear from you (christ, from *anybody* south of
Morehead City) of one of your "less than perfect" dives, how you
survived it and what lessons you learned. I doubt we will hear anything
like this from you as it take courage to admit your mistakes. I don't
think you have the balls to do it.
People tell me that you are a super experienced, ultra accomplished
diver. But you never offer one piece of advice, no data, not one single
lesson learned. All you can do is sit behind your keyboard and do this
vendetta against me, JT or anybody else you happen to dislike.
How about belaying the BS and give us some information. Give us a "I
learned about diving from that" story. If you truly have the track
record everybody says you do, I will bet you have quite a few.
Jim
On Thursday, August 22, 2002, at 09:27 PM, Joe wrote:
Dear Capt. CF:
Since you are quite obviously an aberration resulting from generations
of
inbreeding, I will help you along here by redirecting your limited
attention
span to the issues originally discussed. Please uncross your eyes if
that
is possible.
Please explain to the list which is worse, having a chase boat which
may or
may not work stowed on the top deck of the dive boat while anchored on
a
dive, OR, the compounding of this stupidity by putting decompression
bottles
and a hangbar under the boat while the Captain sleeps.
Or, perhaps you claim that you no longer do this and that the
chaseboat is
deployed in good working order before divers enter the water and you
no
longer irresponsibly leave it on the top deck in a state of disrepair,
making the effective rescue of a distressed diver next to impossible?
Which
is it? Please tell us.
While I am at it, please explain to everyone why the Miss Lindsey and
its
owner are not welcome in the Bahamas anymore. Shall I go on?
I think I will.
Please tell us about the non commercial, commercial dive that you got
paid
for which resulted in the death of Tai Wilkerson. Please tell us who
was
captain of the boat that day and how he complied with all of the OSHA
regs
re a commercial dive operation. Tell us how you had the required on
board
recompression chamber and how it worked like your chase boat. Also
tell us
what in water communications were in place and what were the depths
and the
gases being used? Who was Tai's buddy and what was his experience
level?
Isn't it true that this was his deepest dive ever? Isn't it also true
that
when Tai got into trouble his buddy rescued him by shooting him to the
surface like a Polaris missile? Tell us how you presided over this in
your
usual professional way. Don't bother denying it. We all know what
happened. For a guy that just tells the truth you sure do "lair" a
lot.
You say I am a "lair" and you don't smoke dope anymore. Then why is
it that
you go through life in a state of perpetual dyslexic confusion
looking like a Jerry Garcia groupie. And why is it that you have that
distinct ashen pallor of death that most druggies get after many years
of
continued abuse. Is it your liver or the inbreeding? Or have you
fried so
many brain cells that you can no longer be sober and look normal?
Your feeble attempts to discredit me and others is a sham to avoid the
above
questions which you so ignorantly refuse to address. As I have said
before,
you do not qualify to be my tank or towel boy.
Capt. CF, your stupidity never ceases to amaze me. Do you really
think that
your little "private email" would shock or upset me? George and I
know each
other 15 years. I am no more bothered by that "private email" than he
would
be were the reverse to happen. It is internet rhetoric. Nothing more,
nothing less. The difference between you and myself is that I see good
information and recognize it. You see it and reject it because you
are mad
at whomever gives you the advice. I will solve the problem right now.
JT,
PLEASE, PLEASE, DON'T SHOOT YOURSELF IN THE HEAD.
Capt. CF, you really need to come down from the tree and put away the
banjo.
People are desperately trying to give you good advice and information
and
you continuously reject it and reliably do the opposite. You are a
danger
to all around you. Change your ways. Give up the dope. Get into
therapy.
All of the above said, I seriously question how ANY lucid business
person
would allow you to take charge of the lives of their passengers.
Given all
of the sound advice you have so ignorantly rejected, were an incident
to
occur I shudder to think of the legal ramifications. Your obvious
defense
would be "Diminished Capacity" which of course you would easily get
but only
at the expense of your employers, who would undoubtedly be held
criminally
negligent.
Dive safe, be safe.
Your friend.
Joe
----- Original Message -----
From: "George Irvine" <trey@my*.ne*>
To: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>; "Joe" <joe@po*.co*>;
<trey@my*.ne*>; "Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 3:52 AM
Subject: Dangerous Idiot was RE: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's
Scooter Support / WAS - Cheap parts?
JT, besides you being a petty little wimp, you just can not stick to
the
subject ( how to safely and properly do these dives) , and you are
the one
who is a "lair". I know Joe for 15 years. Still waiting for him to
"light
up".
When these guys ( AUE ) first started out I had a big problem with
some of
their stroke buddies and told them why, and I told them how I would
do the
dives. They did not like my "style", but they knew I was right about
the
diving part, and they eventually got rid of the strokes.
They did not like me any better than you do. The difference is that
these
guys are not morons like you, are not big egos like you ( in your
case
totally undeserved), and they have a legitimate program and are not
out
trying to prove something like you are.
You can keep digging up all the "private" emails you want, the fact
is
that
right here and now you are a complete stroke and everyone can see
it.
You
want some "private" emails from Kane and Georgitsis about how
hopeless you
are? How about from anyone who has ever seen you in the water or
seen
your
act?
The facts are that you do now know what the hell you are doing, you
are
risking people's lives with your dangerous idiocy, you can't dive at
all,
you are an obvious moron, and you have no prospects of changing any
of
that.
-----Original Message-----
From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 4:31 PM
To: Joe; trey@my*.ne*; Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com
Subject: Re: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter Support /
WAS
- Cheap parts?
Joe, have you been taking lesson on being a lair from G, not one
thing is
true in this post. One thing about not telling the truth on a post.
Everyone who sees you will know mine was right on, no hiding that
stomach,
the height, curly hair, or the old face. And if they watch you long
enough
you will light up.....
At 11:09 AM 8/21/02 -0700, Joe wrote:
Good morning JT:
It seems the THC in your system has finally taken its toll. You
are
confused as I not only do not smoke but abhor being around smoke.
You seem a bit cranky. Perhaps you should have some bran with your
banana.
They say that helps. I was also wondering, do you have an
opposable
thumb?
I hear you had some problems on the Miss Lindsay this Sunday. Why
do you
insist on leaving the chase boat inaccessible and untested on the
upper
deck
when you tie in? Don't you realize you are endangering everyone in
the
water when you do that? One day your luck will run out.
Cheers.
Joe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>
To: <joe@po*.co*>; <trey@my*.ne*>;
"Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com"
<techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter Support
/
WAS -
Cheap parts?
I hit the nail on the head with that one, bananas are good for
you.
You
just keep on smoking those cancer sticks, dicky do boy........
At 08:54 PM 8/19/02 -0400, joe@po*.co* wrote:
JT, have a bananna. You'll feel better.
Regards from your friend.
Joe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>
To: <joe@po*.co*>; <trey@my*.ne*>;
"Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com"
<techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter
Support /
WAS -
Cheap parts?
I had dinner at an Italian restaurant over the weekend and
there
was
this
little curly haired old guy who looked like a woman does in
her
8th
month
with that stomach sticking out there, sitting at the bar
enjoying
his
drink
and cigarettes. Kinda reminded me of that guy Joe in the AUE
group.
At 03:44 PM 8/17/02 -0400, joe@po*.co* wrote:
Funny thing about the monkey. I ran into Marguerite the
other
day
and
she
told me she had taught him to shave his body. He figured
he
could
pass
himself off as a person and ran away to Hollywood to star
in the
next
version of Planet of The Apes. When he found out they
weren't
doing
another
sequel he moved to Virginia Beach where he took a job as a
boat
captain
named JT.
----- Original Message -----
From: "George Irvine" <trey@my*.ne*>
To: "Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 10:08 AM
Subject: RE: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter
Support
/
WAS -
Cheap parts?
JT, the bottom line is that you are not qualified to
comment
on
anything
in
diving, and you have proven it repeatedly. You are a bad
imitation
of
what
the rest of us do so easily and a complete stroke by
anyone's
measure,
from
attitude to execution. Anyone who has seen you in the
water
knows
you
are
pathetic, anyone who had read your slop on here knows
you are
an
illiterate
moron.
Just as in Rodney's motor thing with Christina, had she
paid
Rod
for
a
fast motor, she would have had one to start with. You
are a
nickel
rocket
of massive proportions, and it shows in all you say , do
, and
use.
You
caught Cobb bailing out of diving ( the right thing for
anyone
to
do
who
is
subject to your perpetual risk creation) and got his
prototype
scooter
cheap, so either sell it back to me or shut up. There is
no
way
any of
you
would have paid for the clutch, and you would not need
it if
you
were
not
so incompetent .
You have an obvious reading problem. I said I bought
$8,000
worth
of
Arnie
clutches that I thought I would never get rid of, since
most
people do
not
need them. I still have more than I will likely be able
to
legitimately
ask
anyone to buy. Scooters are my life support, and staying
constantly
hands
on
with them keeps me and
my team alive in the scooter dependent diving we do ,
and
selling
them
to
other groups helps finance the WKPP exploration
activities. If
you
don't
like that, too bad - for people like you there is
Rodney. If
you
don't
like
the clutch , complain to Mako. In addition, you moron,
we do
not
use
the
wreck scooter in the WKPP in the first place, we use the
PVC
standard
version.
Most people buy the clutches directly form Arnie or NE
Scuba.
The
only
thing that needs to be known about this is that the
washers
for
the
other
clutch will not work with the Arnie , so when they get
them
installed
by
me
, I use the correct washers. I am sure you are going to
make
this
mistake
if you can scrape together the 100 bucks or whatever he
charges
for
them.
Maybe you could make up a cardboard sign that says.
"Will work
for
clutch"
and stand at a busy streetcorner and collect the money
to buy
one.
This list for you is an effort to make yourself look
like a
tough
guy,
but
all you are doing is making yourself look like one of
Jerry's
Kids.
Your
constant efforts to fight with me are not going to work,
no
matter
how
personal you try to get. You have proven yourself to be
an
incapable
diver
with a stroke attitude who has almost nobody left
willing to
risk
diving
with you and certainly nobody willing to listen to you
any
more.
You
are
incapable of learning anything, and I just hope you
don't kill
anyone,
even
yourself, since the assholes would claim it to be a "DIR
death."
even
though you have no clue what DIR is.
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There are now <SPAN class=3D817480322-23082002>several</SPAN> of =
the wreck=20
scooters<SPAN class=3D817480322-23082002> </SPAN>in existence, and =
several hundred=20
of the cave scooters. The military has<SPAN class=3D817480322-23082002>=20
</SPAN>several, police forces have them, most organized ( non stroke) =
dive=20
teams<SPAN class=3D817480322-23082002> </SPAN>have them, and the two =
record=20
holding distance dive teams have them.<SPAN class=3D817480322-23082002>=20
</SPAN>Once the motor and other issues are certain, you can install =
which=20
ever<SPAN class=3D817480322-23082002> </SPAN>clutch you want and =
locktite if you=20
want, but the thing will not come<SPAN class=3D817480322-23082002>=20
</SPAN>unscrewed unless the clutch is pushed back from the shear pin or =
the=20
screw<SPAN class=3D817480322-23082002> </SPAN>is stripped , which will =
happen if=20
it is removed and replaced more than one<SPAN =
class=3D817480322-23082002>=20
</SPAN>time. Sure, it would be nice if them made them with a reverse =
thread,=20
but<SPAN class=3D817480322-23082002> </SPAN>they do not, so other =
solutions must=20
be used.</P>
<P>All any of you have to do is ask<SPAN class=3D817480322-23082002>, =
but that is=20
just too much for a moron like JT and the rest of you are listening to =
that=20
clown. He never had a real scooter before, what the hell makes you think =
he has=20
any clue what is what with this one?</SPAN></P>
<P>Personally, I do not locktite mine, I use the minimum number of =
washers=20
so<SPAN class=3D817480322-23082002> </SPAN>it will slip if I put my =
pinkie in the=20
blades, and that does not put enough<SPAN class=3D817480322-23082002>=20
</SPAN>pressure on the screw to unwind it. <SPAN=20
class=3D817480322-23082002>If y</SPAN>ou guys need something =
different, =20
you <SPAN class=3D817480322-23082002>need to talk</SPAN> to me =
about=20
it, <SPAN class=3D817480322-23082002>or </SPAN>you will not get a =
solution=20
from the<SPAN class=3D817480322-23082002> </SPAN>person who knows =
best.</P>
<P>And, just so you know, the people who specify that they want what I=20
ride,<SPAN class=3D817480322-23082002> </SPAN>which is a Magnum PVC =
Gavin with=20
expensive batteries and clutch rigged<SPAN class=3D817480322-23082002>=20
</SPAN>loose, get just that only it costs more money.<SPAN=20
class=3D817480322-23082002>Certainly a lot more than JT was willing to =
spend.=20
</SPAN>Reinhard and Michael with<SPAN class=3D817480322-23082002> =
</SPAN>their=20
team and fleet of these scooters just yesterday pushed Doux de Coly<SPAN =
class=3D817480322-23082002> </SPAN>Cave out to over 18,000 feet. =
Reinhard has no=20
problem discussing how every<SPAN class=3D817480322-23082002> =
</SPAN>little thing=20
we do is done directly with me, and he has the results to<SPAN=20
class=3D817480322-23082002> </SPAN>prove it, just as have the results =
using the=20
rebreather he built for me.</P>
<P>You can share information with the best, or you can fight and argue =
with<SPAN=20
class=3D817480322-23082002> </SPAN>the best. I have been making =
scooters, winding=20
motors, sharing data ,technology and information and receiving data and=20
information from the best<SPAN class=3D817480322-23082002> </SPAN>for =
years. Most=20
of you have a real hard time doing that due to self-imposed<SPAN=20
class=3D817480322-23082002> </SPAN>ego restraints ( not you personally, =
Jim, but=20
your boy and others like<SPAN class=3D817480322-23082002> =
</SPAN>him).</P>
<P>In any event, the wreck scooters is the best thing for boat diving =
and=20
the<SPAN class=3D817480322-23082002> </SPAN>other is the best for cave =
diving, and=20
I can recommend what is needed for<SPAN class=3D817480322-23082002> =
</SPAN>each=20
type of condition and do it for the least amount of money. You do =
not<SPAN=20
class=3D817480322-23082002> </SPAN>need what I ride to do what you guys =
go, and in=20
fact I use what you use<SPAN class=3D817480322-23082002> </SPAN>when I =
do that=20
kind of diving. As anyone, including you yourself know, I am<SPAN=20
class=3D817480322-23082002> </SPAN>ALWAYS accessible by phone or email. =
Wait, I=20
take that back. Last night<SPAN class=3D817480322-23082002> </SPAN>when =
Reinhard=20
called me to tell me he was ok and back safely from his<SPAN=20
class=3D817480322-23082002> </SPAN>record dive, I did not hear the phone =
ring due=20
to being 8 rows back at<SPAN class=3D817480322-23082002> </SPAN>Pompano =
Beach=20
Amphitheatre listening to Dream Theatre and Joe Satriani, but<SPAN=20
class=3D817480322-23082002> </SPAN>I did phone him back this morning to =
hear about=20
his dive<SPAN class=3D817480322-23082002> .</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=3D817480322-23082002><FONT face=3DArial
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </P></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Jim Cobb=20
[mailto:cobber@ci*.co*]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, August 23, =
2002 11:03=20
AM<BR><B>To:</B> George Irvine<BR><B>Cc:</B> Joe; =
Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com;=20
vbtech@ci*.co*; Capt JT<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Back to the =
issues -=20
Capt. CF - was Re: Dangerous Idiot was RE: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: =
George's Scooter Support / WAS - Cheap=20
parts?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>George-<BR><BR>I don't feel I
need to =
defend JT, he=20
is a big boy and can do that himself. But I do need to call bullshit =
when I=20
see it. Yes you guys did come up and dive with us and I appreciate it. =
JT=20
appreciated it too, he opened his house up to both you, JJ on your =
visit and=20
then to Andrew and Mike when they came up to teach the fundamentals=20
class.<BR><BR>JT has bent over backwards to hear the DIR/GUE side of =
the=20
story. Hell, we all went down there to return the favor and see how =
you guys=20
do it. Why JT wants to butt heads with you over every little thing, I =
guess=20
you have to ask JT, because I don't know. I do know that when I did =
deep dives=20
the person I wanted to have on the boat was JT because he sweats the =
details,=20
and therein lies the devil, as you well know. You and several other =
people on=20
this list are slamming JT for having a few screwed up dives. The =
reason you=20
know about these screwed up dives is that he told you, me and =
everybody else=20
about what happened. JT broke the "code of silence" which is =
apparently alive=20
and well and fully enforced down there in Florida.<BR><BR>And there =
are so=20
many assholes and idiots out there doing goofy, dangerous =
shit:<BR><BR><U><?color><?param =
1A1A,1A1A,FFFF>http://www.wr350.com/photos/axl%20by%20albert%20014%20smal=
l.jpg<BR><?/color></U><BR>Did=20
you know that Mike Pizzio is involved with this clusterfuck waiting to =
happen?=20
Where the hell is DIR now? This is the kind of crap you and Joe need =
to be=20
hammering, not JT.<BR><BR>As far as this pissing match over the =
scooters, I am=20
dismayed over a couple of things. For one I feel responsible for all =
the guys=20
purchasing your scooter after you sold me that prototype. The guys saw =
the=20
logic of getting a scooter for depth as, once you get one, you realize =
that a=20
scooter is not a lazy way to get around but a actual piece of life =
support=20
equipment. A scooter can save your ass on a deep dive, conserve your =
gas and=20
keep you from getting bent.<BR><BR>And the fact is that while your =
scooters=20
have the engineering down better than anyone else, your QA sucks and =
everybody=20
had problems with their scooters other than me. It made me look bad =
and I=20
don't like that any more than you do. I have no doubt in my mind that =
you=20
stick behind your products 100% up to and including buying them back =
if the=20
customer is not satisfied. What would be better, and what everybody =
wants, is=20
not to ship the scooter back for a refund, but that the darn things =
are=20
de-bugged before shipment. If we are to do the debugging, fine, that =
should be=20
stated and it never was.<BR><BR>All this clutch bruhaha is not about =
the=20
clutch at all. It is about a screw backing out allowing a sacrificial =
clutch=20
component to fry out. Hell, one prop assembly fell apart in the water =
right=20
after the diver entered the water. This is not encouraging stuff for =
something=20
we consider life support equipment. As far as the guys were concerned =
they had=20
just bought the scooter that went 18,000 ft and is used by some of the =
best=20
divers on earth. I figure that problem would be solved by just using=20
lock-tight on this critical screw, the fix would be that=20
simple.<BR><BR>Instead this has become a full-blown pissing match =
between two=20
people who I like and respect and I hate to see it happen. I truly =
wish you=20
and JT would figure out this scooter thing and make the "wrecker =
special" as=20
reliable as the "cave special" as I'm sure it can be. You have some =
powerful=20
proponents of the DIR system here in Virginia Beach and it would =
really be a=20
shame if they were all alienated over a dumb screw.<BR><BR>I know that =
you=20
have been around a long time, George, and I also know that you are =
almost=20
invariably right (much to the consternation of many on this list). But =
I think=20
you are wrong about JT. You two may never see eye to eye but JT is =
very much=20
into not only himself surviving the dive but everybody else on the =
boat,=20
within the realm of reality. Those last 5 words are very important. =
You can=20
strive to gain true DIR precepts, but at some point you have to bow to =
reality=20
or quit diving. It's like taking a half-step to a wall, you will =
always get=20
closer and closer but you won't ever actually get there. At some point =
you=20
have to deal with your situation and do the best you can. And JT and =
others up=20
here are doing the best they can with what they've =
got.<BR><BR>Jim<BR><BR>On=20
Friday, August 23, 2002, at 06:49 AM, George Irvine wrote:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>Jim, a bunch of us came up there and dove with all of you =
and JT=20
did not<BR>want to hear anything from us about how we think it =
should be=20
done. I came<BR>up later and went over all of it again. Andrew G =
came up=20
there and did it<BR>one more time. JT will listen to nobody, and =
somebody or=20
sombodies will die<BR>as a result. Quit defending the guy. He is =
wrong, and=20
there is no hiding his<BR>attitude about diving. I think he is a =
lost cause=20
and needs to be given a<BR>wide berth. Even if he did things =
"right", his=20
head is in a dangerous place.<BR><BR>I have been around a long time, =
Jim,=20
and I have yet to be wrong about<BR>something like this. The best =
advice I=20
can give anyone is to avoid people<BR>who think this=20
way.<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Jim Cobb=20
[mailto:cobber@ci*.co*]<BR>Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 =
9:35=20
PM<BR>To: Joe<BR>Cc: Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com; trey@my*.ne*;=20
vbtech@ci*.co*; Capt<BR>JT<BR>Subject: Re: Back to the =
issues -=20
Capt. CF - was Re: Dangerous Idiot was<BR>RE: Marguerite's Monkey =
was RE:=20
George's Scooter Support / WAS - Cheap<BR>parts?<BR><BR><BR>Hey
Joe, =
you are=20
down there and I am up here. I can state without<BR>reservation that =
you=20
don't know what in the fuck you are talking about.<BR><BR>Believe me =
I know=20
what it's like sitting behind a keyboard and carping<BR>at people. =
But at=20
least I do a half-assed attempt to get the facts<BR>straight, =
something you=20
obviously have not done.<BR><BR>If you have a problem with JT you =
need to=20
come up here and dive and<BR>show us how it's done. If you don't =
want to do=20
that then why don't you<BR>shut the fuck up.<BR><BR>If you can
prove =
to me=20
that you have never done an deep dive on<BR>anything other than a =
perfect=20
boat with perfect support and perfect<BR>partners and every single =
one of=20
your dives have been perfect and error<BR>free then, to use another =
oft=20
stated saw; "I will kiss your ass in<BR>Macey's
window".<BR><BR>What =
I'd=20
like to hear from you (christ, from *anybody* south of<BR>Morehead =
City) of=20
one of your "less than perfect" dives, how you<BR>survived it and =
what=20
lessons you learned. I doubt we will hear anything<BR>like this from =
you as=20
it take courage to admit your mistakes. I don't<BR>think you have =
the balls=20
to do it.<BR><BR>People tell me that you are a super experienced, =
ultra=20
accomplished<BR>diver. But you never offer one piece of advice, no =
data, not=20
one single<BR>lesson learned. All you can do is sit behind your =
keyboard and=20
do this<BR>vendetta against me, JT or anybody else you happen to=20
dislike.<BR><BR>How about belaying the BS and give us some =
information. Give=20
us a "I<BR>learned about diving from that" story. If you truly have =
the=20
track<BR>record everybody says you do, I will bet you have quite a=20
few.<BR><BR>Jim<BR><BR>On Thursday, August 22, 2002, at 09:27
PM, =
Joe=20
wrote:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>Dear Capt. CF:<BR><BR>Since you are quite obviously
an=20
aberration resulting from generations<BR>of<BR>inbreeding, I will =
help you=20
along here by redirecting your limited<BR>attention<BR>span to the =
issues=20
originally discussed. Please uncross your eyes if<BR>that<BR>is=20
possible.<BR><BR>Please explain to the list which is worse, having =
a chase=20
boat which<BR>may or<BR>may not work stowed on the top deck of the =
dive=20
boat while anchored on<BR>a<BR>dive, OR, the compounding of this =
stupidity=20
by putting decompression<BR>bottles<BR>and a hangbar under the =
boat while=20
the Captain sleeps.<BR><BR>Or, perhaps you claim that you no =
longer do=20
this and that the<BR>chaseboat is<BR>deployed in good working =
order before=20
divers enter the water and you no<BR>longer irresponsibly leave it =
on the=20
top deck in a state of disrepair,<BR>making the effective rescue =
of a=20
distressed diver next to impossible?<BR>Which<BR>is it? Please =
tell=20
us.<BR><BR>While I am at it, please explain to everyone why the =
Miss=20
Lindsey and<BR>its<BR>owner are not welcome in the Bahamas =
anymore. Shall=20
I go on?<BR><BR>I think I will.<BR><BR>Please tell us about
the =
non=20
commercial, commercial dive that you got<BR>paid<BR>for which =
resulted in=20
the death of Tai Wilkerson. Please tell us who<BR>was<BR>captain =
of the=20
boat that day and how he complied with all of the =
OSHA<BR>regs<BR>re a=20
commercial dive operation. Tell us how you had the required=20
on<BR>board<BR>recompression chamber and how it worked like your =
chase=20
boat. Also<BR>tell us<BR>what in water communications were in =
place and=20
what were the depths<BR>and the<BR>gases being used? Who was Tai's =
buddy=20
and what was his experience<BR>level?<BR>Isn't it true that this =
was his=20
deepest dive ever? Isn't it also true<BR>that<BR>when Tai got into =
trouble=20
his buddy rescued him by shooting him to the<BR>surface like a =
Polaris=20
missile? Tell us how you presided over this in<BR>your<BR>usual=20
professional way. Don't bother denying it. We all know =
what<BR>happened.=20
For a guy that just tells the truth you sure do "lair"=20
a<BR>lot.<BR><BR>You say I am a "lair" and you don't smoke dope =
anymore.=20
Then why is<BR>it that<BR>you go through life in a state of =
perpetual=20
dyslexic confusion<BR>looking like a Jerry Garcia groupie. And why =
is it=20
that you have that<BR>distinct ashen pallor of death that most =
druggies=20
get after many years<BR>of<BR>continued abuse. Is it your liver or =
the=20
inbreeding? Or have you<BR>fried so<BR>many brain cells that you =
can no=20
longer be sober and look normal?<BR><BR>Your feeble attempts to =
discredit=20
me and others is a sham to avoid the<BR>above<BR>questions which =
you so=20
ignorantly refuse to address. As I have said<BR>before,<BR>you do =
not=20
qualify to be my tank or towel boy.<BR><BR>Capt. CF, your =
stupidity never=20
ceases to amaze me. Do you really<BR>think that<BR>your little =
"private=20
email" would shock or upset me? George and I<BR>know each<BR>other =
15=20
years. I am no more bothered by that "private email" than=20
he<BR>would<BR>be were the reverse to happen. It is internet =
rhetoric.=20
Nothing more,<BR>nothing less. The difference between you and =
myself is=20
that I see good<BR>information and recognize it. You see it and =
reject it=20
because you<BR>are mad<BR>at whomever gives you the advice. I will =
solve=20
the problem right now.<BR>JT,<BR>PLEASE, PLEASE, DON'T SHOOT =
YOURSELF IN=20
THE HEAD.<BR><BR>Capt. CF, you really need to come down from the =
tree and=20
put away the<BR>banjo.<BR>People are desperately trying to give =
you good=20
advice and information<BR>and<BR>you continuously reject it and =
reliably=20
do the opposite. You are a<BR>danger<BR>to all around you. Change =
your=20
ways. Give up the dope. Get into<BR>therapy.<BR><BR>All of the =
above said,=20
I seriously question how ANY lucid business<BR>person<BR>would =
allow you=20
to take charge of the lives of their passengers.<BR>Given =
all<BR>of the=20
sound advice you have so ignorantly rejected, were an=20
incident<BR>to<BR>occur I shudder to think of the legal =
ramifications.=20
Your obvious<BR>defense<BR>would be "Diminished Capacity" which of =
course=20
you would easily get<BR>but only<BR>at the expense of your =
employers, who=20
would undoubtedly be
held<BR>criminally<BR>negligent.<BR><BR>Dive =
safe, be=20
safe.<BR><BR>Your
friend.<BR><BR>Joe<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>----- =
Original=20
Message -----<BR>From: "George Irvine" =
<trey@my*.ne*><BR>To: "Capt=20
JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>; "Joe"=20
<joe@po*.co*>;<BR><trey@myacc.net>;=20
"Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com" <techdiver@aquanaut.com><BR>Sent: =
Thursday,=20
August 22, 2002 3:52 AM<BR>Subject: Dangerous Idiot was RE: =
Marguerite's=20
Monkey was RE: George's<BR>Scooter Support / WAS - Cheap=20
parts?<BR><BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>JT, besides you being a petty little wimp, you just =
can not=20
stick to<BR>the<BR>subject ( how to safely and properly do these =
dives)=20
, and you are<BR>the one<BR>who is a "lair". I know Joe for 15 =
years.=20
Still waiting for him to<BR>"light<BR>up".<BR><BR>When
these =
guys ( AUE=20
) first started out I had a big problem with<BR>some of<BR>their =
stroke=20
buddies and told them why, and I told them how I would<BR>do=20
the<BR>dives. They did not like my "style", but they knew I was =
right=20
about<BR>the<BR>diving part, and they eventually got rid of the=20
strokes.<BR><BR>They did not like me any better than you do. The =
difference is that<BR>these<BR>guys are not morons like you, are =
not big=20
egos like you ( in your case<BR>totally undeserved), and they =
have a=20
legitimate program and are not<BR>out<BR>trying to prove =
something like=20
you are.<BR><BR>You can keep digging up all the "private" emails =
you=20
want, the fact is<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>that<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>right here and now you are a complete stroke and =
everyone=20
can see it.<BR>You<BR>want some "private" emails from Kane and=20
Georgitsis about how<BR>hopeless you<BR>are? How about from =
anyone who=20
has ever seen you in the water or =
seen<BR>your<BR>act?<BR><BR>The facts=20
are that you do now know what the hell you are doing,=20
you<BR>are<BR>risking people's lives with your dangerous idiocy, =
you=20
can't dive at<BR>all,<BR>you are an obvious moron, and you have =
no=20
prospects of changing any of<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>that.<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Capt JT=20
[mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]<BR>Sent: Wednesday, August 21, =
2002 4:31=20
PM<BR>To: Joe; trey@my*.ne*; =
Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com<BR>Subject: Re:=20
Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter Support =
/<BR>WAS<BR>- Cheap=20
parts?<BR><BR><BR>Joe, have you been taking lesson on being a =
lair from=20
G, not one<BR>thing is<BR>true in this post. One thing about not =
telling=20
the truth on a post.<BR>Everyone who sees you will know mine was =
right=20
on, no hiding that<BR>stomach,<BR>the height, curly hair, or the =
old=20
face. And if they watch you long<BR>enough<BR>you will light=20
up.....<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>At 11:09
AM 8/21/02 =
-0700, Joe=20
wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>Good morning JT:<BR><BR>It seems the THC in your =
system=20
has finally taken its toll. You are<BR>confused as I not only =
do not=20
smoke but abhor being around smoke.<BR><BR>You seem a bit =
cranky.=20
Perhaps you should have some bran with=20
your<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>banana.<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>They say that helps. I was also wondering, do you =
have an=20
opposable<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>thumb?<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I hear you had some problems on the Miss Lindsay =
this=20
Sunday. Why<BR>do you<BR>insist on leaving the chase boat =
inaccessible=20
and untested on the<BR>upper<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>deck<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>when you tie in? Don't you realize you are =
endangering=20
everyone in<BR>the<BR>water when you do that? One day your =
luck will=20
run out.<BR><BR>Cheers.<BR><BR>Joe<BR><BR>-----
Original =
Message=20
-----<BR>From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*><BR>To:=20
<joe@po*.co*>;=20
=
<trey@my*.ne*>;<BR>"Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com"<BR><techdiver@aqua=
naut.com><BR>Sent:=20
Tuesday, August 20, 2002 12:33 PM<BR>Subject: Re: Marguerite's =
Monkey=20
was RE: George's Scooter Support /<BR>WAS -<BR>Cheap=20
parts?<BR><BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>I hit the nail on the head with that one, bananas =
are=20
good for =
you.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>You<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>just keep on smoking those cancer sticks, dicky do =
boy........<BR><BR><BR><BR>At 08:54 PM 8/19/02 -0400,=20
joe@po*.co* wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>JT, have a bananna. You'll feel =
better.<BR><BR>Regards=20
from your friend.<BR><BR>Joe<BR><BR>----- Original
Message =
-----<BR>From: "Capt JT" =
<captjt@mi*.co*><BR>To:=20
<joe@po*.co*>;=20
=
<trey@my*.ne*>;<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><
/BLOCK=
QUOTE>"Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com"<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><techdiver@aquanaut.com><BR>Sent: Monday, =
August=20
19, 2002 4:54 PM<BR>Subject: Re: Marguerite's Monkey was =
RE:=20
George's Scooter Support =
/<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>WAS=20
-<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>Cheap parts?<BR><BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>I had dinner at an Italian restaurant over the =
weekend and=20
=
there<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><
/BLOCKQUOTE=
>was<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>this<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>little curly haired old guy who looked like a =
woman=20
does in=20
=
her<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>8th<
;BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>month<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>with that stomach sticking out there, sitting =
at the=20
bar=20
=
enjoying<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>h
is<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>drink<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>and cigarettes. Kinda reminded me of that guy =
Joe in=20
the=20
=
AUE<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></B
LOCKQUOTE>g=
roup.<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR>At 03:44 PM 8/17/02 -0400, =
joe@po*.co*=20
wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>Funny thing about the monkey. I ran into=20
Marguerite the=20
=
other<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><
/BLOCKQUOTE=
></BLOCKQUOTE>day<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>and<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>she<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>told me she had taught him to shave his =
body. He=20
figured=20
=
he<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BL
OCKQUOTE></=
BLOCKQUOTE>could<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>pass<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>himself off as a person and ran away to =
Hollywood=20
to star in=20
=
the<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></B
LOCKQUOTE>n=
ext<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>version of Planet of The Apes. When he found =
out=20
they=20
=
weren't<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>&l
t;/BLOCKQUO=
TE>doing<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>another<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>sequel he moved to Virginia Beach where he =
took a=20
job as a=20
=
boat<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>capta
in<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>named JT.<BR><BR><BR><BR>-----
Original =
Message=20
-----<BR>From: "George Irvine" =
<trey@my*.ne*><BR>To:=20
"Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com"=20
<techdiver@aquanaut.com><BR>Sent: Saturday, =
August 17,=20
2002 10:08 AM<BR>Subject: RE: Marguerite's Monkey was =
RE:=20
George's Scooter=20
=
Support<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>&l
t;/BLOCKQUO=
TE></BLOCKQUOTE>/<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>WAS -<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>Cheap parts?<BR><BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>JT, the bottom line is that you are not=20
qualified to=20
=
comment<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>&l
t;/BLOCKQUO=
TE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>on<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>anything<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>in<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>diving, and you have proven it repeatedly. =
You=20
are a=20
=
bad<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></B
LOCKQUOTE><=
/BLOCKQUOTE>imitation<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>of<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>what<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>the rest of us do so easily and a complete =
stroke by=20
=
anyone's<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>&
lt;/BLOCKQU=
OTE>measure,<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>from<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>attitude to execution. Anyone who has seen =
you=20
in the=20
=
water<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><
/BLOCKQUOTE=
></BLOCKQUOTE>knows<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>you<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>are<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>pathetic, anyone who had read your slop on =
here=20
knows you=20
=
are<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></B
LOCKQUOTE><=
/BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>an<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>illiterate<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>moron.<BR><BR>Just as in Rodney's motor =
thing=20
with Christina, had she=20
=
paid<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></
BLOCKQUOTE>=
</BLOCKQUOTE>Rod<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>for<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>a<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>fast motor, she would have had one to =
start=20
with. You are=20
=
a<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLO
CKQUOTE></B=
LOCKQUOTE>nickel<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>rocket<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>of massive proportions, and it shows in =
all you=20
say , do ,=20
=
and<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></B
LOCKQUOTE>u=
se.<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>You<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>caught Cobb bailing out of diving ( the =
right=20
thing for=20
=
anyone<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><
;/BLOCKQUOT=
E></BLOCKQUOTE>to<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>do<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>who<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>is<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>subject to your perpetual risk creation) =
and got=20
his=20
=
prototype<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
</BLOCKQ=
UOTE>scooter<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>cheap, so either sell it back to me or =
shut up.=20
There is=20
=
no<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BL
OCKQUOTE></=
BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>way<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>any of<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>you<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>would have paid for the clutch, and you =
would=20
not need it=20
=
if<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BL
OCKQUOTE></=
BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>you<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>were<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>not<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>so incompetent .<BR><BR>You have an =
obvious=20
reading problem. I said I bought=20
=
$8,000<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><
;/BLOCKQUOT=
E></BLOCKQUOTE>worth<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>of<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>Arnie<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>clutches that I thought I would never get =
rid=20
of, since=20
=
most<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></
BLOCKQUOTE>=
people=20
do<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>not<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>need them. I still have more than I will =
likely=20
be able=20
=
to<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>legitimately<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>ask<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>anyone to buy. Scooters are my life =
support, and=20
=
staying<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>&l
t;/BLOCKQUO=
TE>constantly<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>hands<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>on<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>with them keeps me and<BR>my team alive in =
the=20
scooter dependent diving we do ,=20
=
and<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></B
LOCKQUOTE><=
/BLOCKQUOTE>selling<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>them<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>to<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>other groups helps finance the WKPP =
exploration=20
activities.=20
=
If<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BL
OCKQUOTE></=
BLOCKQUOTE>you<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>don't<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>like that, too bad - for people like you =
there=20
is Rodney.=20
=
If<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BL
OCKQUOTE></=
BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>you<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>don't<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>like<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>the clutch , complain to Mako. In =
addition, you=20
moron, we=20
=
do<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BL
OCKQUOTE></=
BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>not<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>use<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>the<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>wreck scooter in the WKPP in the first =
place, we=20
use the=20
=
PVC<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></B
LOCKQUOTE>s=
tandard<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>version.<BR><BR>Most people buy the =
clutches=20
directly form Arnie or NE=20
=
Scuba.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><
;/BLOCKQUOT=
E></BLOCKQUOTE>The<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>only<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>thing that needs to be known about this is =
that=20
the=20
=
washers<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>&l
t;/BLOCKQUO=
TE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>for<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>the<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>other<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>clutch will not work with the Arnie , so =
when=20
they get=20
=
them<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></
BLOCKQUOTE>=
installed<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>by<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>me<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>, I use the correct washers. I am sure you =
are=20
going to=20
=
make<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></
BLOCKQUOTE>=
</BLOCKQUOTE>this<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>mistake<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>if you can scrape together the 100 bucks =
or=20
whatever=20
=
he<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BL
OCKQUOTE></=
BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>charges<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>for<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>them.<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>Maybe you could make up a cardboard sign =
that=20
says. "Will=20
=
work<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></
BLOCKQUOTE>=
</BLOCKQUOTE>for<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>clutch"<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>and stand at a busy streetcorner and =
collect the=20
money to=20
=
buy<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></B
LOCKQUOTE><=
/BLOCKQUOTE>one.<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR>This list for you is an effort to make =
yourself look like=20
=
a<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLO
CKQUOTE></B=
LOCKQUOTE>tough<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>guy,<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>but<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>all you are doing is making yourself look =
like=20
one of=20
=
Jerry's<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>&l
t;/BLOCKQUO=
TE>Kids.<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>Your<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>constant efforts to fight with me are not =
going=20
to work,=20
=
no<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BL
OCKQUOTE></=
BLOCKQUOTE>matter<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>how<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>personal you try to get. You have proven=20
yourself to be=20
=
an<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BL
OCKQUOTE>in=
capable<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>diver<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>with a stroke attitude who has almost =
nobody=20
left willing=20
=
to<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BL
OCKQUOTE></=
BLOCKQUOTE>risk<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>diving<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>with you and certainly nobody willing to =
listen=20
to you=20
=
any<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></B
LOCKQUOTE><=
/BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>more.<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>You<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>are<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>incapable of learning anything, and I just =
hope=20
you don't=20
=
kill<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></
BLOCKQUOTE>=
anyone,<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>even<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>yourself, since the assholes would claim =
it to=20
be a=20
=
"DIR<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></
BLOCKQUOTE>=
</BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>death."<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>even<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>
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