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JT, you guys bought the most scooters at once of any group. Joe Citelli
bought his 8 years ago , you fucking moron. Barnette tests them for me, as
do others not in his group. Get a grip. Have you not made enough of an ass
out of yourself for this month, year and decade?
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From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 8:39 PM
To: George Irvine; Jim Cobb; George Irvine
Cc: Joe; Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com; vbtech@ci*.co*
Subject: RE: Back to the issues - Capt. CF - was Re: Dangerous Idiot was RE:
Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter Support / WAS - Cheap parts?
Well, now that we know the AUE guys are buying the scooters from you, we
now know that is why you like them. They will not get on hear and tell
everyone if they are having any problems with them, the code of silence
thing again.
Cobb. did you notice he has not answered the Mike Pizzo thing, we know
that Mike dives with the AUE group and unless they can prove it is not the
same Mike Pizzo involved with this
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then they are part of the side show.......
At 06:35 PM 8/23/02 -0400, George Irvine wrote:
Jim, I told you all they were prototype and to work with me on any
issues. JT is incapable of doing that due to his false pride. I don't care
how many screwups he has had, I am not "hammering" him over anything but his
unwillingness to learn and his unwillingness to ask. I am hammering him over
doing the same things over and over. He just keeps telling me I don't know
and that he does know, and that is clearly a function of his having no clue
what he is talking about and no willingness to listen to those who know a
hell of a lot more than he does. Andrew G told me exactly the same thing
about his efforts with JT. He is a waste of time.
You got the first one of those scooters I ever made. You were supposed
to stay in touch with me to work out any issues .You will recall that I used
two different winds of experimental motors on your scooters. So far I have
only heard from one of you about anything , and nothing from that idiot JT
other than his slop on the lists.
Barnette and the others who have them, on the other hand, keep me
updated on the conditions of the scooters. There are now several of the
wreck scooters in existence, and several hundred of the cave scooters. The
military has several, police forces have them, most organized ( non stroke)
dive teams have them, and the two record holding distance dive teams have
them. Once the motor and other issues are certain, you can install which
ever clutch you want and locktite if you want, but the thing will not come
unscrewed unless the clutch is pushed back from the shear pin or the screw
is stripped , which will happen if it is removed and replaced more than one
time. Sure, it would be nice if them made them with a reverse thread, but
they do not, so other solutions must be used.
All any of you have to do is ask, but that is just too much for a moron
like JT and the rest of you are listening to that clown. He never had a real
scooter before, what the hell makes you think he has any clue what is what
with this one?
Personally, I do not locktite mine, I use the minimum number of washers
so it will slip if I put my pinkie in the blades, and that does not put
enough pressure on the screw to unwind it. If you guys need something
different, you need to talk to me about it, or you will not get a solution
from the person who knows best.
And, just so you know, the people who specify that they want what I
ride, which is a Magnum PVC Gavin with expensive batteries and clutch rigged
loose, get just that only it costs more money.Certainly a lot more than JT
was willing to spend. Reinhard and Michael with their team and fleet of
these scooters just yesterday pushed Doux de Coly Cave out to over 18,000
feet. Reinhard has no problem discussing how every little thing we do is
done directly with me, and he has the results to prove it, just as have the
results using the rebreather he built for me.
You can share information with the best, or you can fight and argue with
the best. I have been making scooters, winding motors, sharing data
,technology and information and receiving data and information from the best
for years. Most of you have a real hard time doing that due to self-imposed
ego restraints ( not you personally, Jim, but your boy and others like him).
In any event, the wreck scooters is the best thing for boat diving and
the other is the best for cave diving, and I can recommend what is needed
for each type of condition and do it for the least amount of money. You do
not need what I ride to do what you guys go, and in fact I use what you use
when I do that kind of diving. As anyone, including you yourself know, I am
ALWAYS accessible by phone or email. Wait, I take that back. Last night when
Reinhard called me to tell me he was ok and back safely from his record
dive, I did not hear the phone ring due to being 8 rows back at Pompano
Beach Amphitheatre listening to Dream Theatre and Joe Satriani, but I did
phone him back this morning to hear about his dive .
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Cobb [mailto:cobber@ci*.co*]
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 11:03 AM
To: George Irvine
Cc: Joe; Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com; vbtech@ci*.co*; Capt JT
Subject: Re: Back to the issues - Capt. CF - was Re: Dangerous Idiot
was RE: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter Support / WAS - Cheap
parts?
George-
I don't feel I need to defend JT, he is a big boy and can do that
himself. But I do need to call bullshit when I see it. Yes you guys did come
up and dive with us and I appreciate it. JT appreciated it too, he opened
his house up to both you, JJ on your visit and then to Andrew and Mike when
they came up to teach the fundamentals class.
JT has bent over backwards to hear the DIR/GUE side of the story.
Hell, we all went down there to return the favor and see how you guys do it.
Why JT wants to butt heads with you over every little thing, I guess you
have to ask JT, because I don't know. I do know that when I did deep dives
the person I wanted to have on the boat was JT because he sweats the
details, and therein lies the devil, as you well know. You and several other
people on this list are slamming JT for having a few screwed up dives. The
reason you know about these screwed up dives is that he told you, me and
everybody else about what happened. JT broke the "code of silence" which is
apparently alive and well and fully enforced down there in Florida.
And there are so many assholes and idiots out there doing goofy,
dangerous shit:
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Did you know that Mike Pizzio is involved with this clusterfuck
waiting to happen? Where the hell is DIR now? This is the kind of crap you
and Joe need to be hammering, not JT.
As far as this pissing match over the scooters, I am dismayed over a
couple of things. For one I feel responsible for all the guys purchasing
your scooter after you sold me that prototype. The guys saw the logic of
getting a scooter for depth as, once you get one, you realize that a scooter
is not a lazy way to get around but a actual piece of life support
equipment. A scooter can save your ass on a deep dive, conserve your gas and
keep you from getting bent.
And the fact is that while your scooters have the engineering down
better than anyone else, your QA sucks and everybody had problems with their
scooters other than me. It made me look bad and I don't like that any more
than you do. I have no doubt in my mind that you stick behind your products
100% up to and including buying them back if the customer is not satisfied.
What would be better, and what everybody wants, is not to ship the scooter
back for a refund, but that the darn things are de-bugged before shipment.
If we are to do the debugging, fine, that should be stated and it never was.
All this clutch bruhaha is not about the clutch at all. It is about
a screw backing out allowing a sacrificial clutch component to fry out.
Hell, one prop assembly fell apart in the water right after the diver
entered the water. This is not encouraging stuff for something we consider
life support equipment. As far as the guys were concerned they had just
bought the scooter that went 18,000 ft and is used by some of the best
divers on earth. I figure that problem would be solved by just using
lock-tight on this critical screw, the fix would be that simple.
Instead this has become a full-blown pissing match between two
people who I like and respect and I hate to see it happen. I truly wish you
and JT would figure out this scooter thing and make the "wrecker special" as
reliable as the "cave special" as I'm sure it can be. You have some powerful
proponents of the DIR system here in Virginia Beach and it would really be a
shame if they were all alienated over a dumb screw.
I know that you have been around a long time, George, and I also
know that you are almost invariably right (much to the consternation of many
on this list). But I think you are wrong about JT. You two may never see eye
to eye but JT is very much into not only himself surviving the dive but
everybody else on the boat, within the realm of reality. Those last 5 words
are very important. You can strive to gain true DIR precepts, but at some
point you have to bow to reality or quit diving. It's like taking a
half-step to a wall, you will always get closer and closer but you won't
ever actually get there. At some point you have to deal with your situation
and do the best you can. And JT and others up here are doing the best they
can with what they've got.
Jim
On Friday, August 23, 2002, at 06:49 AM, George Irvine wrote:
Jim, a bunch of us came up there and dove with all of you and JT did
not
want to hear anything from us about how we think it should be done.
I came
up later and went over all of it again. Andrew G came up there and
did it
one more time. JT will listen to nobody, and somebody or sombodies
will die
as a result. Quit defending the guy. He is wrong, and there is no
hiding his
attitude about diving. I think he is a lost cause and needs to be
given a
wide berth. Even if he did things "right", his head is in a
dangerous place.
I have been around a long time, Jim, and I have yet to be wrong
about
something like this. The best advice I can give anyone is to avoid
people
who think this way.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Cobb [mailto:cobber@ci*.co*]
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 9:35 PM
To: Joe
Cc: Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com; trey@my*.ne*; vbtech@ci*.co*;
Capt
JT
Subject: Re: Back to the issues - Capt. CF - was Re: Dangerous Idiot
was
RE: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter Support / WAS -
Cheap
parts?
Hey Joe, you are down there and I am up here. I can state without
reservation that you don't know what in the fuck you are talking
about.
Believe me I know what it's like sitting behind a keyboard and
carping
at people. But at least I do a half-assed attempt to get the facts
straight, something you obviously have not done.
If you have a problem with JT you need to come up here and dive and
show us how it's done. If you don't want to do that then why don't
you
shut the fuck up.
If you can prove to me that you have never done an deep dive on
anything other than a perfect boat with perfect support and perfect
partners and every single one of your dives have been perfect and
error
free then, to use another oft stated saw; "I will kiss your ass in
Macey's window".
What I'd like to hear from you (christ, from *anybody* south of
Morehead City) of one of your "less than perfect" dives, how you
survived it and what lessons you learned. I doubt we will hear
anything
like this from you as it take courage to admit your mistakes. I
don't
think you have the balls to do it.
People tell me that you are a super experienced, ultra accomplished
diver. But you never offer one piece of advice, no data, not one
single
lesson learned. All you can do is sit behind your keyboard and do
this
vendetta against me, JT or anybody else you happen to dislike.
How about belaying the BS and give us some information. Give us a "I
learned about diving from that" story. If you truly have the track
record everybody says you do, I will bet you have quite a few.
Jim
On Thursday, August 22, 2002, at 09:27 PM, Joe wrote:
Dear Capt. CF:
Since you are quite obviously an aberration resulting from
generations
of
inbreeding, I will help you along here by redirecting your limited
attention
span to the issues originally discussed. Please uncross your eyes if
that
is possible.
Please explain to the list which is worse, having a chase boat which
may or
may not work stowed on the top deck of the dive boat while anchored
on
a
dive, OR, the compounding of this stupidity by putting decompression
bottles
and a hangbar under the boat while the Captain sleeps.
Or, perhaps you claim that you no longer do this and that the
chaseboat is
deployed in good working order before divers enter the water and you
no
longer irresponsibly leave it on the top deck in a state of
disrepair,
making the effective rescue of a distressed diver next to
impossible?
Which
is it? Please tell us.
While I am at it, please explain to everyone why the Miss Lindsey
and
its
owner are not welcome in the Bahamas anymore. Shall I go on?
I think I will.
Please tell us about the non commercial, commercial dive that you
got
paid
for which resulted in the death of Tai Wilkerson. Please tell us who
was
captain of the boat that day and how he complied with all of the
OSHA
regs
re a commercial dive operation. Tell us how you had the required on
board
recompression chamber and how it worked like your chase boat. Also
tell us
what in water communications were in place and what were the depths
and the
gases being used? Who was Tai's buddy and what was his experience
level?
Isn't it true that this was his deepest dive ever? Isn't it also
true
that
when Tai got into trouble his buddy rescued him by shooting him to
the
surface like a Polaris missile? Tell us how you presided over this
in
your
usual professional way. Don't bother denying it. We all know what
happened. For a guy that just tells the truth you sure do "lair" a
lot.
You say I am a "lair" and you don't smoke dope anymore. Then why is
it that
you go through life in a state of perpetual dyslexic confusion
looking like a Jerry Garcia groupie. And why is it that you have
that
distinct ashen pallor of death that most druggies get after many
years
of
continued abuse. Is it your liver or the inbreeding? Or have you
fried so
many brain cells that you can no longer be sober and look normal?
Your feeble attempts to discredit me and others is a sham to avoid
the
above
questions which you so ignorantly refuse to address. As I have said
before,
you do not qualify to be my tank or towel boy.
Capt. CF, your stupidity never ceases to amaze me. Do you really
think that
your little "private email" would shock or upset me? George and I
know each
other 15 years. I am no more bothered by that "private email" than
he
would
be were the reverse to happen. It is internet rhetoric. Nothing
more,
nothing less. The difference between you and myself is that I see
good
information and recognize it. You see it and reject it because you
are mad
at whomever gives you the advice. I will solve the problem right
now.
JT,
PLEASE, PLEASE, DON'T SHOOT YOURSELF IN THE HEAD.
Capt. CF, you really need to come down from the tree and put away
the
banjo.
People are desperately trying to give you good advice and
information
and
you continuously reject it and reliably do the opposite. You are a
danger
to all around you. Change your ways. Give up the dope. Get into
therapy.
All of the above said, I seriously question how ANY lucid business
person
would allow you to take charge of the lives of their passengers.
Given all
of the sound advice you have so ignorantly rejected, were an
incident
to
occur I shudder to think of the legal ramifications. Your obvious
defense
would be "Diminished Capacity" which of course you would easily get
but only
at the expense of your employers, who would undoubtedly be held
criminally
negligent.
Dive safe, be safe.
Your friend.
Joe
----- Original Message -----
From: "George Irvine" <trey@my*.ne*>
To: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>; "Joe" <joe@po*.co*>;
<trey@my*.ne*>; "Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 3:52 AM
Subject: Dangerous Idiot was RE: Marguerite's Monkey was RE:
George's
Scooter Support / WAS - Cheap parts?
JT, besides you being a petty little wimp, you just can not stick to
the
subject ( how to safely and properly do these dives) , and you are
the one
who is a "lair". I know Joe for 15 years. Still waiting for him to
"light
up".
When these guys ( AUE ) first started out I had a big problem with
some of
their stroke buddies and told them why, and I told them how I would
do the
dives. They did not like my "style", but they knew I was right about
the
diving part, and they eventually got rid of the strokes.
They did not like me any better than you do. The difference is that
these
guys are not morons like you, are not big egos like you ( in your
case
totally undeserved), and they have a legitimate program and are not
out
trying to prove something like you are.
You can keep digging up all the "private" emails you want, the fact
is
that
right here and now you are a complete stroke and everyone can see
it.
You
want some "private" emails from Kane and Georgitsis about how
hopeless you
are? How about from anyone who has ever seen you in the water or
seen
your
act?
The facts are that you do now know what the hell you are doing, you
are
risking people's lives with your dangerous idiocy, you can't dive at
all,
you are an obvious moron, and you have no prospects of changing any
of
that.
-----Original Message-----
From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 4:31 PM
To: Joe; trey@my*.ne*; Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com
Subject: Re: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter Support /
WAS
- Cheap parts?
Joe, have you been taking lesson on being a lair from G, not one
thing is
true in this post. One thing about not telling the truth on a post.
Everyone who sees you will know mine was right on, no hiding that
stomach,
the height, curly hair, or the old face. And if they watch you long
enough
you will light up.....
At 11:09 AM 8/21/02 -0700, Joe wrote:
Good morning JT:
It seems the THC in your system has finally taken its toll. You are
confused as I not only do not smoke but abhor being around smoke.
You seem a bit cranky. Perhaps you should have some bran with your
banana.
They say that helps. I was also wondering, do you have an opposable
thumb?
I hear you had some problems on the Miss Lindsay this Sunday. Why
do you
insist on leaving the chase boat inaccessible and untested on the
upper
deck
when you tie in? Don't you realize you are endangering everyone in
the
water when you do that? One day your luck will run out.
Cheers.
Joe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>
To: <joe@po*.co*>; <trey@my*.ne*>;
"Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com"
<techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter Support /
WAS -
Cheap parts?
I hit the nail on the head with that one, bananas are good for you.
You
just keep on smoking those cancer sticks, dicky do boy........
At 08:54 PM 8/19/02 -0400, joe@po*.co* wrote:
JT, have a bananna. You'll feel better.
Regards from your friend.
Joe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>
To: <joe@po*.co*>; <trey@my*.ne*>;
"Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com"
<techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter Support /
WAS -
Cheap parts?
I had dinner at an Italian restaurant over the weekend and there
was
this
little curly haired old guy who looked like a woman does in her
8th
month
with that stomach sticking out there, sitting at the bar enjoying
his
drink
and cigarettes. Kinda reminded me of that guy Joe in the AUE
group.
At 03:44 PM 8/17/02 -0400, joe@po*.co* wrote:
Funny thing about the monkey. I ran into Marguerite the other
day
and
she
told me she had taught him to shave his body. He figured he
could
pass
himself off as a person and ran away to Hollywood to star in the
next
version of Planet of The Apes. When he found out they weren't
doing
another
sequel he moved to Virginia Beach where he took a job as a boat
captain
named JT.
----- Original Message -----
From: "George Irvine" <trey@my*.ne*>
To: "Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 10:08 AM
Subject: RE: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter Support
/
WAS -
Cheap parts?
JT, the bottom line is that you are not qualified to comment
on
anything
in
diving, and you have proven it repeatedly. You are a bad
imitation
of
what
the rest of us do so easily and a complete stroke by anyone's
measure,
from
attitude to execution. Anyone who has seen you in the water
knows
you
are
pathetic, anyone who had read your slop on here knows you are
an
illiterate
moron.
Just as in Rodney's motor thing with Christina, had she paid
Rod
for
a
fast motor, she would have had one to start with. You are a
nickel
rocket
of massive proportions, and it shows in all you say , do , and
use.
You
caught Cobb bailing out of diving ( the right thing for anyone
to
do
who
is
subject to your perpetual risk creation) and got his prototype
scooter
cheap, so either sell it back to me or shut up. There is no
way
any of
you
would have paid for the clutch, and you would not need it if
you
were
not
so incompetent .
You have an obvious reading problem. I said I bought $8,000
worth
of
Arnie
clutches that I thought I would never get rid of, since most
people do
not
need them. I still have more than I will likely be able to
legitimately
ask
anyone to buy. Scooters are my life support, and staying
constantly
hands
on
with them keeps me and
my team alive in the scooter dependent diving we do , and
selling
them
to
other groups helps finance the WKPP exploration activities. If
you
don't
like that, too bad - for people like you there is Rodney. If
you
don't
like
the clutch , complain to Mako. In addition, you moron, we do
not
use
the
wreck scooter in the WKPP in the first place, we use the PVC
standard
version.
Most people buy the clutches directly form Arnie or NE Scuba.
The
only
thing that needs to be known about this is that the washers
for
the
other
clutch will not work with the Arnie , so when they get them
installed
by
me
, I use the correct washers. I am sure you are going to make
this
mistake
if you can scrape together the 100 bucks or whatever he
charges
for
them.
Maybe you could make up a cardboard sign that says. "Will work
for
clutch"
and stand at a busy streetcorner and collect the money to buy
one.
This list for you is an effort to make yourself look like a
tough
guy,
but
all you are doing is making yourself look like one of Jerry's
Kids.
Your
constant efforts to fight with me are not going to work, no
matter
how
personal you try to get. You have proven yourself to be an
incapable
diver
with a stroke attitude who has almost nobody left willing to
risk
diving
with you and certainly nobody willing to listen to you any
more.
You
are
incapable of learning anything, and I just hope you don't kill
anyone,
even
yourself, since the assholes would claim it to be a "DIR
death."
even
though you have no clue what DIR is.
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class=3D874074700-27082002> </SPAN>---<BR><B>From:</B> Capt
JT=20
[mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 26, 2002 =
8:39=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B> George Irvine; Jim Cobb; George
Irvine<BR><B>Cc:</B> =
Joe;=20
Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com; vbtech@ci*.co*<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: =
Back to=20
the issues - Capt. CF - was Re: Dangerous Idiot was RE: Marguerite's =
Monkey was=20
RE: George's Scooter Support / WAS - Cheap =
parts?<BR><BR></DIV></FONT></FONT>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">Well, now that we know =
the AUE=20
guys are buying the scooters from you, we now know that is why you =
like them.=20
They will not get on hear and tell everyone if they are having any =
problems=20
with them, the code of silence thing again.<BR><BR>Cobb. did you =
notice he has=20
not answered the Mike Pizzo thing, we know that Mike dives with the =
AUE group=20
and unless they can prove it is not the same Mike Pizzo involved with =
this=20
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite type=3D"cite">
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<DL></DL><BR><BR>then they are part of the side=20
show.......<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR> At 06:35 PM 8/23/02
-0400, George =
Irvine=20
wrote:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite type=3D"cite">Jim, I told you all they were prototype =
and to=20
work with me on any issues. JT is incapable of doing that due to his =
false=20
pride. I don't care how many screwups he has had, I am not =
"hammering" him=20
over anything but his unwillingness to learn and his unwillingness =
to ask. I=20
am hammering him over doing the same things over and over. He just =
keeps=20
telling me I don't know and that he does know, and that is =
clearly a=20
function of his having no clue what he is talking about and no =
willingness=20
to listen to those who know a hell of a lot more than he does. =
Andrew G told=20
me exactly the same thing about his efforts with JT. He is a waste =
of time.=20
<BR><BR>You got the first one of those scooters I ever made. You =
were=20
supposed to stay in touch with me to work out any issues .You will =
recall=20
that I used two different winds of experimental motors on your =
scooters. So=20
far I have only heard from one of you about anything , and =
nothing=20
from that idiot JT other than his slop on the lists.<BR><BR>Barnette =
and the=20
others who have them, on the other hand, keep me updated on the =
conditions=20
of the scooters. There are now several of the wreck scooters in =
existence,=20
and several hundred of the cave scooters. The military has several, =
police=20
forces have them, most organized ( non stroke) dive teams have them, =
and the=20
two record holding distance dive teams have them. Once the motor and =
other=20
issues are certain, you can install which ever clutch you want and =
locktite=20
if you want, but the thing will not come unscrewed unless the clutch =
is=20
pushed back from the shear pin or the screw is stripped , which will =
happen=20
if it is removed and replaced more than one time. Sure, it would be =
nice if=20
them made them with a reverse thread, but they do not, so other =
solutions=20
must be used.<BR><BR>All any of you have to do is ask, but that is =
just too=20
much for a moron like JT and the rest of you are listening to that =
clown. He=20
never had a real scooter before, what the hell makes you think he =
has any=20
clue what is what with this one?<BR><BR>Personally, I do not =
locktite mine,=20
I use the minimum number of washers so it will slip if I put my =
pinkie in=20
the blades, and that does not put enough pressure on the screw to =
unwind it.=20
If you guys need something different, you need to talk to me =
about it,=20
or you will not get a solution from the person who knows =
best.<BR><BR>And,=20
just so you know, the people who specify that they want what I ride, =
which=20
is a Magnum PVC Gavin with expensive batteries and clutch rigged =
loose, get=20
just that only it costs more money.Certainly a lot more than JT was =
willing=20
to spend. Reinhard and Michael with their team and fleet of these =
scooters=20
just yesterday pushed Doux de Coly Cave out to over 18,000 feet. =
Reinhard=20
has no problem discussing how every little thing we do is done =
directly with=20
me, and he has the results to prove it, just as have the results =
using the=20
rebreather he built for me.<BR><BR>You can share information with =
the best,=20
or you can fight and argue with the best. I have been making =
scooters,=20
winding motors, sharing data ,technology and information and =
receiving data=20
and information from the best for years. Most of you have a real =
hard time=20
doing that due to self-imposed ego restraints ( not you personally, =
Jim, but=20
your boy and others like him).<BR><BR>In any event, the wreck =
scooters is=20
the best thing for boat diving and the other is the best for cave =
diving,=20
and I can recommend what is needed for each type of condition and do =
it for=20
the least amount of money. You do not need what I ride to do what =
you guys=20
go, and in fact I use what you use when I do that kind of diving. As =
anyone,=20
including you yourself know, I am ALWAYS accessible by phone or =
email. Wait,=20
I take that back. Last night when Reinhard called me to tell me he =
was ok=20
and back safely from his record dive, I did not hear the phone ring =
due to=20
being 8 rows back at Pompano Beach Amphitheatre listening to Dream =
Theatre=20
and Joe Satriani, but I did phone him back this morning to hear =
about his=20
dive .<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT face=3Dtahoma size=3D2>
<DL>
<DD>-----Original Message-----=20
<DD>From:</B> Jim Cobb [<A =
href=3D"mailto:cobber@ci*.co*"=20
eudora=3D"autourl">mailto:cobber@ci*.co*</A>]=20
<DD>Sent:</B> Friday, August 23, 2002 11:03 AM=20
<DD>To:</B> George Irvine=20
<DD>Cc:</B> Joe; Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com; vbtech@ci*.co*; =
Capt JT=20
<DD>Subject:</B> Re: Back to the issues - Capt. CF - was Re: =
Dangerous=20
Idiot was RE: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter =
Support / WAS=20
- Cheap parts?<BR><BR></FONT>
<DD>George-<BR><BR>
<DD>I don't feel I need to defend JT, he is a big boy and can do =
that=20
himself. But I do need to call bullshit when I see it. Yes you =
guys did=20
come up and dive with us and I appreciate it. JT appreciated it =
too, he=20
opened his house up to both you, JJ on your visit and then to =
Andrew and=20
Mike when they came up to teach the fundamentals class.<BR><BR>
<DD>JT has bent over backwards to hear the DIR/GUE side of the =
story.=20
Hell, we all went down there to return the favor and see how you =
guys do=20
it. Why JT wants to butt heads with you over every little thing, =
I guess=20
you have to ask JT, because I don't know. I do know that when I =
did deep=20
dives the person I wanted to have on the boat was JT because he =
sweats=20
the details, and therein lies the devil, as you well know. You =
and=20
several other people on this list are slamming JT for having a =
few=20
screwed up dives. The reason you know about these screwed up =
dives is=20
that he told you, me and everybody else about what happened. JT =
broke=20
the "code of silence" which is apparently alive and well and =
fully=20
enforced down there in Florida.<BR><BR>
<DD>And there are so many assholes and idiots out there doing =
goofy,=20
dangerous shit:<BR><BR>
<DD><?color><?param 1A1A,1A1A,FFFF><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.wr350.com/photos/axl%20by%20albert%20014%20small.jpg" =
=
eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.wr350.com/photos/axl%20by%20albert%20014%20=
small.jpg</A>=20
<DD><?/color></U>=20
<DD>Did you know that Mike Pizzio is involved with this =
clusterfuck=20
waiting to happen? Where the hell is DIR now? This is the kind =
of crap=20
you and Joe need to be hammering, not JT.<BR><BR>
<DD>As far as this pissing match over the scooters, I am =
dismayed over a=20
couple of things. For one I feel responsible for all the guys =
purchasing=20
your scooter after you sold me that prototype. The guys saw the =
logic of=20
getting a scooter for depth as, once you get one, you realize =
that a=20
scooter is not a lazy way to get around but a actual piece of =
life=20
support equipment. A scooter can save your ass on a deep dive, =
conserve=20
your gas and keep you from getting bent.<BR><BR>
<DD>And the fact is that while your scooters have the =
engineering down=20
better than anyone else, your QA sucks and everybody had =
problems with=20
their scooters other than me. It made me look bad and I don't =
like that=20
any more than you do. I have no doubt in my mind that you stick =
behind=20
your products 100% up to and including buying them back if the =
customer=20
is not satisfied. What would be better, and what everybody =
wants, is not=20
to ship the scooter back for a refund, but that the darn things =
are=20
de-bugged before shipment. If we are to do the debugging, fine, =
that=20
should be stated and it never was.<BR><BR>
<DD>All this clutch bruhaha is not about the clutch at all. It =
is about=20
a screw backing out allowing a sacrificial clutch component to =
fry out.=20
Hell, one prop assembly fell apart in the water right after the =
diver=20
entered the water. This is not encouraging stuff for something =
we=20
consider life support equipment. As far as the guys were =
concerned they=20
had just bought the scooter that went 18,000 ft and is used by =
some of=20
the best divers on earth. I figure that problem would be solved =
by just=20
using lock-tight on this critical screw, the fix would be that=20
simple.<BR><BR>
<DD>Instead this has become a full-blown pissing match between =
two=20
people who I like and respect and I hate to see it happen. I =
truly wish=20
you and JT would figure out this scooter thing and make the =
"wrecker=20
special" as reliable as the "cave special" as I'm sure it can =
be. You=20
have some powerful proponents of the DIR system here in Virginia =
Beach=20
and it would really be a shame if they were all alienated over a =
dumb=20
screw.<BR><BR>
<DD>I know that you have been around a long time, George, and I =
also=20
know that you are almost invariably right (much to the =
consternation of=20
many on this list). But I think you are wrong about JT. You two =
may=20
never see eye to eye but JT is very much into not only himself =
surviving=20
the dive but everybody else on the boat, within the realm of =
reality.=20
Those last 5 words are very important. You can strive to gain =
true DIR=20
precepts, but at some point you have to bow to reality or quit =
diving.=20
It's like taking a half-step to a wall, you will always get =
closer and=20
closer but you won't ever actually get there. At some point you =
have to=20
deal with your situation and do the best you can. And JT and =
others up=20
here are doing the best they can with what they've got.<BR><BR>
<DD>Jim<BR><BR>
<DD>On Friday, August 23, 2002, at 06:49 AM, George Irvine=20
wrote:<BR><BR>
<DD>Jim, a bunch of us came up there and dove with all of you =
and JT did=20
not=20
<DD>want to hear anything from us about how we think it should =
be done.=20
I came=20
<DD>up later and went over all of it again. Andrew G came up =
there and=20
did it=20
<DD>one more time. JT will listen to nobody, and somebody or =
sombodies=20
will die=20
<DD>as a result. Quit defending the guy. He is wrong, and there =
is no=20
hiding his=20
<DD>attitude about diving. I think he is a lost cause and needs =
to be=20
given a=20
<DD>wide berth. Even if he did things "right", his head is in a=20
dangerous place.<BR><BR>
<DD>I have been around a long time, Jim, and I have yet to be =
wrong=20
about=20
<DD>something like this. The best advice I can give anyone is to =
avoid=20
people=20
<DD>who think this way.<BR><BR>
<DD>-----Original Message-----=20
<DD>From: Jim Cobb [<A href=3D"mailto:cobber@ci*.co*"=20
eudora=3D"autourl">mailto:cobber@ci*.co*</A>]=20
<DD>Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 9:35 PM=20
<DD>To: Joe=20
<DD>Cc: Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com; trey@my*.ne*; =
vbtech@ci*.co*;=20
Capt=20
<DD>JT=20
<DD>Subject: Re: Back to the issues - Capt. CF - was Re: =
Dangerous Idiot=20
was=20
<DD>RE: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter Support / =
WAS -=20
Cheap=20
<DD>parts?<BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DD>Hey Joe, you are down there and I am up here. I can state =
without=20
<DD>reservation that you don't know what in the fuck you are =
talking=20
about.<BR><BR>
<DD>Believe me I know what it's like sitting behind a keyboard =
and=20
carping=20
<DD>at people. But at least I do a half-assed attempt to get the =
facts=20
<DD>straight, something you obviously have not done.=20
<DD>If you have a problem with JT you need to come up here and =
dive and=20
<DD>show us how it's done. If you don't want to do that then why =
don't=20
you=20
<DD>shut the fuck up.<BR><BR>
<DD>If you can prove to me that you have never done an deep dive =
on=20
<DD>anything other than a perfect boat with perfect support and =
perfect=20
<DD>partners and every single one of your dives have been =
perfect and=20
error=20
<DD>free then, to use another oft stated saw; "I will kiss your =
ass in=20
<DD>Macey's window".<BR><BR>
<DD>What I'd like to hear from you (christ, from *anybody* south =
of=20
<DD>Morehead City) of one of your "less than perfect" dives, how =
you=20
<DD>survived it and what lessons you learned. I doubt we will =
hear=20
anything=20
<DD>like this from you as it take courage to admit your =
mistakes. I=20
don't=20
<DD>think you have the balls to do it.<BR><BR>
<DD>People tell me that you are a super experienced, ultra =
accomplished=20
<DD>diver. But you never offer one piece of advice, no data, not =
one=20
single=20
<DD>lesson learned. All you can do is sit behind your keyboard =
and do=20
this=20
<DD>vendetta against me, JT or anybody else you happen to=20
dislike.<BR><BR>
<DD>How about belaying the BS and give us some information. Give =
us a "I=20
<DD>learned about diving from that" story. If you truly have the =
track=20
<DD>record everybody says you do, I will bet you have quite a=20
few.<BR><BR>
<DD>Jim<BR><BR>
<DD>On Thursday, August 22, 2002, at 09:27 PM, Joe =
wrote:<BR><BR>
<DD>Dear Capt. CF:<BR><BR>
<DD>Since you are quite obviously an aberration resulting from=20
generations=20
<DD>of=20
<DD>inbreeding, I will help you along here by redirecting your =
limited=20
<DD>attention=20
<DD>span to the issues originally discussed. Please uncross your =
eyes if=20
<DD>that=20
<DD>is possible.<BR><BR>
<DD>Please explain to the list which is worse, having a chase =
boat which=20
<DD>may or=20
<DD>may not work stowed on the top deck of the dive boat while =
anchored=20
on=20
<DD>a=20
<DD>dive, OR, the compounding of this stupidity by putting =
decompression=20
<DD>bottles=20
<DD>and a hangbar under the boat while the Captain =
sleeps.<BR><BR>
<DD>Or, perhaps you claim that you no longer do this and that =
the=20
<DD>chaseboat is=20
<DD>deployed in good working order before divers enter the water =
and you=20
no=20
<DD>longer irresponsibly leave it on the top deck in a state of=20
disrepair,=20
<DD>making the effective rescue of a distressed diver next to=20
impossible?=20
<DD>Which=20
<DD>is it? Please tell us.<BR><BR>
<DD>While I am at it, please explain to everyone why the Miss =
Lindsey=20
and=20
<DD>its=20
<DD>owner are not welcome in the Bahamas anymore. Shall I go =
on?<BR><BR>
<DD>I think I will.<BR><BR>
<DD>Please tell us about the non commercial, commercial dive =
that you=20
got=20
<DD>paid=20
<DD>for which resulted in the death of Tai Wilkerson. Please =
tell us who=20
<DD>was=20
<DD>captain of the boat that day and how he complied with all of =
the=20
OSHA=20
<DD>regs=20
<DD>re a commercial dive operation. Tell us how you had the =
required on=20
<DD>board=20
<DD>recompression chamber and how it worked like your chase =
boat. Also=20
<DD>tell us=20
<DD>what in water communications were in place and what were the =
depths=20
<DD>and the=20
<DD>gases being used? Who was Tai's buddy and what was his =
experience=20
<DD>level?=20
<DD>Isn't it true that this was his deepest dive ever? Isn't it =
also=20
true=20
<DD>that=20
<DD>when Tai got into trouble his buddy rescued him by shooting =
him to=20
the=20
<DD>surface like a Polaris missile? Tell us how you presided =
over this=20
in=20
<DD>your=20
<DD>usual professional way. Don't bother denying it. We all know =
what=20
<DD>happened. For a guy that just tells the truth you sure do =
"lair" a=20
<DD>lot.<BR><BR>
<DD>You say I am a "lair" and you don't smoke dope anymore. Then =
why is=20
<DD>it that=20
<DD>you go through life in a state of perpetual dyslexic =
confusion=20
<DD>looking like a Jerry Garcia groupie. And why is it that you =
have=20
that=20
<DD>distinct ashen pallor of death that most druggies get after =
many=20
years=20
<DD>of=20
<DD>continued abuse. Is it your liver or the inbreeding? Or have =
you=20
<DD>fried so=20
<DD>many brain cells that you can no longer be sober and look=20
normal?<BR><BR>
<DD>Your feeble attempts to discredit me and others is a sham to =
avoid=20
the=20
<DD>above=20
<DD>questions which you so ignorantly refuse to address. As I =
have said=20
<DD>before,=20
<DD>you do not qualify to be my tank or towel boy.<BR><BR>
<DD>Capt. CF, your stupidity never ceases to amaze me. Do you =
really=20
<DD>think that=20
<DD>your little "private email" would shock or upset me? George =
and I=20
<DD>know each=20
<DD>other 15 years. I am no more bothered by that "private =
email" than=20
he=20
<DD>would=20
<DD>be were the reverse to happen. It is internet rhetoric. =
Nothing=20
more,=20
<DD>nothing less. The difference between you and myself is that =
I see=20
good=20
<DD>information and recognize it. You see it and reject it =
because you=20
<DD>are mad=20
<DD>at whomever gives you the advice. I will solve the problem =
right=20
now.=20
<DD>JT,=20
<DD>PLEASE, PLEASE, DON'T SHOOT YOURSELF IN THE HEAD.<BR><BR>
<DD>Capt. CF, you really need to come down from the tree and put =
away=20
the=20
<DD>banjo.=20
<DD>People are desperately trying to give you good advice and=20
information=20
<DD>and=20
<DD>you continuously reject it and reliably do the opposite. You =
are a=20
<DD>danger=20
<DD>to all around you. Change your ways. Give up the dope. Get =
into=20
<DD>therapy.<BR><BR>
<DD>All of the above said, I seriously question how ANY lucid =
business=20
<DD>person=20
<DD>would allow you to take charge of the lives of their =
passengers.=20
<DD>Given all=20
<DD>of the sound advice you have so ignorantly rejected, were an =
incident=20
<DD>to=20
<DD>occur I shudder to think of the legal ramifications. Your =
obvious=20
<DD>defense=20
<DD>would be "Diminished Capacity" which of course you would =
easily get=20
<DD>but only=20
<DD>at the expense of your employers, who would undoubtedly be =
held=20
<DD>criminally=20
<DD>negligent.<BR><BR>
<DD>Dive safe, be safe.<BR><BR>
<DD>Your friend.<BR><BR>
<DD>Joe<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DD>----- Original Message -----=20
<DD>From: "George Irvine" <trey@my*.ne*>=20
<DD>To: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>; "Joe"=20
<joe@po*.co*>;=20
<DD><trey@my*.ne*>; "Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com"=20
<techdiver@aquanaut.com>=20
<DD>Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 3:52 AM=20
<DD>Subject: Dangerous Idiot was RE: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: =
George's=20
<DD>Scooter Support / WAS - Cheap parts?<BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DD>JT, besides you being a petty little wimp, you just can not =
stick to=20
<DD>the=20
<DD>subject ( how to safely and properly do these dives) , and =
you are=20
<DD>the one=20
<DD>who is a "lair". I know Joe for 15 years. Still waiting for =
him to=20
<DD>"light=20
<DD>up".<BR><BR>
<DD>When these guys ( AUE ) first started out I had a big =
problem with=20
<DD>some of=20
<DD>their stroke buddies and told them why, and I told them how =
I would=20
<DD>do the=20
<DD>dives. They did not like my "style", but they knew I was =
right about=20
<DD>the=20
<DD>diving part, and they eventually got rid of the =
strokes.<BR><BR>
<DD>They did not like me any better than you do. The difference =
is that=20
<DD>these=20
<DD>guys are not morons like you, are not big egos like you ( in =
your=20
case=20
<DD>totally undeserved), and they have a legitimate program and =
are not=20
<DD>out=20
<DD>trying to prove something like you are.<BR><BR>
<DD>You can keep digging up all the "private" emails you want, =
the fact=20
is<BR><BR></DD></DL>that=20
<DL>
<DD>right here and now you are a complete stroke and everyone =
can see=20
it.=20
<DD>You=20
<DD>want some "private" emails from Kane and Georgitsis about =
how=20
<DD>hopeless you=20
<DD>are? How about from anyone who has ever seen you in the =
water or=20
seen=20
<DD>your=20
<DD>act?<BR><BR>
<DD>The facts are that you do now know what the hell you are =
doing, you=20
<DD>are=20
<DD>risking people's lives with your dangerous idiocy, you can't =
dive at=20
<DD>all,=20
<DD>you are an obvious moron, and you have no prospects of =
changing any=20
of<BR><BR></DD></DL>that.=20
<DL>
<DD>-----Original Message-----=20
<DD>From: Capt JT [<A href=3D"mailto:captjt@mi*.co*"=20
eudora=3D"autourl">mailto:captjt@mi*.co*</A>]=20
<DD>Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 4:31 PM=20
<DD>To: Joe; trey@my*.ne*; Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com=20
<DD>Subject: Re: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter =
Support /=20
<DD>WAS=20
<DD>- Cheap parts?<BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DD>Joe, have you been taking lesson on being a lair from G, not =
one=20
<DD>thing is=20
<DD>true in this post. One thing about not telling the truth on =
a post.=20
<DD>Everyone who sees you will know mine was right on, no hiding =
that=20
<DD>stomach,=20
<DD>the height, curly hair, or the old face. And if they watch =
you long=20
<DD>enough=20
<DD>you will light=20
up.....<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><
;BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DD>At 11:09 AM 8/21/02 -0700, Joe wrote:=20
<DD>Good morning JT:<BR><BR>
<DD>It seems the THC in your system has finally taken its toll. =
You are=20
<DD>confused as I not only do not smoke but abhor being around=20
smoke.<BR><BR>
<DD>You seem a bit cranky. Perhaps you should have some bran =
with=20
your<BR><BR></DD></DL>banana.=20
<DL>
<DD>They say that helps. I was also wondering, do you have an=20
opposable<BR><BR></DD></DL>thumb?=20
<DL>
<DD>I hear you had some problems on the Miss Lindsay this =
Sunday. Why=20
<DD>do you=20
<DD>insist on leaving the chase boat inaccessible and untested =
on the=20
<DD>upper<BR><BR></DD></DL>deck=20
<DL>
<DD>when you tie in? Don't you realize you are endangering =
everyone in=20
<DD>the=20
<DD>water when you do that? One day your luck will run =
out.<BR><BR>
<DD>Cheers.<BR><BR>
<DD>Joe<BR><BR>
<DD>----- Original Message -----=20
<DD>From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>=20
<DD>To: <joe@po*.co*>; <trey@my*.ne*>;=20
<DD>"Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com"=20
<DD><techdiver@aquanaut.com>=20
<DD>Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 12:33 PM=20
<DD>Subject: Re: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter =
Support /=20
<DD>WAS -=20
<DD>Cheap parts?<BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DD>I hit the nail on the head with that one, bananas are good =
for=20
you.<BR><BR></DD></DL>You=20
<DL>
<DD>just keep on smoking those cancer sticks, dicky do=20
boy........<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DD>At 08:54 PM 8/19/02 -0400, joe@po*.co* wrote:=20
<DD>JT, have a bananna. You'll feel better.<BR><BR>
<DD>Regards from your friend.<BR><BR>
<DD>Joe<BR><BR>
<DD>----- Original Message -----=20
<DD>From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>=20
<DD>To: <joe@po*.co*>;=20
=
<trey@my*.ne*>;<BR><BR></DD></DL>"Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com"=20
<DL>
<DD><techdiver@aquanaut.com>=20
<DD>Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 4:54 PM=20
<DD>Subject: Re: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter =
Support=20
/<BR><BR></DD></DL>WAS -=20
<DL>
<DD>Cheap parts?<BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DD>I had dinner at an Italian restaurant over the weekend and=20
there<BR><BR></DD></DL>was=20
<DL>
<DD>this=20
<DD>little curly haired old guy who looked like a woman does in=20
her<BR><BR></DD></DL>8th=20
<DL>
<DD>month=20
<DD>with that stomach sticking out there, sitting at the bar=20
enjoying<BR><BR></DD></DL>his=20
<DL>
<DD>drink=20
<DD>and cigarettes. Kinda reminded me of that guy Joe in the=20
AUE<BR><BR></DD></DL>group.=20
<DL>
<DD>At 03:44 PM 8/17/02 -0400, joe@po*.co* wrote:=20
<DD>Funny thing about the monkey. I ran into Marguerite the=20
other<BR><BR></DD></DL>day=20
<DL>
<DD>and=20
<DD>she=20
<DD>told me she had taught him to shave his body. He figured=20
he<BR><BR></DD></DL>could=20
<DL>
<DD>pass=20
<DD>himself off as a person and ran away to Hollywood to star in =
the<BR><BR></DD></DL>next=20
<DL>
<DD>version of Planet of The Apes. When he found out they=20
weren't<BR><BR></DD></DL>doing=20
<DL>
<DD>another=20
<DD>sequel he moved to Virginia Beach where he took a job as a=20
boat<BR><BR></DD></DL>captain=20
<DL>
<DD>named JT.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DD>----- Original Message -----=20
<DD>From: "George Irvine" <trey@my*.ne*>=20
<DD>To: "Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>=20
<DD>Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 10:08 AM=20
<DD>Subject: RE: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter=20
Support<BR><BR></DD></DL>/=20
<DL>
<DD>WAS -=20
<DD>Cheap parts?<BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DD>JT, the bottom line is that you are not qualified to=20
comment<BR><BR></DD></DL>on=20
<DL>
<DD>anything=20
<DD>in=20
<DD>diving, and you have proven it repeatedly. You are a=20
bad<BR><BR></DD></DL>imitation=20
<DL>
<DD>of=20
<DD>what=20
<DD>the rest of us do so easily and a complete stroke by=20
anyone's<BR><BR></DD></DL>measure,=20
<DL>
<DD>from=20
<DD>attitude to execution. Anyone who has seen you in the=20
water<BR><BR></DD></DL>knows=20
<DL>
<DD>you=20
<DD>are=20
<DD>pathetic, anyone who had read your slop on here knows you=20
are<BR><BR></DD></DL>an=20
<DL>
<DD>illiterate=20
<DD>moron.<BR><BR>
<DD>Just as in Rodney's motor thing with Christina, had she=20
paid<BR><BR></DD></DL>Rod=20
<DL>
<DD>for=20
<DD>a=20
<DD>fast motor, she would have had one to start with. You are=20
a<BR><BR></DD></DL>nickel=20
<DL>
<DD>rocket=20
<DD>of massive proportions, and it shows in all you say , do ,=20
and<BR><BR></DD></DL>use.=20
<DL>
<DD>You=20
<DD>caught Cobb bailing out of diving ( the right thing for=20
anyone<BR><BR></DD></DL>to=20
<DL>
<DD>do=20
<DD>who=20
<DD>is=20
<DD>subject to your perpetual risk creation) and got his=20
prototype<BR><BR></DD></DL>scooter=20
<DL>
<DD>cheap, so either sell it back to me or shut up. There is=20
no<BR><BR></DD></DL>way=20
<DL>
<DD>any of=20
<DD>you=20
<DD>would have paid for the clutch, and you would not need it=20
if<BR><BR></DD></DL>you=20
<DL>
<DD>were=20
<DD>not=20
<DD>so incompetent .<BR><BR>
<DD>You have an obvious reading problem. I said I bought=20
$8,000<BR><BR></DD></DL>worth=20
<DL>
<DD>of=20
<DD>Arnie=20
<DD>clutches that I thought I would never get rid of, since=20
most<BR><BR></DD></DL>people do=20
<DL>
<DD>not=20
<DD>need them. I still have more than I will likely be able=20
to<BR><BR></DD></DL>legitimately=20
<DL>
<DD>ask=20
<DD>anyone to buy. Scooters are my life support, and=20
staying<BR><BR></DD></DL>constantly=20
<DL>
<DD>hands=20
<DD>on=20
<DD>with them keeps me and=20
<DD>my team alive in the scooter dependent diving we do ,=20
and<BR><BR></DD></DL>selling=20
<DL>
<DD>them=20
<DD>to=20
<DD>other groups helps finance the WKPP exploration activities.=20
If<BR><BR></DD></DL>you=20
<DL>
<DD>don't=20
<DD>like that, too bad - for people like you there is Rodney.=20
If<BR><BR></DD></DL>you=20
<DL>
<DD>don't=20
<DD>like=20
<DD>the clutch , complain to Mako. In addition, you moron, we=20
do<BR><BR></DD></DL>not=20
<DL>
<DD>use=20
<DD>the=20
<DD>wreck scooter in the WKPP in the first place, we use the=20
PVC<BR><BR></DD></DL>standard=20
<DL>
<DD>version.<BR><BR>
<DD>Most people buy the clutches directly form Arnie or NE=20
Scuba.<BR><BR></DD></DL>The=20
<DL>
<DD>only=20
<DD>thing that needs to be known about this is that the=20
washers<BR><BR></DD></DL>for=20
<DL>
<DD>the=20
<DD>other=20
<DD>clutch will not work with the Arnie , so when they get=20
them<BR><BR></DD></DL>installed=20
<DL>
<DD>by=20
<DD>me=20
<DD>, I use the correct washers. I am sure you are going to=20
make<BR><BR></DD></DL>this=20
<DL>
<DD>mistake=20
<DD>if you can scrape together the 100 bucks or whatever=20
he<BR><BR></DD></DL>charges=20
<DL>
<DD>for=20
<DD>them.=20
<DD>Maybe you could make up a cardboard sign that says. "Will=20
work<BR><BR></DD></DL>for=20
<DL>
<DD>clutch"=20
<DD>and stand at a busy streetcorner and collect the money to=20
buy<BR><BR></DD></DL>one.=20
<DL>
<DD>This list for you is an effort to make yourself look like=20
a<BR><BR></DD></DL>tough=20
<DL>
<DD>guy,=20
<DD>but=20
<DD>all you are doing is making yourself look like one of=20
Jerry's<BR><BR></DD></DL>Kids.=20
<DL>
<DD>Your=20
<DD>constant efforts to fight with me are not going to work,=20
no<BR><BR></DD></DL>matter=20
<DL>
<DD>how=20
<DD>personal you try to get. You have proven yourself to be=20
an<BR><BR></DD></DL>incapable=20
<DL>
<DD>diver=20
<DD>with a stroke attitude who has almost nobody left willing=20
to<BR><BR></DD></DL>risk=20
<DL>
<DD>diving=20
<DD>with you and certainly nobody willing to listen to you=20
any<BR><BR></DD></DL>more.=20
<DL>
<DD>You=20
<DD>are=20
<DD>incapable of learning anything, and I just hope you don't=20
kill<BR><BR></DD></DL>anyone,=20
<DL>
<DD>even=20
<DD>yourself, since the assholes would claim it to be a=20
"DIR<BR><BR></DD></DL>death."=20
<DL>
<DD>even=20
<DD>though you have no clue what DIR is.<BR><BR>
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