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An observation from my side of the Atlantic... I subscribed to Techdiver to try & learn something about technical diving, as I am new to this aspect of the sport. So far all I seem to receive are posts from the same people who have personal arguments & grievances which are being aired in the public domain. I don't think I've received a useful post which I can say has a learning point in it. I do not profess to know how you dive in the USA, as your conditions are obviously different to those I in dive in in the UK. However, could I please ask that you settle this in private. This is now getting very boring. I am getting very close to sending the unsubscribe request. Thanks for reading. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe" <joe@po*.co*> To: "Jim Cobb" <cobber@ci*.co*> Cc: "Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; <trey@my*.ne*>; <vbtech@ci*.co*>; "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 6:54 PM Subject: Re: Back to the issues - Capt. CF - was Re: Dangerous Idiot was RE: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter Support / WAS - Cheap parts? >>>>But you never offer one piece of advice, Sure I have Jim. I'm doing it right now. Avoid JT at all cost. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Cobb" <cobber@ci*.co*> To: "Joe" <joe@po*.co*> Cc: "Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; <trey@my*.ne*>; <vbtech@ci*.co*>; "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*> Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 6:34 PM Subject: Re: Back to the issues - Capt. CF - was Re: Dangerous Idiot was RE: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter Support / WAS - Cheap parts? > Hey Joe, you are down there and I am up here. I can state without > reservation that you don't know what in the fuck you are talking about. > > Believe me I know what it's like sitting behind a keyboard and carping > at people. But at least I do a half-assed attempt to get the facts > straight, something you obviously have not done. > > If you have a problem with JT you need to come up here and dive and > show us how it's done. If you don't want to do that then why don't you > shut the fuck up. > > If you can prove to me that you have never done an deep dive on > anything other than a perfect boat with perfect support and perfect > partners and every single one of your dives have been perfect and error > free then, to use another oft stated saw; "I will kiss your ass in > Macey's window". > > What I'd like to hear from you (christ, from *anybody* south of > Morehead City) of one of your "less than perfect" dives, how you > survived it and what lessons you learned. I doubt we will hear anything > like this from you as it take courage to admit your mistakes. I don't > think you have the balls to do it. > > People tell me that you are a super experienced, ultra accomplished > diver. But you never offer one piece of advice, no data, not one single > lesson learned. All you can do is sit behind your keyboard and do this > vendetta against me, JT or anybody else you happen to dislike. > > How about belaying the BS and give us some information. Give us a "I > learned about diving from that" story. If you truly have the track > record everybody says you do, I will bet you have quite a few. > > Jim > > On Thursday, August 22, 2002, at 09:27 PM, Joe wrote: > > > Dear Capt. CF: > > > > Since you are quite obviously an aberration resulting from generations > > of > > inbreeding, I will help you along here by redirecting your limited > > attention > > span to the issues originally discussed. Please uncross your eyes if > > that > > is possible. > > > > Please explain to the list which is worse, having a chase boat which > > may or > > may not work stowed on the top deck of the dive boat while anchored on > > a > > dive, OR, the compounding of this stupidity by putting decompression > > bottles > > and a hangbar under the boat while the Captain sleeps. > > > > Or, perhaps you claim that you no longer do this and that the > > chaseboat is > > deployed in good working order before divers enter the water and you no > > longer irresponsibly leave it on the top deck in a state of disrepair, > > making the effective rescue of a distressed diver next to impossible? > > Which > > is it? Please tell us. > > > > While I am at it, please explain to everyone why the Miss Lindsey and > > its > > owner are not welcome in the Bahamas anymore. Shall I go on? > > > > I think I will. > > > > Please tell us about the non commercial, commercial dive that you got > > paid > > for which resulted in the death of Tai Wilkerson. Please tell us who > > was > > captain of the boat that day and how he complied with all of the OSHA > > regs > > re a commercial dive operation. Tell us how you had the required on > > board > > recompression chamber and how it worked like your chase boat. Also > > tell us > > what in water communications were in place and what were the depths > > and the > > gases being used? Who was Tai's buddy and what was his experience > > level? > > Isn't it true that this was his deepest dive ever? Isn't it also true > > that > > when Tai got into trouble his buddy rescued him by shooting him to the > > surface like a Polaris missile? Tell us how you presided over this in > > your > > usual professional way. Don't bother denying it. We all know what > > happened. For a guy that just tells the truth you sure do "lair" a > > lot. > > > > You say I am a "lair" and you don't smoke dope anymore. Then why is > > it that > > you go through life in a state of perpetual dyslexic confusion > > looking like a Jerry Garcia groupie. And why is it that you have that > > distinct ashen pallor of death that most druggies get after many years > > of > > continued abuse. Is it your liver or the inbreeding? Or have you > > fried so > > many brain cells that you can no longer be sober and look normal? > > > > Your feeble attempts to discredit me and others is a sham to avoid the > > above > > questions which you so ignorantly refuse to address. As I have said > > before, > > you do not qualify to be my tank or towel boy. > > > > Capt. CF, your stupidity never ceases to amaze me. Do you really > > think that > > your little "private email" would shock or upset me? George and I > > know each > > other 15 years. I am no more bothered by that "private email" than he > > would > > be were the reverse to happen. It is internet rhetoric. Nothing more, > > nothing less. The difference between you and myself is that I see good > > information and recognize it. You see it and reject it because you > > are mad > > at whomever gives you the advice. I will solve the problem right now. > > JT, > > PLEASE, PLEASE, DON'T SHOOT YOURSELF IN THE HEAD. > > > > Capt. CF, you really need to come down from the tree and put away the > > banjo. > > People are desperately trying to give you good advice and information > > and > > you continuously reject it and reliably do the opposite. You are a > > danger > > to all around you. Change your ways. Give up the dope. Get into > > therapy. > > > > All of the above said, I seriously question how ANY lucid business > > person > > would allow you to take charge of the lives of their passengers. > > Given all > > of the sound advice you have so ignorantly rejected, were an incident > > to > > occur I shudder to think of the legal ramifications. Your obvious > > defense > > would be "Diminished Capacity" which of course you would easily get > > but only > > at the expense of your employers, who would undoubtedly be held > > criminally > > negligent. > > > > Dive safe, be safe. > > > > Your friend. > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "George Irvine" <trey@my*.ne*> > > To: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>; "Joe" <joe@po*.co*>; > > <trey@my*.ne*>; "Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com" <techdiver@aquanaut.com> > > Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 3:52 AM > > Subject: Dangerous Idiot was RE: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's > > Scooter Support / WAS - Cheap parts? > > > > > >> JT, besides you being a petty little wimp, you just can not stick to > >> the > >> subject ( how to safely and properly do these dives) , and you are > >> the one > >> who is a "lair". I know Joe for 15 years. Still waiting for him to > >> "light > >> up". > >> > >> When these guys ( AUE ) first started out I had a big problem with > >> some of > >> their stroke buddies and told them why, and I told them how I would > >> do the > >> dives. They did not like my "style", but they knew I was right about > >> the > >> diving part, and they eventually got rid of the strokes. > >> > >> They did not like me any better than you do. The difference is that > >> these > >> guys are not morons like you, are not big egos like you ( in your case > >> totally undeserved), and they have a legitimate program and are not > >> out > >> trying to prove something like you are. > >> > >> You can keep digging up all the "private" emails you want, the fact is > > that > >> right here and now you are a complete stroke and everyone can see it. > >> You > >> want some "private" emails from Kane and Georgitsis about how > >> hopeless you > >> are? How about from anyone who has ever seen you in the water or seen > >> your > >> act? > >> > >> The facts are that you do now know what the hell you are doing, you > >> are > >> risking people's lives with your dangerous idiocy, you can't dive at > >> all, > >> you are an obvious moron, and you have no prospects of changing any of > > that. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*] > >> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 4:31 PM > >> To: Joe; trey@my*.ne*; Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com > >> Subject: Re: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter Support / > >> WAS > >> - Cheap parts? > >> > >> > >> Joe, have you been taking lesson on being a lair from G, not one > >> thing is > >> true in this post. One thing about not telling the truth on a post. > >> Everyone who sees you will know mine was right on, no hiding that > >> stomach, > >> the height, curly hair, or the old face. And if they watch you long > >> enough > >> you will light up..... > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> At 11:09 AM 8/21/02 -0700, Joe wrote: > >>> Good morning JT: > >>> > >>> It seems the THC in your system has finally taken its toll. You are > >>> confused as I not only do not smoke but abhor being around smoke. > >>> > >>> You seem a bit cranky. Perhaps you should have some bran with your > > banana. > >>> They say that helps. I was also wondering, do you have an opposable > > thumb? > >>> > >>> I hear you had some problems on the Miss Lindsay this Sunday. Why > >>> do you > >>> insist on leaving the chase boat inaccessible and untested on the > >>> upper > >> deck > >>> when you tie in? Don't you realize you are endangering everyone in > >>> the > >>> water when you do that? One day your luck will run out. > >>> > >>> Cheers. > >>> > >>> Joe > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*> > >>> To: <joe@po*.co*>; <trey@my*.ne*>; > >>> "Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com" > >>> <techdiver@aquanaut.com> > >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 12:33 PM > >>> Subject: Re: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter Support / > >>> WAS - > >>> Cheap parts? > >>> > >>> > >>>> I hit the nail on the head with that one, bananas are good for you. > > You > >>>> just keep on smoking those cancer sticks, dicky do boy........ > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> At 08:54 PM 8/19/02 -0400, joe@po*.co* wrote: > >>>>> JT, have a bananna. You'll feel better. > >>>>> > >>>>> Regards from your friend. > >>>>> > >>>>> Joe > >>>>> > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>> From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*> > >>>>> To: <joe@po*.co*>; <trey@my*.ne*>; > > "Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com" > >>>>> <techdiver@aquanaut.com> > >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 4:54 PM > >>>>> Subject: Re: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter Support / > >> WAS - > >>>>> Cheap parts? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> I had dinner at an Italian restaurant over the weekend and there > > was > >>> this > >>>>>> little curly haired old guy who looked like a woman does in her > >> 8th > >>>>> month > >>>>>> with that stomach sticking out there, sitting at the bar enjoying > >> his > >>>>> drink > >>>>>> and cigarettes. Kinda reminded me of that guy Joe in the AUE > > group. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> At 03:44 PM 8/17/02 -0400, joe@po*.co* wrote: > >>>>>>> Funny thing about the monkey. I ran into Marguerite the other > > day > >>> and > >>>>> she > >>>>>>> told me she had taught him to shave his body. He figured he > > could > >>> pass > >>>>>>> himself off as a person and ran away to Hollywood to star in the > >> next > >>>>>>> version of Planet of The Apes. When he found out they weren't > >> doing > >>>>> another > >>>>>>> sequel he moved to Virginia Beach where he took a job as a boat > >>> captain > >>>>>>> named JT. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>> From: "George Irvine" <trey@my*.ne*> > >>>>>>> To: "Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com" <techdiver@aquanaut.com> > >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 10:08 AM > >>>>>>> Subject: RE: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter Support > > / > >>> WAS - > >>>>>>> Cheap parts? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> JT, the bottom line is that you are not qualified to comment > > on > >>>>> anything > >>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>> diving, and you have proven it repeatedly. You are a bad > >> imitation > >>> of > >>>>> what > >>>>>>>> the rest of us do so easily and a complete stroke by anyone's > >>> measure, > >>>>>>> from > >>>>>>>> attitude to execution. Anyone who has seen you in the water > >> knows > >>> you > >>>>> are > >>>>>>>> pathetic, anyone who had read your slop on here knows you are > > an > >>>>>>> illiterate > >>>>>>>> moron. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Just as in Rodney's motor thing with Christina, had she paid > >> Rod > >>> for > >>>>> a > >>>>>>>> fast motor, she would have had one to start with. You are a > >> nickel > >>>>> rocket > >>>>>>>> of massive proportions, and it shows in all you say , do , and > >>> use. > >>>>> You > >>>>>>>> caught Cobb bailing out of diving ( the right thing for anyone > >> to > >>> do > >>>>> who > >>>>>>> is > >>>>>>>> subject to your perpetual risk creation) and got his prototype > >>> scooter > >>>>>>>> cheap, so either sell it back to me or shut up. There is no > > way > >>> any of > >>>>> you > >>>>>>>> would have paid for the clutch, and you would not need it if > > you > >>> were > >>>>> not > >>>>>>>> so incompetent . > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> You have an obvious reading problem. I said I bought $8,000 > >> worth > >>> of > >>>>> Arnie > >>>>>>>> clutches that I thought I would never get rid of, since most > >>> people do > >>>>> not > >>>>>>>> need them. I still have more than I will likely be able to > >>>>> legitimately > >>>>>>> ask > >>>>>>>> anyone to buy. Scooters are my life support, and staying > >>> constantly > >>>>> hands > >>>>>>> on > >>>>>>>> with them keeps me and > >>>>>>>> my team alive in the scooter dependent diving we do , and > >> selling > >>> them > >>>>> to > >>>>>>>> other groups helps finance the WKPP exploration activities. If > >> you > >>>>> don't > >>>>>>>> like that, too bad - for people like you there is Rodney. If > > you > >>> don't > >>>>>>> like > >>>>>>>> the clutch , complain to Mako. In addition, you moron, we do > > not > >>> use > >>>>> the > >>>>>>>> wreck scooter in the WKPP in the first place, we use the PVC > >>> standard > >>>>>>>> version. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Most people buy the clutches directly form Arnie or NE Scuba. > >> The > >>> only > >>>>>>>> thing that needs to be known about this is that the washers > > for > >>> the > >>>>> other > >>>>>>>> clutch will not work with the Arnie , so when they get them > >>> installed > >>>>> by > >>>>>>> me > >>>>>>>> , I use the correct washers. I am sure you are going to make > >> this > >>>>> mistake > >>>>>>>> if you can scrape together the 100 bucks or whatever he > > charges > >>> for > >>>>> them. > >>>>>>>> Maybe you could make up a cardboard sign that says. "Will work > >> for > >>>>> clutch" > >>>>>>>> and stand at a busy streetcorner and collect the money to buy > >> one. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> This list for you is an effort to make yourself look like a > >> tough > >>> guy, > >>>>> but > >>>>>>>> all you are doing is making yourself look like one of Jerry's > >>> Kids. > >>>>> Your > >>>>>>>> constant efforts to fight with me are not going to work, no > >> matter > >>> how > >>>>>>>> personal you try to get. You have proven yourself to be an > >>> incapable > >>>>> diver > >>>>>>>> with a stroke attitude who has almost nobody left willing to > >> risk > >>>>> diving > >>>>>>>> with you and certainly nobody willing to listen to you any > > more. > >>> You > >>>>> are > >>>>>>>> incapable of learning anything, and I just hope you don't kill > >>> anyone, > >>>>>>> even > >>>>>>>> yourself, since the assholes would claim it to be a "DIR > > death." > >>> even > >>>>>>>> though you have no clue what DIR is. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>> Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to > >>>>> `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > >>>>>>>> Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to > >>>>> `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to > >>> `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > >>>>>>> Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to > >>> `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> "You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to > > get > >>> in > >>>>> the > >>>>>> water" > >>>>>> Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more > >>>>>> Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/ > >>>>>> Email captjt@mi*.co* > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to > >>> `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > >>>>>> Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to > >>> `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> "You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get > > in > >>> the > >>>> water" > >>>> Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more > >>>> Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/ > >>>> Email captjt@mi*.co* > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >> > >> > >> "You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get > >> in > > the > >> water" > >> Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more > >> Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/ > >> Email captjt@mi*.co* > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to > >> `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > >> Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to > >> `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > >> > >> > >> > > > > -- > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to > > `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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