Jim, a bunch of us came up there and dove with all of you and JT did not
want to hear anything from us about how we think it should be done. I came
up later and went over all of it again. Andrew G came up there and did it
one more time. JT will listen to nobody, and somebody or sombodies will die
as a result. Quit defending the guy. He is wrong, and there is no hiding his
attitude about diving. I think he is a lost cause and needs to be given a
wide berth. Even if he did things "right", his head is in a dangerous place.

I have been around a long time, Jim, and I have yet to be wrong about
something like this. The best advice I can give anyone is to avoid people
who think this way.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Cobb [mailto:cobber@ci*.co*]
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 9:35 PM
To: Joe
Cc: Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com; trey@my*.ne*; vbtech@ci*.co*; Capt
JT
Subject: Re: Back to the issues - Capt. CF - was Re: Dangerous Idiot was
RE: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter Support / WAS - Cheap
parts?


Hey Joe, you are down there and I am up here. I can state without
reservation that you don't know what in the fuck you are talking about.

Believe me I know what it's like sitting behind a keyboard and carping
at people. But at least I do a half-assed attempt to get the facts
straight, something you obviously have not done.

If you have a problem with JT you need to come up here and dive and
show us how it's done. If you don't want to do that then why don't you
shut the fuck up.

If you can prove to me that you have never done an deep dive on
anything other than a perfect boat with perfect support and perfect
partners and every single one of your dives have been perfect and error
free then, to use another oft stated saw; "I will kiss your ass in
Macey's window".

What I'd like to hear from you (christ, from *anybody* south of
Morehead City) of one of your "less than perfect" dives, how you
survived it and what lessons you learned. I doubt we will hear anything
like this from you as it take courage to admit your mistakes. I don't
think you have the balls to do it.

People tell me that you are a super experienced, ultra accomplished
diver. But you never offer one piece of advice, no data, not one single
lesson learned. All you can do is sit behind your keyboard and do this
vendetta against me, JT or anybody else you happen to dislike.

How about belaying the BS and give us some information. Give us a "I
learned about diving from that" story. If you truly have the track
record everybody says you do, I will bet you have quite a few.

    Jim

On Thursday, August 22, 2002, at 09:27  PM, Joe wrote:

> Dear Capt. CF:
>
> Since you are quite obviously an aberration resulting from generations
> of
> inbreeding, I will help you along here by redirecting your limited
> attention
> span to the issues originally discussed.  Please uncross your eyes if
> that
> is possible.
>
> Please explain to the list which is worse, having a chase boat which
> may or
> may not work stowed on the top deck of the dive boat while anchored on
> a
> dive, OR, the compounding of this stupidity by putting decompression
> bottles
> and a hangbar under the boat while the Captain sleeps.
>
> Or, perhaps you claim that you no longer do this and that the
> chaseboat is
> deployed in good working order before divers enter the water and you no
> longer irresponsibly leave it on the top deck in a state of disrepair,
> making the effective rescue of a distressed diver next to impossible?
> Which
> is it?  Please tell us.
>
> While I am at it, please explain to everyone why the Miss Lindsey and
> its
> owner are not welcome in the Bahamas anymore.  Shall I go on?
>
> I think I will.
>
> Please tell us about the non commercial, commercial dive that you got
> paid
> for which resulted in the death of Tai Wilkerson.  Please tell us who
> was
> captain of the boat that day and how he complied with all of the OSHA
> regs
> re a commercial dive operation.  Tell us how you had the required on
> board
> recompression chamber and how it worked like your chase boat.  Also
> tell us
> what in water communications were in place and what were the depths
> and the
> gases being used?  Who was Tai's buddy and what was his experience
> level?
> Isn't it true that this was his deepest dive ever?  Isn't it also true
> that
> when Tai got into trouble his buddy rescued him by shooting him to the
> surface like a Polaris missile?  Tell us how you presided over this in
> your
> usual professional way.  Don't bother denying it.  We all know what
> happened.  For a guy that just tells the truth you sure do "lair" a
> lot.
>
> You say I am a "lair" and you don't smoke dope anymore.  Then why is
> it that
> you go through life in a state of perpetual dyslexic confusion
> looking like a Jerry Garcia groupie.  And why is it that you have that
> distinct ashen pallor of death that most druggies get after many years
> of
> continued abuse.  Is it your liver or the inbreeding?  Or have you
> fried so
> many brain cells that you can no longer be sober and look normal?
>
> Your feeble attempts to discredit me and others is a sham to avoid the
> above
> questions which you so ignorantly refuse to address.  As I have said
> before,
> you do not qualify to be my tank or towel boy.
>
> Capt. CF, your stupidity never ceases to amaze me.  Do you really
> think that
> your little "private email" would shock or upset me?  George and I
> know each
> other 15 years.  I am no more bothered by that "private email" than he
> would
> be were the reverse to happen.  It is internet rhetoric.  Nothing more,
> nothing less.  The difference between you and myself is that I see good
> information and recognize it.  You see it and reject it because you
> are mad
> at whomever gives you the advice.  I will solve the problem right now.
>  JT,
> PLEASE, PLEASE, DON'T SHOOT YOURSELF IN THE HEAD.
>
> Capt. CF, you really need to come down from the tree and put away the
> banjo.
> People are desperately trying to give you good advice and information
> and
> you continuously reject it and reliably do the opposite.  You are a
> danger
> to all around you.  Change your ways.  Give up the dope.  Get into
> therapy.
>
> All of the above said, I seriously question how ANY lucid business
> person
> would allow you to take charge of the lives of their passengers.
> Given all
> of the sound advice you have so ignorantly rejected, were an incident
> to
> occur I shudder to think of the legal ramifications.  Your obvious
> defense
> would be "Diminished Capacity" which of course you would easily get
> but only
> at the expense of your employers, who would undoubtedly be held
> criminally
> negligent.
>
> Dive safe, be safe.
>
> Your friend.
>
> Joe
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "George Irvine" <trey@my*.ne*>
> To: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>; "Joe" <joe@po*.co*>;
> <trey@my*.ne*>; "Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 3:52 AM
> Subject: Dangerous Idiot was RE: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's
> Scooter Support / WAS - Cheap parts?
>
>
>> JT, besides you being a petty little wimp, you just can not stick to
>> the
>> subject ( how to safely and properly do these dives) , and you are
>> the one
>> who is a "lair". I know Joe for 15 years. Still waiting for him to
>> "light
>> up".
>>
>> When these guys ( AUE ) first started out I had a big problem with
>> some of
>> their stroke buddies and told them why, and I told them how I would
>> do the
>> dives. They did not like my "style", but they knew I was right about
>> the
>> diving part, and they eventually got rid of the strokes.
>>
>> They did not like me any better than you do. The difference is that
>> these
>> guys are not morons like you, are not big egos like you ( in your case
>> totally undeserved), and they have a legitimate program and are not
>> out
>> trying to prove something like you are.
>>
>> You can keep digging up all the "private" emails you want, the fact is
> that
>> right here and now you are a complete stroke and everyone can see it.
>> You
>> want some "private" emails from Kane and Georgitsis about how
>> hopeless you
>> are? How about from anyone who has ever seen you in the water or seen
>> your
>> act?
>>
>> The facts are that you do now know what the hell you are doing, you
>> are
>> risking people's lives with your dangerous idiocy, you can't dive at
>> all,
>> you are an obvious moron, and you have no prospects of changing any of
> that.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 4:31 PM
>> To: Joe; trey@my*.ne*; Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com
>> Subject: Re: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter Support /
>> WAS
>> - Cheap parts?
>>
>>
>> Joe, have you been taking lesson on being a lair from G, not one
>> thing is
>> true in this post. One thing about not telling the truth on a post.
>> Everyone who sees you will know mine was right on, no hiding that
>> stomach,
>> the height, curly hair, or the old face. And if they watch you long
>> enough
>> you will light up.....
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   At 11:09 AM 8/21/02 -0700, Joe wrote:
>>> Good morning JT:
>>>
>>> It seems the THC in your system has finally taken its toll.  You are
>>> confused as I not only do not smoke but abhor being around smoke.
>>>
>>> You seem a bit cranky.  Perhaps you should have some bran with your
> banana.
>>> They say that helps.  I was also wondering, do you have an opposable
> thumb?
>>>
>>> I hear you had some problems on the Miss Lindsay this Sunday.  Why
>>> do you
>>> insist on leaving the chase boat inaccessible and untested on the
>>> upper
>> deck
>>> when you tie in?  Don't you realize you are endangering everyone in
>>> the
>>> water when you do that?  One day your luck will run out.
>>>
>>> Cheers.
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>
>>> To: <joe@po*.co*>; <trey@my*.ne*>;
>>> "Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com"
>>> <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 12:33 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter Support /
>>> WAS -
>>> Cheap parts?
>>>
>>>
>>>> I hit the nail on the head with that one, bananas are good for you.
> You
>>>> just keep on smoking those cancer sticks, dicky do boy........
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   At 08:54 PM 8/19/02 -0400, joe@po*.co* wrote:
>>>>> JT, have a bananna.  You'll feel better.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards from your friend.
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>
>>>>> To: <joe@po*.co*>; <trey@my*.ne*>;
> "Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com"
>>>>> <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 4:54 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter Support /
>> WAS -
>>>>> Cheap parts?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I had dinner at an Italian restaurant over the weekend and there
> was
>>> this
>>>>>> little curly haired  old guy who looked like a woman does in her
>> 8th
>>>>> month
>>>>>> with that stomach sticking out there, sitting at the bar enjoying
>> his
>>>>> drink
>>>>>> and cigarettes. Kinda reminded me of that guy Joe in the AUE
> group.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     At 03:44 PM 8/17/02 -0400, joe@po*.co* wrote:
>>>>>>> Funny thing about the monkey.  I ran into Marguerite the other
> day
>>> and
>>>>> she
>>>>>>> told me she had taught him to shave his body.  He figured he
> could
>>> pass
>>>>>>> himself off as a person and ran away to Hollywood to star in the
>> next
>>>>>>> version of Planet of The Apes.  When he found out they weren't
>> doing
>>>>> another
>>>>>>> sequel he moved to Virginia Beach where he took a job as a boat
>>> captain
>>>>>>> named JT.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "George Irvine" <trey@my*.ne*>
>>>>>>> To: "Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 10:08 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter Support
> /
>>> WAS -
>>>>>>> Cheap parts?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> JT, the bottom line is that you are not qualified to comment
> on
>>>>> anything
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> diving, and you have proven it repeatedly. You are a bad
>> imitation
>>> of
>>>>> what
>>>>>>>> the rest of us do so easily and a complete stroke by anyone's
>>> measure,
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>> attitude to execution. Anyone who has seen you in the water
>> knows
>>> you
>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> pathetic, anyone who had read your slop on here knows you are
> an
>>>>>>> illiterate
>>>>>>>> moron.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just as in  Rodney's motor thing with Christina, had she paid
>> Rod
>>> for
>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> fast motor, she would have had one to start with. You are a
>> nickel
>>>>> rocket
>>>>>>>> of massive proportions, and it shows in all you say , do , and
>>> use.
>>>>> You
>>>>>>>> caught Cobb bailing out of diving ( the right thing for anyone
>> to
>>> do
>>>>> who
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> subject to your perpetual risk creation) and got his prototype
>>> scooter
>>>>>>>> cheap, so either sell it back to me or shut up. There is no
> way
>>> any of
>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> would have paid for the clutch, and you would not need it if
> you
>>> were
>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> so incompetent .
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You have an obvious reading problem. I said I bought $8,000
>> worth
>>> of
>>>>> Arnie
>>>>>>>> clutches that I thought I would never get rid of, since most
>>> people do
>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> need them. I still have more than I will likely be able to
>>>>> legitimately
>>>>>>> ask
>>>>>>>> anyone to buy. Scooters are my life support, and staying
>>> constantly
>>>>> hands
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> with them keeps me and
>>>>>>>> my team alive in the scooter dependent diving we do , and
>> selling
>>> them
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> other groups helps finance the WKPP exploration activities. If
>> you
>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>> like that, too bad - for people like you there is Rodney. If
> you
>>> don't
>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>> the clutch , complain to Mako. In addition, you moron, we do
> not
>>> use
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> wreck scooter in the WKPP in the first place, we use the PVC
>>> standard
>>>>>>>> version.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Most people buy the clutches directly form Arnie or NE Scuba.
>> The
>>> only
>>>>>>>> thing that needs to be known about this is that the washers
> for
>>> the
>>>>> other
>>>>>>>> clutch will not work with the Arnie , so when they get them
>>> installed
>>>>> by
>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>> , I use the correct washers. I am sure you are going to make
>> this
>>>>> mistake
>>>>>>>> if you can scrape together the 100 bucks or whatever he
> charges
>>> for
>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>> Maybe you could make up a cardboard sign that says. "Will work
>> for
>>>>> clutch"
>>>>>>>> and stand at a busy streetcorner and collect the money to buy
>> one.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This list for you is an effort to make yourself look like a
>> tough
>>> guy,
>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> all you are doing is making yourself look like one of Jerry's
>>> Kids.
>>>>> Your
>>>>>>>> constant efforts to fight with me are not going to work, no
>> matter
>>> how
>>>>>>>> personal you try to get. You have proven yourself to be an
>>> incapable
>>>>> diver
>>>>>>>> with a stroke attitude who has almost nobody left willing to
>> risk
>>>>> diving
>>>>>>>> with you and certainly nobody willing to listen to you any
> more.
>>> You
>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> incapable of learning anything, and I just hope you don't kill
>>> anyone,
>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>> yourself, since the assholes would claim it to be a "DIR
> death."
>>> even
>>>>>>>> though you have no clue what DIR is.
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> "You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to
> get
>>> in
>>>>> the
>>>>>> water"
>>>>>> Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more
>>>>>>   Web Site  http://www.capt-jt.com/
>>>>>> Email     captjt@mi*.co*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get
> in
>>> the
>>>> water"
>>>> Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more
>>>>   Web Site  http://www.capt-jt.com/
>>>> Email     captjt@mi*.co*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>> "You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get
>> in
> the
>> water"
>> Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more
>>   Web Site  http://www.capt-jt.com/
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>>
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