At 06:49 AM 8/23/02 -0400, George Irvine wrote:
  Even if he did things "right", his head is in a dangerous place.

I do things right there is no "IF", your just mad because I will not stick 
my head up your ass like everyone else.

Your way is not the only way or always the right way. You just like saying 
that, that's all.


>I have been around a long time, Jim, and I have yet to be wrong about
>something like this. The best advice I can give anyone is to avoid people
>who think this way.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jim Cobb [mailto:cobber@ci*.co*]
>Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 9:35 PM
>To: Joe
>Cc: Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com; trey@my*.ne*; vbtech@ci*.co*; Capt
>JT
>Subject: Re: Back to the issues - Capt. CF - was Re: Dangerous Idiot was
>RE: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter Support / WAS - Cheap
>parts?
>
>
>Hey Joe, you are down there and I am up here. I can state without
>reservation that you don't know what in the fuck you are talking about.
>
>Believe me I know what it's like sitting behind a keyboard and carping
>at people. But at least I do a half-assed attempt to get the facts
>straight, something you obviously have not done.
>
>If you have a problem with JT you need to come up here and dive and
>show us how it's done. If you don't want to do that then why don't you
>shut the fuck up.
>
>If you can prove to me that you have never done an deep dive on
>anything other than a perfect boat with perfect support and perfect
>partners and every single one of your dives have been perfect and error
>free then, to use another oft stated saw; "I will kiss your ass in
>Macey's window".
>
>What I'd like to hear from you (christ, from *anybody* south of
>Morehead City) of one of your "less than perfect" dives, how you
>survived it and what lessons you learned. I doubt we will hear anything
>like this from you as it take courage to admit your mistakes. I don't
>think you have the balls to do it.
>
>People tell me that you are a super experienced, ultra accomplished
>diver. But you never offer one piece of advice, no data, not one single
>lesson learned. All you can do is sit behind your keyboard and do this
>vendetta against me, JT or anybody else you happen to dislike.
>
>How about belaying the BS and give us some information. Give us a "I
>learned about diving from that" story. If you truly have the track
>record everybody says you do, I will bet you have quite a few.
>
>     Jim
>
>On Thursday, August 22, 2002, at 09:27  PM, Joe wrote:
>
> > Dear Capt. CF:
> >
> > Since you are quite obviously an aberration resulting from generations
> > of
> > inbreeding, I will help you along here by redirecting your limited
> > attention
> > span to the issues originally discussed.  Please uncross your eyes if
> > that
> > is possible.
> >
> > Please explain to the list which is worse, having a chase boat which
> > may or
> > may not work stowed on the top deck of the dive boat while anchored on
> > a
> > dive, OR, the compounding of this stupidity by putting decompression
> > bottles
> > and a hangbar under the boat while the Captain sleeps.
> >
> > Or, perhaps you claim that you no longer do this and that the
> > chaseboat is
> > deployed in good working order before divers enter the water and you no
> > longer irresponsibly leave it on the top deck in a state of disrepair,
> > making the effective rescue of a distressed diver next to impossible?
> > Which
> > is it?  Please tell us.
> >
> > While I am at it, please explain to everyone why the Miss Lindsey and
> > its
> > owner are not welcome in the Bahamas anymore.  Shall I go on?
> >
> > I think I will.
> >
> > Please tell us about the non commercial, commercial dive that you got
> > paid
> > for which resulted in the death of Tai Wilkerson.  Please tell us who
> > was
> > captain of the boat that day and how he complied with all of the OSHA
> > regs
> > re a commercial dive operation.  Tell us how you had the required on
> > board
> > recompression chamber and how it worked like your chase boat.  Also
> > tell us
> > what in water communications were in place and what were the depths
> > and the
> > gases being used?  Who was Tai's buddy and what was his experience
> > level?
> > Isn't it true that this was his deepest dive ever?  Isn't it also true
> > that
> > when Tai got into trouble his buddy rescued him by shooting him to the
> > surface like a Polaris missile?  Tell us how you presided over this in
> > your
> > usual professional way.  Don't bother denying it.  We all know what
> > happened.  For a guy that just tells the truth you sure do "lair" a
> > lot.
> >
> > You say I am a "lair" and you don't smoke dope anymore.  Then why is
> > it that
> > you go through life in a state of perpetual dyslexic confusion
> > looking like a Jerry Garcia groupie.  And why is it that you have that
> > distinct ashen pallor of death that most druggies get after many years
> > of
> > continued abuse.  Is it your liver or the inbreeding?  Or have you
> > fried so
> > many brain cells that you can no longer be sober and look normal?
> >
> > Your feeble attempts to discredit me and others is a sham to avoid the
> > above
> > questions which you so ignorantly refuse to address.  As I have said
> > before,
> > you do not qualify to be my tank or towel boy.
> >
> > Capt. CF, your stupidity never ceases to amaze me.  Do you really
> > think that
> > your little "private email" would shock or upset me?  George and I
> > know each
> > other 15 years.  I am no more bothered by that "private email" than he
> > would
> > be were the reverse to happen.  It is internet rhetoric.  Nothing more,
> > nothing less.  The difference between you and myself is that I see good
> > information and recognize it.  You see it and reject it because you
> > are mad
> > at whomever gives you the advice.  I will solve the problem right now.
> >  JT,
> > PLEASE, PLEASE, DON'T SHOOT YOURSELF IN THE HEAD.
> >
> > Capt. CF, you really need to come down from the tree and put away the
> > banjo.
> > People are desperately trying to give you good advice and information
> > and
> > you continuously reject it and reliably do the opposite.  You are a
> > danger
> > to all around you.  Change your ways.  Give up the dope.  Get into
> > therapy.
> >
> > All of the above said, I seriously question how ANY lucid business
> > person
> > would allow you to take charge of the lives of their passengers.
> > Given all
> > of the sound advice you have so ignorantly rejected, were an incident
> > to
> > occur I shudder to think of the legal ramifications.  Your obvious
> > defense
> > would be "Diminished Capacity" which of course you would easily get
> > but only
> > at the expense of your employers, who would undoubtedly be held
> > criminally
> > negligent.
> >
> > Dive safe, be safe.
> >
> > Your friend.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "George Irvine" <trey@my*.ne*>
> > To: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>; "Joe" <joe@po*.co*>;
> > <trey@my*.ne*>; "Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 3:52 AM
> > Subject: Dangerous Idiot was RE: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's
> > Scooter Support / WAS - Cheap parts?
> >
> >
> >> JT, besides you being a petty little wimp, you just can not stick to
> >> the
> >> subject ( how to safely and properly do these dives) , and you are
> >> the one
> >> who is a "lair". I know Joe for 15 years. Still waiting for him to
> >> "light
> >> up".
> >>
> >> When these guys ( AUE ) first started out I had a big problem with
> >> some of
> >> their stroke buddies and told them why, and I told them how I would
> >> do the
> >> dives. They did not like my "style", but they knew I was right about
> >> the
> >> diving part, and they eventually got rid of the strokes.
> >>
> >> They did not like me any better than you do. The difference is that
> >> these
> >> guys are not morons like you, are not big egos like you ( in your case
> >> totally undeserved), and they have a legitimate program and are not
> >> out
> >> trying to prove something like you are.
> >>
> >> You can keep digging up all the "private" emails you want, the fact is
> > that
> >> right here and now you are a complete stroke and everyone can see it.
> >> You
> >> want some "private" emails from Kane and Georgitsis about how
> >> hopeless you
> >> are? How about from anyone who has ever seen you in the water or seen
> >> your
> >> act?
> >>
> >> The facts are that you do now know what the hell you are doing, you
> >> are
> >> risking people's lives with your dangerous idiocy, you can't dive at
> >> all,
> >> you are an obvious moron, and you have no prospects of changing any of
> > that.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 4:31 PM
> >> To: Joe; trey@my*.ne*; Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com
> >> Subject: Re: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter Support /
> >> WAS
> >> - Cheap parts?
> >>
> >>
> >> Joe, have you been taking lesson on being a lair from G, not one
> >> thing is
> >> true in this post. One thing about not telling the truth on a post.
> >> Everyone who sees you will know mine was right on, no hiding that
> >> stomach,
> >> the height, curly hair, or the old face. And if they watch you long
> >> enough
> >> you will light up.....
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>   At 11:09 AM 8/21/02 -0700, Joe wrote:
> >>> Good morning JT:
> >>>
> >>> It seems the THC in your system has finally taken its toll.  You are
> >>> confused as I not only do not smoke but abhor being around smoke.
> >>>
> >>> You seem a bit cranky.  Perhaps you should have some bran with your
> > banana.
> >>> They say that helps.  I was also wondering, do you have an opposable
> > thumb?
> >>>
> >>> I hear you had some problems on the Miss Lindsay this Sunday.  Why
> >>> do you
> >>> insist on leaving the chase boat inaccessible and untested on the
> >>> upper
> >> deck
> >>> when you tie in?  Don't you realize you are endangering everyone in
> >>> the
> >>> water when you do that?  One day your luck will run out.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers.
> >>>
> >>> Joe
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>
> >>> To: <joe@po*.co*>; <trey@my*.ne*>;
> >>> "Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com"
> >>> <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 12:33 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter Support /
> >>> WAS -
> >>> Cheap parts?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> I hit the nail on the head with that one, bananas are good for you.
> > You
> >>>> just keep on smoking those cancer sticks, dicky do boy........
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>   At 08:54 PM 8/19/02 -0400, joe@po*.co* wrote:
> >>>>> JT, have a bananna.  You'll feel better.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards from your friend.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Joe
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>
> >>>>> To: <joe@po*.co*>; <trey@my*.ne*>;
> > "Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com"
> >>>>> <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 4:54 PM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter Support /
> >> WAS -
> >>>>> Cheap parts?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I had dinner at an Italian restaurant over the weekend and there
> > was
> >>> this
> >>>>>> little curly haired  old guy who looked like a woman does in her
> >> 8th
> >>>>> month
> >>>>>> with that stomach sticking out there, sitting at the bar enjoying
> >> his
> >>>>> drink
> >>>>>> and cigarettes. Kinda reminded me of that guy Joe in the AUE
> > group.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>     At 03:44 PM 8/17/02 -0400, joe@po*.co* wrote:
> >>>>>>> Funny thing about the monkey.  I ran into Marguerite the other
> > day
> >>> and
> >>>>> she
> >>>>>>> told me she had taught him to shave his body.  He figured he
> > could
> >>> pass
> >>>>>>> himself off as a person and ran away to Hollywood to star in the
> >> next
> >>>>>>> version of Planet of The Apes.  When he found out they weren't
> >> doing
> >>>>> another
> >>>>>>> sequel he moved to Virginia Beach where he took a job as a boat
> >>> captain
> >>>>>>> named JT.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>> From: "George Irvine" <trey@my*.ne*>
> >>>>>>> To: "Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 10:08 AM
> >>>>>>> Subject: RE: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter Support
> > /
> >>> WAS -
> >>>>>>> Cheap parts?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> JT, the bottom line is that you are not qualified to comment
> > on
> >>>>> anything
> >>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>> diving, and you have proven it repeatedly. You are a bad
> >> imitation
> >>> of
> >>>>> what
> >>>>>>>> the rest of us do so easily and a complete stroke by anyone's
> >>> measure,
> >>>>>>> from
> >>>>>>>> attitude to execution. Anyone who has seen you in the water
> >> knows
> >>> you
> >>>>> are
> >>>>>>>> pathetic, anyone who had read your slop on here knows you are
> > an
> >>>>>>> illiterate
> >>>>>>>> moron.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Just as in  Rodney's motor thing with Christina, had she paid
> >> Rod
> >>> for
> >>>>> a
> >>>>>>>> fast motor, she would have had one to start with. You are a
> >> nickel
> >>>>> rocket
> >>>>>>>> of massive proportions, and it shows in all you say , do , and
> >>> use.
> >>>>> You
> >>>>>>>> caught Cobb bailing out of diving ( the right thing for anyone
> >> to
> >>> do
> >>>>> who
> >>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>> subject to your perpetual risk creation) and got his prototype
> >>> scooter
> >>>>>>>> cheap, so either sell it back to me or shut up. There is no
> > way
> >>> any of
> >>>>> you
> >>>>>>>> would have paid for the clutch, and you would not need it if
> > you
> >>> were
> >>>>> not
> >>>>>>>> so incompetent .
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> You have an obvious reading problem. I said I bought $8,000
> >> worth
> >>> of
> >>>>> Arnie
> >>>>>>>> clutches that I thought I would never get rid of, since most
> >>> people do
> >>>>> not
> >>>>>>>> need them. I still have more than I will likely be able to
> >>>>> legitimately
> >>>>>>> ask
> >>>>>>>> anyone to buy. Scooters are my life support, and staying
> >>> constantly
> >>>>> hands
> >>>>>>> on
> >>>>>>>> with them keeps me and
> >>>>>>>> my team alive in the scooter dependent diving we do , and
> >> selling
> >>> them
> >>>>> to
> >>>>>>>> other groups helps finance the WKPP exploration activities. If
> >> you
> >>>>> don't
> >>>>>>>> like that, too bad - for people like you there is Rodney. If
> > you
> >>> don't
> >>>>>>> like
> >>>>>>>> the clutch , complain to Mako. In addition, you moron, we do
> > not
> >>> use
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> wreck scooter in the WKPP in the first place, we use the PVC
> >>> standard
> >>>>>>>> version.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Most people buy the clutches directly form Arnie or NE Scuba.
> >> The
> >>> only
> >>>>>>>> thing that needs to be known about this is that the washers
> > for
> >>> the
> >>>>> other
> >>>>>>>> clutch will not work with the Arnie , so when they get them
> >>> installed
> >>>>> by
> >>>>>>> me
> >>>>>>>> , I use the correct washers. I am sure you are going to make
> >> this
> >>>>> mistake
> >>>>>>>> if you can scrape together the 100 bucks or whatever he
> > charges
> >>> for
> >>>>> them.
> >>>>>>>> Maybe you could make up a cardboard sign that says. "Will work
> >> for
> >>>>> clutch"
> >>>>>>>> and stand at a busy streetcorner and collect the money to buy
> >> one.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> This list for you is an effort to make yourself look like a
> >> tough
> >>> guy,
> >>>>> but
> >>>>>>>> all you are doing is making yourself look like one of Jerry's
> >>> Kids.
> >>>>> Your
> >>>>>>>> constant efforts to fight with me are not going to work, no
> >> matter
> >>> how
> >>>>>>>> personal you try to get. You have proven yourself to be an
> >>> incapable
> >>>>> diver
> >>>>>>>> with a stroke attitude who has almost nobody left willing to
> >> risk
> >>>>> diving
> >>>>>>>> with you and certainly nobody willing to listen to you any
> > more.
> >>> You
> >>>>> are
> >>>>>>>> incapable of learning anything, and I just hope you don't kill
> >>> anyone,
> >>>>>>> even
> >>>>>>>> yourself, since the assholes would claim it to be a "DIR
> > death."
> >>> even
> >>>>>>>> though you have no clue what DIR is.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to
> >>>>> `techdiver@aquanaut.com'.
> >>>>>>>> Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to
> >>>>> `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to
> >>> `techdiver@aquanaut.com'.
> >>>>>>> Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to
> >>> `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to
> > get
> >>> in
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>> water"
> >>>>>> Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more
> >>>>>>   Web Site  http://www.capt-jt.com/
> >>>>>> Email     captjt@mi*.co*
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to
> >>> `techdiver@aquanaut.com'.
> >>>>>> Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to
> >>> `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> "You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get
> > in
> >>> the
> >>>> water"
> >>>> Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more
> >>>>   Web Site  http://www.capt-jt.com/
> >>>> Email     captjt@mi*.co*
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>
> >> "You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get
> >> in
> > the
> >> water"
> >> Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more
> >>   Web Site  http://www.capt-jt.com/
> >> Email     captjt@mi*.co*
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to
> >> `techdiver@aquanaut.com'.
> >> Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to
> >> `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'.
> > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to
> > `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.


"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in the 
water"
Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more
  Web Site  http://www.capt-jt.com/
Email     captjt@mi*.co*


--
Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'.
Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.

Navigate by Author: [Previous] [Next] [Author Search Index]
Navigate by Subject: [Previous] [Next] [Subject Search Index]

[Send Reply] [Send Message with New Topic]

[Search Selection] [Mailing List Home] [Home]