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At 11:02 AM 8/23/02 -0400, Jim Cobb wrote:

>Did you know that Mike Pizzio is involved with this clusterfuck waiting to 
>happen? Where the hell is DIR now? This is the kind of crap you and Joe 
>need to be hammering, not JT.

Cobb, is this the same Pizzio that was on the AUE accident, is he now a 
member of that group? What is his role?

>
>
>As far as this pissing match over the scooters, I am dismayed over a 
>couple of things. For one I feel responsible for all the guys purchasing 
>your scooter after you sold me that prototype. The guys saw the logic of 
>getting a scooter for depth as, once you get one, you realize that a 
>scooter is not a lazy way to get around but a actual piece of life support 
>equipment. A scooter can save your ass on a deep dive, conserve your gas 
>and keep you from getting bent.
>
>And the fact is that while your scooters have the engineering down better 
>than anyone else, your QA sucks and everybody had problems with their 
>scooters other than me. It made me look bad and I don't like that any more 
>than you do. I have no doubt in my mind that you stick behind your 
>products 100% up to and including buying them back if the customer is not 
>satisfied. What would be better, and what everybody wants, is not to ship 
>the scooter back for a refund, but that the darn things are de-bugged 
>before shipment. If we are to do the debugging, fine, that should be 
>stated and it never was.
>
>All this clutch bruhaha is not about the clutch at all. It is about a 
>screw backing out allowing a sacrificial clutch component to fry out. 
>Hell, one prop assembly fell apart in the water right after the diver 
>entered the water. This is not encouraging stuff for something we consider 
>life support equipment. As far as the guys were concerned they had just 
>bought the scooter that went 18,000 ft and is used by some of the best 
>divers on earth. I figure that problem would be solved by just using 
>lock-tight on this critical screw, the fix would be that simple.
>
>Instead this has become a full-blown pissing match between two people who 
>I like and respect and I hate to see it happen. I truly wish you and JT 
>would figure out this scooter thing and make the "wrecker special" as 
>reliable as the "cave special" as I'm sure it can be. You have some 
>powerful proponents of the DIR system here in Virginia Beach and it would 
>really be a shame if they were all alienated over a dumb screw.
>
>I know that you have been around a long time, George, and I also know that 
>you are almost invariably right (much to the consternation of many on this 
>list). But I think you are wrong about JT. You two may never see eye to 
>eye but JT is very much into not only himself surviving the dive but 
>everybody else on the boat, within the realm of reality. Those last 5 
>words are very important. You can strive to gain true DIR precepts, but at 
>some point you have to bow to reality or quit diving. It's like taking a 
>half-step to a wall, you will always get closer and closer but you won't 
>ever actually get there. At some point you have to deal with your 
>situation and do the best you can. And JT and others up here are doing the 
>best they can with what they've got.
>
>    Jim
>
>On Friday, August 23, 2002, at 06:49  AM, George Irvine wrote:
>
>>Jim, a bunch of us came up there and dove with all of you and JT did not
>>want to hear anything from us about how we think it should be done. I came
>>up later and went over all of it again. Andrew G came up there and did it
>>one more time. JT will listen to nobody, and somebody or sombodies will die
>>as a result. Quit defending the guy. He is wrong, and there is no hiding his
>>attitude about diving. I think he is a lost cause and needs to be given a
>>wide berth. Even if he did things "right", his head is in a dangerous place.
>>
>>I have been around a long time, Jim, and I have yet to be wrong about
>>something like this. The best advice I can give anyone is to avoid people
>>who think this way.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Jim Cobb 
>>[<mailto:cobber@ci*.co*>mailto:cobber@cisatlantic.com]
>>Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 9:35 PM
>>To: Joe
>>Cc: Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com; trey@my*.ne*; vbtech@ci*.co*; Capt
>>JT
>>Subject: Re: Back to the issues - Capt. CF - was Re: Dangerous Idiot was
>>RE: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter Support / WAS - Cheap
>>parts?
>>
>>
>>Hey Joe, you are down there and I am up here. I can state without
>>reservation that you don't know what in the fuck you are talking about.
>>
>>Believe me I know what it's like sitting behind a keyboard and carping
>>at people. But at least I do a half-assed attempt to get the facts
>>straight, something you obviously have not done.
>>
>>If you have a problem with JT you need to come up here and dive and
>>show us how it's done. If you don't want to do that then why don't you
>>shut the fuck up.
>>
>>If you can prove to me that you have never done an deep dive on
>>anything other than a perfect boat with perfect support and perfect
>>partners and every single one of your dives have been perfect and error
>>free then, to use another oft stated saw; "I will kiss your ass in
>>Macey's window".
>>
>>What I'd like to hear from you (christ, from *anybody* south of
>>Morehead City) of one of your "less than perfect" dives, how you
>>survived it and what lessons you learned. I doubt we will hear anything
>>like this from you as it take courage to admit your mistakes. I don't
>>think you have the balls to do it.
>>
>>People tell me that you are a super experienced, ultra accomplished
>>diver. But you never offer one piece of advice, no data, not one single
>>lesson learned. All you can do is sit behind your keyboard and do this
>>vendetta against me, JT or anybody else you happen to dislike.
>>
>>How about belaying the BS and give us some information. Give us a "I
>>learned about diving from that" story. If you truly have the track
>>record everybody says you do, I will bet you have quite a few.
>>
>>     Jim
>>
>>On Thursday, August 22, 2002, at 09:27  PM, Joe wrote:
>>
>>>Dear Capt. CF:
>>>
>>>Since you are quite obviously an aberration resulting from generations
>>>of
>>>inbreeding, I will help you along here by redirecting your limited
>>>attention
>>>span to the issues originally discussed.  Please uncross your eyes if
>>>that
>>>is possible.
>>>
>>>Please explain to the list which is worse, having a chase boat which
>>>may or
>>>may not work stowed on the top deck of the dive boat while anchored on
>>>a
>>>dive, OR, the compounding of this stupidity by putting decompression
>>>bottles
>>>and a hangbar under the boat while the Captain sleeps.
>>>
>>>Or, perhaps you claim that you no longer do this and that the
>>>chaseboat is
>>>deployed in good working order before divers enter the water and you no
>>>longer irresponsibly leave it on the top deck in a state of disrepair,
>>>making the effective rescue of a distressed diver next to impossible?
>>>Which
>>>is it?  Please tell us.
>>>
>>>While I am at it, please explain to everyone why the Miss Lindsey and
>>>its
>>>owner are not welcome in the Bahamas anymore.  Shall I go on?
>>>
>>>I think I will.
>>>
>>>Please tell us about the non commercial, commercial dive that you got
>>>paid
>>>for which resulted in the death of Tai Wilkerson.  Please tell us who
>>>was
>>>captain of the boat that day and how he complied with all of the OSHA
>>>regs
>>>re a commercial dive operation.  Tell us how you had the required on
>>>board
>>>recompression chamber and how it worked like your chase boat.  Also
>>>tell us
>>>what in water communications were in place and what were the depths
>>>and the
>>>gases being used?  Who was Tai's buddy and what was his experience
>>>level?
>>>Isn't it true that this was his deepest dive ever?  Isn't it also true
>>>that
>>>when Tai got into trouble his buddy rescued him by shooting him to the
>>>surface like a Polaris missile?  Tell us how you presided over this in
>>>your
>>>usual professional way.  Don't bother denying it.  We all know what
>>>happened.  For a guy that just tells the truth you sure do "lair" a
>>>lot.
>>>
>>>You say I am a "lair" and you don't smoke dope anymore.  Then why is
>>>it that
>>>you go through life in a state of perpetual dyslexic confusion
>>>looking like a Jerry Garcia groupie.  And why is it that you have that
>>>distinct ashen pallor of death that most druggies get after many years
>>>of
>>>continued abuse.  Is it your liver or the inbreeding?  Or have you
>>>fried so
>>>many brain cells that you can no longer be sober and look normal?
>>>
>>>Your feeble attempts to discredit me and others is a sham to avoid the
>>>above
>>>questions which you so ignorantly refuse to address.  As I have said
>>>before,
>>>you do not qualify to be my tank or towel boy.
>>>
>>>Capt. CF, your stupidity never ceases to amaze me.  Do you really
>>>think that
>>>your little "private email" would shock or upset me?  George and I
>>>know each
>>>other 15 years.  I am no more bothered by that "private email" than he
>>>would
>>>be were the reverse to happen.  It is internet rhetoric.  Nothing more,
>>>nothing less.  The difference between you and myself is that I see good
>>>information and recognize it.  You see it and reject it because you
>>>are mad
>>>at whomever gives you the advice.  I will solve the problem right now.
>>>JT,
>>>PLEASE, PLEASE, DON'T SHOOT YOURSELF IN THE HEAD.
>>>
>>>Capt. CF, you really need to come down from the tree and put away the
>>>banjo.
>>>People are desperately trying to give you good advice and information
>>>and
>>>you continuously reject it and reliably do the opposite.  You are a
>>>danger
>>>to all around you.  Change your ways.  Give up the dope.  Get into
>>>therapy.
>>>
>>>All of the above said, I seriously question how ANY lucid business
>>>person
>>>would allow you to take charge of the lives of their passengers.
>>>Given all
>>>of the sound advice you have so ignorantly rejected, were an incident
>>>to
>>>occur I shudder to think of the legal ramifications.  Your obvious
>>>defense
>>>would be "Diminished Capacity" which of course you would easily get
>>>but only
>>>at the expense of your employers, who would undoubtedly be held
>>>criminally
>>>negligent.
>>>
>>>Dive safe, be safe.
>>>
>>>Your friend.
>>>
>>>Joe
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "George Irvine" <trey@my*.ne*>
>>>To: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>; "Joe" <joe@po*.co*>;
>>><trey@my*.ne*>; "Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>>>Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 3:52 AM
>>>Subject: Dangerous Idiot was RE: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's
>>>Scooter Support / WAS - Cheap parts?
>>>
>>>
>>>>JT, besides you being a petty little wimp, you just can not stick to
>>>>the
>>>>subject ( how to safely and properly do these dives) , and you are
>>>>the one
>>>>who is a "lair". I know Joe for 15 years. Still waiting for him to
>>>>"light
>>>>up".
>>>>
>>>>When these guys ( AUE ) first started out I had a big problem with
>>>>some of
>>>>their stroke buddies and told them why, and I told them how I would
>>>>do the
>>>>dives. They did not like my "style", but they knew I was right about
>>>>the
>>>>diving part, and they eventually got rid of the strokes.
>>>>
>>>>They did not like me any better than you do. The difference is that
>>>>these
>>>>guys are not morons like you, are not big egos like you ( in your case
>>>>totally undeserved), and they have a legitimate program and are not
>>>>out
>>>>trying to prove something like you are.
>>>>
>>>>You can keep digging up all the "private" emails you want, the fact is
>>>that
>>>>right here and now you are a complete stroke and everyone can see it.
>>>>You
>>>>want some "private" emails from Kane and Georgitsis about how
>>>>hopeless you
>>>>are? How about from anyone who has ever seen you in the water or seen
>>>>your
>>>>act?
>>>>
>>>>The facts are that you do now know what the hell you are doing, you
>>>>are
>>>>risking people's lives with your dangerous idiocy, you can't dive at
>>>>all,
>>>>you are an obvious moron, and you have no prospects of changing any of
>>>that.
>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Capt JT [<mailto:captjt@mi*.co*>mailto:captjt@mindspring.com]
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 4:31 PM
>>>>To: Joe; trey@my*.ne*; Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com
>>>>Subject: Re: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter Support /
>>>>WAS
>>>>- Cheap parts?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Joe, have you been taking lesson on being a lair from G, not one
>>>>thing is
>>>>true in this post. One thing about not telling the truth on a post.
>>>>Everyone who sees you will know mine was right on, no hiding that
>>>>stomach,
>>>>the height, curly hair, or the old face. And if they watch you long
>>>>enough
>>>>you will light up.....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   At 11:09 AM 8/21/02 -0700, Joe wrote:
>>>>>Good morning JT:
>>>>>
>>>>>It seems the THC in your system has finally taken its toll.  You are
>>>>>confused as I not only do not smoke but abhor being around smoke.
>>>>>
>>>>>You seem a bit cranky.  Perhaps you should have some bran with your
>>>banana.
>>>>>They say that helps.  I was also wondering, do you have an opposable
>>>thumb?
>>>>
>>>>>I hear you had some problems on the Miss Lindsay this Sunday.  Why
>>>>>do you
>>>>>insist on leaving the chase boat inaccessible and untested on the
>>>>>upper
>>>>deck
>>>>>when you tie in?  Don't you realize you are endangering everyone in
>>>>>the
>>>>>water when you do that?  One day your luck will run out.
>>>>>
>>>>>Cheers.
>>>>>
>>>>>Joe
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>
>>>>>To: <joe@po*.co*>; <trey@my*.ne*>;
>>>>>"Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com"
>>>>><techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 12:33 PM
>>>>>Subject: Re: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter Support /
>>>>>WAS -
>>>>>Cheap parts?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I hit the nail on the head with that one, bananas are good for you.
>>>You
>>>>>>just keep on smoking those cancer sticks, dicky do boy........
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   At 08:54 PM 8/19/02 -0400, joe@po*.co* wrote:
>>>>>>>JT, have a bananna.  You'll feel better.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Regards from your friend.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Joe
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>
>>>>>>>To: <joe@po*.co*>; <trey@my*.ne*>;
>>>"Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com"
>>>>>><
>>>>>>>techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>>>>>>>Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 4:54 PM
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter Support /
>>>>WAS -
>>>>>>>Cheap parts?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I had dinner at an Italian restaurant over the weekend and there
>>>was
>>>>>this
>>>>>>>>little curly haired  old guy who looked like a woman does in her
>>>>8th
>>>>>>>month
>>>>>>>>with that stomach sticking out there, sitting at the bar enjoying
>>>>his
>>>>>>>drink
>>>>>>>>and cigarettes. Kinda reminded me of that guy Joe in the AUE
>>>group.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>At 03:44 PM 8/17/02 -0400, joe@po*.co* wrote:
>>>>>>>>>Funny thing about the monkey.  I ran into Marguerite the other
>>>day
>>>>>and
>>>>>>>she
>>>>>>>>>told me she had taught him to shave his body.  He figured he
>>>could
>>>>>pass
>>>>>>>>>himself off as a person and ran away to Hollywood to star in the
>>>>next
>>>>>>>>>version of Planet of The Apes.  When he found out they weren't
>>>>doing
>>>>>>>another
>>>>>>>>>sequel he moved to Virginia Beach where he took a job as a boat
>>>>>captain
>>>>>>>>>named JT.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>From: "George Irvine" <trey@my*.ne*>
>>>>>>>>>To: "Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>>>>>>>>>Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 10:08 AM
>>>>>>>>>Subject: RE: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter Support
>>>/
>>>>>WAS -
>>>>>>>>>Cheap parts?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>JT, the bottom line is that you are not qualified to comment
>>>on
>>>>>>>anything
>>>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>>>diving, and you have proven it repeatedly. You are a bad
>>>>imitation
>>>>>of
>>>>>>>what
>>>>>>>>>>the rest of us do so easily and a complete stroke by anyone's
>>>>>measure,
>>>>>>>>>from
>>>>>>>>>>attitude to execution. Anyone who has seen you in the water
>>>>knows
>>>>>you
>>>>>>>are
>>>>>>>>>>pathetic, anyone who had read your slop on here knows you are
>>>an
>>>>>>>>>illiterate
>>>>>>>>>>moron.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Just as in  Rodney's motor thing with Christina, had she paid
>>>>Rod
>>>>>for
>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>fast motor, she would have had one to start with. You are a
>>>>nickel
>>>>>>>rocket
>>>>>>>>>>of massive proportions, and it shows in all you say , do , and
>>>>>use.
>>>>>>>You
>>>>>>>>>>caught Cobb bailing out of diving ( the right thing for anyone
>>>>to
>>>>>do
>>>>>>>who
>>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>>>subject to your perpetual risk creation) and got his prototype
>>>>>scooter
>>>>>>>>>>cheap, so either sell it back to me or shut up. There is no
>>>way
>>>>>any of
>>>>>>>you
>>>>>>>>>>would have paid for the clutch, and you would not need it if
>>>you
>>>>>were
>>>>>>>not
>>>>>>>>>>so incompetent .
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>You have an obvious reading problem. I said I bought $8,000
>>>>worth
>>>>>of
>>>>>>>Arnie
>>>>>>>>>>clutches that I thought I would never get rid of, since most
>>>>>people do
>>>>>>>not
>>>>>>>>>>need them. I still have more than I will likely be able to
>>>>>>>legitimately
>>>>>>>>>ask
>>>>>>>>>>anyone to buy. Scooters are my life support, and staying
>>>>>constantly
>>>>>>>hands
>>>>>>>>>on
>>>>>>>>>>with them keeps me and
>>>>>>>>>>my team alive in the scooter dependent diving we do , and
>>>>selling
>>>>>them
>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>other groups helps finance the WKPP exploration activities. If
>>>>you
>>>>>>>don't
>>>>>>>>>>like that, too bad - for people like you there is Rodney. If
>>>you
>>>>>don't
>>>>>>>>>like
>>>>>>>>>>the clutch , complain to Mako. In addition, you moron, we do
>>>not
>>>>>use
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>wreck scooter in the WKPP in the first place, we use the PVC
>>>>>standard
>>>>>>>>>>version.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Most people buy the clutches directly form Arnie or NE Scuba.
>>>>The
>>>>>only
>>>>>>>>>>thing that needs to be known about this is that the washers
>>>for
>>>>>the
>>>>>>>other
>>>>>>>>>>clutch will not work with the Arnie , so when they get them
>>>>>installed
>>>>>>>by
>>>>>>>>>me
>>>>>>>>>>, I use the correct washers. I am sure you are going to make
>>>>this
>>>>>>>mistake
>>>>>>>>>>if you can scrape together the 100 bucks or whatever he
>>>charges
>>>>>for
>>>>>>>them.
>>>>>>>>>>Maybe you could make up a cardboard sign that says. "Will work
>>>>for
>>>>>>>clutch"
>>>>>>>>>>and stand at a busy streetcorner and collect the money to buy
>>>>one.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>This list for you is an effort to make yourself look like a
>>>>tough
>>>>>guy,
>>>>>>>but
>>>>>>>>>>all you are doing is making yourself look like one of Jerry's
>>>>>Kids.
>>>>>>>Your
>>>>>>>>>>constant efforts to fight with me are not going to work, no
>>>>matter
>>>>>how
>>>>>>>>>>personal you try to get. You have proven yourself to be an
>>>>>incapable
>>>>>>>diver
>>>>>>>>>>with a stroke attitude who has almost nobody left willing to
>>>>risk
>>>>>>>diving
>>>>>>>>>>with you and certainly nobody willing to listen to you any
>>>more.
>>>>>You
>>>>>>>are
>>>>>>>>>>incapable of learning anything, and I just hope you don't kill
>>>>>anyone,
>>>>>>>>>even
>>>>>>>>>>yourself, since the assholes would claim it to be a "DIR
>>>death."
>>>>>even
>>>>>>>>>>though you have no clue what DIR is.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>--
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>>>>>>>`techdiver@aquanaut.com'.
>>>>>>>>>>Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to
>>>>>>>`techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to
>>>get
>>>>>in
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>water"
>>>>>>>>Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more
>>>>>>>>   Web Site  <http://www.capt-jt.com/>http://www.capt-jt.com/
>>>>>>>>Email     captjt@mi*.co*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get
>>>in
>>>>>the
>>>>>>water"
>>>>>>Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more
>>>>>>   Web Site  <http://www.capt-jt.com/>http://www.capt-jt.com/
>>>>>>Email     captjt@mi*.co*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get
>>>>in
>>>the
>>>>water"
>>>>Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more
>>>>   Web Site  <http://www.capt-jt.com/>http://www.capt-jt.com/
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>>>>
>>>>
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At 11:02 AM 8/23/02 -0400, Jim Cobb wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type=cite cite>Did you know that Mike Pizzio is involved with
this clusterfuck waiting to happen? Where the hell is DIR now? This is
the kind of crap you and Joe need to be hammering, not
JT.</blockquote><br>
Cobb, is this the same Pizzio that was on the AUE accident, is he now a
member of that group? What is his role?<br>
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite> <br>
<br>
As far as this pissing match over the scooters, I am dismayed over a
couple of things. For one I feel responsible for all the guys purchasing
your scooter after you sold me that prototype. The guys saw the logic of
getting a scooter for depth as, once you get one, you realize that a
scooter is not a lazy way to get around but a actual piece of life
support equipment. A scooter can save your ass on a deep dive, conserve
your gas and keep you from getting bent. <br>
<br>
And the fact is that while your scooters have the engineering down better
than anyone else, your QA sucks and everybody had problems with their
scooters other than me. It made me look bad and I don't like that any
more than you do. I have no doubt in my mind that you stick behind your
products 100% up to and including buying them back if the customer is not
satisfied. What would be better, and what everybody wants, is not to ship
the scooter back for a refund, but that the darn things are de-bugged
before shipment. If we are to do the debugging, fine, that should be
stated and it never was. <br>
<br>
All this clutch bruhaha is not about the clutch at all. It is about a
screw backing out allowing a sacrificial clutch component to fry out.
Hell, one prop assembly fell apart in the water right after the diver
entered the water. This is not encouraging stuff for something we
consider life support equipment. As far as the guys were concerned they
had just bought the scooter that went 18,000 ft and is used by some of
the best divers on earth. I figure that problem would be solved by just
using lock-tight on this critical screw, the fix would be that simple.
<br>
<br>
Instead this has become a full-blown pissing match between two people who
I like and respect and I hate to see it happen. I truly wish you and JT
would figure out this scooter thing and make the "wrecker
special" as reliable as the "cave special" as I'm sure it
can be. You have some powerful proponents of the DIR system here in
Virginia Beach and it would really be a shame if they were all alienated
over a dumb screw. <br>
<br>
I know that you have been around a long time, George, and I also know
that you are almost invariably right (much to the consternation of many
on this list). But I think you are wrong about JT. You two may never see
eye to eye but JT is very much into not only himself surviving the dive
but everybody else on the boat, within the realm of reality. Those last 5
words are very important. You can strive to gain true DIR precepts, but
at some point you have to bow to reality or quit diving. It's like taking
a half-step to a wall, you will always get closer and closer but you
won't ever actually get there. At some point you have to deal with your
situation and do the best you can. And JT and others up here are doing
the best they can with what they've got. <br>
<br>
   Jim <br>
<br>
On Friday, August 23, 2002, at 06:49  AM, George Irvine wrote: 
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>Jim, a bunch of us came up there and dove with
all of you and JT did not <br>
want to hear anything from us about how we think it should be done. I
came <br>
up later and went over all of it again. Andrew G came up there and did it
<br>
one more time. JT will listen to nobody, and somebody or sombodies will
die <br>
as a result. Quit defending the guy. He is wrong, and there is no hiding
his <br>
attitude about diving. I think he is a lost cause and needs to be given a
<br>
wide berth. Even if he did things "right", his head is in a
dangerous place. <br>
<br>
I have been around a long time, Jim, and I have yet to be wrong about
<br>
something like this. The best advice I can give anyone is to avoid people
<br>
who think this way. <br>
<br>
-----Original Message----- <br>
From: Jim Cobb
[<a href="mailto:cobber@ci*.co*">mailto:cobber@cisatlantic.com</a>]
<br>
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 9:35 PM <br>
To: Joe <br>
Cc: Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com; trey@my*.ne*; vbtech@ci*.co*; Capt
<br>
JT <br>
Subject: Re: Back to the issues - Capt. CF - was Re: Dangerous Idiot was
<br>
RE: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter Support / WAS - Cheap
<br>
parts? <br>
<br>
<br>
Hey Joe, you are down there and I am up here. I can state without <br>
reservation that you don't know what in the fuck you are talking about.
<br>
<br>
Believe me I know what it's like sitting behind a keyboard and carping
<br>
at people. But at least I do a half-assed attempt to get the facts <br>
straight, something you obviously have not done. <br>
<br>
If you have a problem with JT you need to come up here and dive and 
<br>
show us how it's done. If you don't want to do that then why don't you
<br>
shut the fuck up. <br>
<br>
If you can prove to me that you have never done an deep dive on <br>
anything other than a perfect boat with perfect support and perfect 
<br>
partners and every single one of your dives have been perfect and error
<br>
free then, to use another oft stated saw; "I will kiss your ass in
<br>
Macey's window". <br>
<br>
What I'd like to hear from you (christ, from *anybody* south of <br>
Morehead City) of one of your "less than perfect" dives, how
you <br>
survived it and what lessons you learned. I doubt we will hear anything
<br>
like this from you as it take courage to admit your mistakes. I don't
<br>
think you have the balls to do it. <br>
<br>
People tell me that you are a super experienced, ultra accomplished 
<br>
diver. But you never offer one piece of advice, no data, not one single
<br>
lesson learned. All you can do is sit behind your keyboard and do this
<br>
vendetta against me, JT or anybody else you happen to dislike. <br>
<br>
How about belaying the BS and give us some information. Give us a "I
<br>
learned about diving from that" story. If you truly have the track
<br>
record everybody says you do, I will bet you have quite a few. <br>
<br>
    Jim <br>
<br>
On Thursday, August 22, 2002, at 09:27  PM, Joe wrote: <br>
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>Dear Capt. CF: <br>
<br>
Since you are quite obviously an aberration resulting from generations
<br>
of <br>
inbreeding, I will help you along here by redirecting your limited <br>
attention <br>
span to the issues originally discussed.  Please uncross your eyes
if <br>
that <br>
is possible. <br>
<br>
Please explain to the list which is worse, having a chase boat which
<br>
may or <br>
may not work stowed on the top deck of the dive boat while anchored on
<br>
a <br>
dive, OR, the compounding of this stupidity by putting decompression
<br>
bottles <br>
and a hangbar under the boat while the Captain sleeps. <br>
<br>
Or, perhaps you claim that you no longer do this and that the <br>
chaseboat is <br>
deployed in good working order before divers enter the water and you no
<br>
longer irresponsibly leave it on the top deck in a state of disrepair,
<br>
making the effective rescue of a distressed diver next to impossible?
<br>
Which <br>
is it?  Please tell us. <br>
<br>
While I am at it, please explain to everyone why the Miss Lindsey and
<br>
its <br>
owner are not welcome in the Bahamas anymore.  Shall I go on? <br>
<br>
I think I will. <br>
<br>
Please tell us about the non commercial, commercial dive that you got
<br>
paid <br>
for which resulted in the death of Tai Wilkerson.  Please tell us
who <br>
was <br>
captain of the boat that day and how he complied with all of the OSHA
<br>
regs <br>
re a commercial dive operation.  Tell us how you had the required on
<br>
board <br>
recompression chamber and how it worked like your chase boat.  Also
<br>
tell us <br>
what in water communications were in place and what were the depths 
<br>
and the <br>
gases being used?  Who was Tai's buddy and what was his experience
<br>
level? <br>
Isn't it true that this was his deepest dive ever?  Isn't it also
true <br>
that <br>
when Tai got into trouble his buddy rescued him by shooting him to the
<br>
surface like a Polaris missile?  Tell us how you presided over this
in <br>
your <br>
usual professional way.  Don't bother denying it.  We all know
what <br>
happened.  For a guy that just tells the truth you sure do
"lair" a <br>
lot. <br>
<br>
You say I am a "lair" and you don't smoke dope anymore. 
Then why is <br>
it that <br>
you go through life in a state of perpetual dyslexic confusion <br>
looking like a Jerry Garcia groupie.  And why is it that you have
that <br>
distinct ashen pallor of death that most druggies get after many years
<br>
of <br>
continued abuse.  Is it your liver or the inbreeding?  Or have
you <br>
fried so <br>
many brain cells that you can no longer be sober and look normal? <br>
<br>
Your feeble attempts to discredit me and others is a sham to avoid the
<br>
above <br>
questions which you so ignorantly refuse to address.  As I have said
<br>
before, <br>
you do not qualify to be my tank or towel boy. <br>
<br>
Capt. CF, your stupidity never ceases to amaze me.  Do you really
<br>
think that <br>
your little "private email" would shock or upset me? 
George and I <br>
know each <br>
other 15 years.  I am no more bothered by that "private
email" than he <br>
would <br>
be were the reverse to happen.  It is internet rhetoric. 
Nothing more, <br>
nothing less.  The difference between you and myself is that I see
good <br>
information and recognize it.  You see it and reject it because you
<br>
are mad <br>
at whomever gives you the advice.  I will solve the problem right
now. <br>
JT, <br>
PLEASE, PLEASE, DON'T SHOOT YOURSELF IN THE HEAD. <br>
<br>
Capt. CF, you really need to come down from the tree and put away the
<br>
banjo. <br>
People are desperately trying to give you good advice and information
<br>
and <br>
you continuously reject it and reliably do the opposite.  You are a
<br>
danger <br>
to all around you.  Change your ways.  Give up the dope. 
Get into <br>
therapy. <br>
<br>
All of the above said, I seriously question how ANY lucid business <br>
person <br>
would allow you to take charge of the lives of their passengers. <br>
Given all <br>
of the sound advice you have so ignorantly rejected, were an incident
<br>
to <br>
occur I shudder to think of the legal ramifications.  Your obvious
<br>
defense <br>
would be "Diminished Capacity" which of course you would easily
get <br>
but only <br>
at the expense of your employers, who would undoubtedly be held <br>
criminally <br>
negligent. <br>
<br>
Dive safe, be safe. <br>
<br>
Your friend. <br>
<br>
Joe <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
----- Original Message ----- <br>
From: "George Irvine" <trey@my*.ne*> <br>
To: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>; "Joe"
<joe@po*.co*>; <br>
<trey@my*.ne*>; "Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com"
<techdiver@aquanaut.com> <br>
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 3:52 AM <br>
Subject: Dangerous Idiot was RE: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's
<br>
Scooter Support / WAS - Cheap parts? <br>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>JT, besides you being a petty little wimp, you
just can not stick to <br>
the <br>
subject ( how to safely and properly do these dives) , and you are <br>
the one <br>
who is a "lair". I know Joe for 15 years. Still waiting for him
to <br>
"light <br>
up". <br>
<br>
When these guys ( AUE ) first started out I had a big problem with <br>
some of <br>
their stroke buddies and told them why, and I told them how I would 
<br>
do the <br>
dives. They did not like my "style", but they knew I was right
about <br>
the <br>
diving part, and they eventually got rid of the strokes. <br>
<br>
They did not like me any better than you do. The difference is that 
<br>
these <br>
guys are not morons like you, are not big egos like you ( in your case
<br>
totally undeserved), and they have a legitimate program and are not 
<br>
out <br>
trying to prove something like you are. <br>
<br>
You can keep digging up all the "private" emails you want, the
fact is </blockquote>that <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>right here and now you are a complete stroke
and everyone can see it. <br>
You <br>
want some "private" emails from Kane and Georgitsis about how
<br>
hopeless you <br>
are? How about from anyone who has ever seen you in the water or seen
<br>
your <br>
act? <br>
<br>
The facts are that you do now know what the hell you are doing, you 
<br>
are <br>
risking people's lives with your dangerous idiocy, you can't dive at
<br>
all, <br>
you are an obvious moron, and you have no prospects of changing any of
</blockquote>that. <br>
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>-----Original Message----- <br>
From: Capt JT
[<a href="mailto:captjt@mi*.co*">mailto:captjt@mindspring.com</a>]
<br>
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 4:31 PM <br>
To: Joe; trey@my*.ne*; Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com <br>
Subject: Re: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter Support / 
<br>
WAS <br>
- Cheap parts? <br>
<br>
<br>
Joe, have you been taking lesson on being a lair from G, not one <br>
thing is <br>
true in this post. One thing about not telling the truth on a post. 
<br>
Everyone who sees you will know mine was right on, no hiding that <br>
stomach, <br>
the height, curly hair, or the old face. And if they watch you long 
<br>
enough <br>
you will light up..... <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
  At 11:09 AM 8/21/02 -0700, Joe wrote: <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>Good morning JT: <br>
<br>
It seems the THC in your system has finally taken its toll.  You are
<br>
confused as I not only do not smoke but abhor being around smoke. <br>
<br>
You seem a bit cranky.  Perhaps you should have some bran with your
</blockquote></blockquote>banana. <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite>They say that
helps.  I was also wondering, do you have an opposable
</blockquote></blockquote>thumb? <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>I hear you had some problems on the Miss
Lindsay this Sunday.  Why <br>
do you <br>
insist on leaving the chase boat inaccessible and untested on the <br>
upper </blockquote>deck <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>when you tie in?  Don't you realize you
are endangering everyone in <br>
the <br>
water when you do that?  One day your luck will run out. <br>
<br>
Cheers. <br>
<br>
Joe <br>
<br>
----- Original Message ----- <br>
From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*> <br>
To: <joe@po*.co*>; <trey@my*.ne*>; <br>
"Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com" <br>
<techdiver@aquanaut.com> <br>
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 12:33 PM <br>
Subject: Re: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter Support / 
<br>
WAS - <br>
Cheap parts? <br>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>I hit the nail on the head with that one,
bananas are good for you. </blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>You
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote
type=cite cite>just
keep on smoking those cancer sticks, dicky do boy........ <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
  At 08:54 PM 8/19/02 -0400, joe@po*.co* wrote: <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>JT, have a bananna.  You'll feel better.
<br>
<br>
Regards from your friend. <br>
<br>
Joe <br>
<br>
----- Original Message ----- <br>
From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*> <br>
To: <joe@po*.co*>; <trey@my*.ne*>;
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>"Techdiver@
Aquanaut.Com"
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote
type=cite cite><<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>techdiver@aquanaut.com> <br>
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 4:54 PM <br>
Subject: Re: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter Support /
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>WAS - <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote
type=cite cite>Cheap
parts? <br>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>I had dinner at an Italian restaurant over the
weekend and there
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
was
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite>this <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote
type=cite cite>little
curly haired  old guy who looked like a woman does in her
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>8th <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote
type=cite cite>month
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>with that stomach sticking out there, sitting
at the bar enjoying
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>his <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote
type=cite cite>drink
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>and cigarettes. Kinda reminded me of that guy
Joe in the AUE
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
group.
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote
type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite><br>
    <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>At 03:44 PM 8/17/02 -0400,
joe@po*.co* wrote: <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>Funny thing about the monkey.  I ran into
Marguerite the other
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
</blockquote>day
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite>and <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite>she <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite>told me she had
taught him to shave his body.  He figured he
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
</blockquote>could
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite>pass <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote
type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite>himself
off as a person and ran away to Hollywood to star in the
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
next
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote
type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite
cite>version
of Planet of The Apes.  When he found out they weren't
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
doing
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote
type=cite cite>another
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite>sequel he moved to
Virginia Beach where he took a job as a boat
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>captain <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote
type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite>named
JT. <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
----- Original Message ----- <br>
From: "George Irvine" <trey@my*.ne*> <br>
To: "Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
<br>
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 10:08 AM <br>
Subject: RE: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter Support
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
</blockquote>/
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite>WAS - <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote
type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite>Cheap
parts? <br>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>JT, the bottom line is that you are not
qualified to comment
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
</blockquote></blockquote>on
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote
type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite>anything
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite>in <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>diving, and you have proven it repeatedly. You
are a bad
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
</blockquote>imitation
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>of <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite>what <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote
type=cite cite>the
rest of us do so easily and a complete stroke by anyone's
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
measure,
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote
type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite>from
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>attitude to execution. Anyone who has seen you
in the water
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
</blockquote>knows
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>you <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite>are <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote
type=cite cite>pathetic,
anyone who had read your slop on here knows you are
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
</blockquote></blockquote>an
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote
type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite
cite><blockquote type=cite cite>illiterate
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>moron. <br>
<br>
Just as in  Rodney's motor thing with Christina, had she paid
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
</blockquote>Rod
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>for <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite>a <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote
type=cite cite>fast
motor, she would have had one to start with. You are a
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
</blockquote>nickel
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote
type=cite cite>rocket
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote
type=cite cite>of
massive proportions, and it shows in all you say , do , and
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
use.
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite>You <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote
type=cite cite>caught
Cobb bailing out of diving ( the right thing for anyone
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
</blockquote>to
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>do <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite>who <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite>is <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>subject to your perpetual risk creation) and
got his prototype
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
scooter
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote
type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite
cite>cheap,
so either sell it back to me or shut up. There is no
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
</blockquote></blockquote>way
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite>any of <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite>you <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote
type=cite cite>would
have paid for the clutch, and you would not need it if
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
</blockquote></blockquote>you
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite>were <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite>not <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote
type=cite cite>so
incompetent . <br>
<br>
You have an obvious reading problem. I said I bought $8,000
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
</blockquote>worth
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>of <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite>Arnie <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote
type=cite cite>clutches
that I thought I would never get rid of, since most
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
people
do <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite>not <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote
type=cite cite>need
them. I still have more than I will likely be able to
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>legitimately <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite>ask <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>anyone to buy. Scooters are my life support,
and staying
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
constantly
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite>hands <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite>on <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>with them keeps me and <br>
my team alive in the scooter dependent diving we do , and
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
</blockquote>selling
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>them <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite>to <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote
type=cite cite>other
groups helps finance the WKPP exploration activities. If
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
</blockquote>you
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote
type=cite cite>don't
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote
type=cite cite>like
that, too bad - for people like you there is Rodney. If
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
</blockquote></blockquote>you
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite>don't <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote
type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite>like
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>the clutch , complain to Mako. In addition,
you moron, we do
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
</blockquote></blockquote>not
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite>use <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite>the <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote
type=cite cite>wreck
scooter in the WKPP in the first place, we use the PVC
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
standard
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote
type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite
cite>version.
<br>
<br>
Most people buy the clutches directly form Arnie or NE Scuba.
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
</blockquote>The
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>only <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote
type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite>thing
that needs to be known about this is that the washers
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
</blockquote></blockquote>for
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite>the <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite>other <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote
type=cite cite>clutch
will not work with the Arnie , so when they get them
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
installed
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite>by <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite>me <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>, I use the correct washers. I am sure you are
going to make
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
</blockquote>this
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote
type=cite cite>mistake
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote
type=cite cite>if
you can scrape together the 100 bucks or whatever he
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
</blockquote></blockquote>charges
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite>for <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite>them. <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote
type=cite cite>Maybe
you could make up a cardboard sign that says. "Will work
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
</blockquote>for
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote
type=cite cite>clutch"
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote
type=cite cite>and
stand at a busy streetcorner and collect the money to buy
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
</blockquote>one.
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote
type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite
cite><br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>This list for you is an effort to make
yourself look like a
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
</blockquote>tough
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>guy, <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite>but <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote
type=cite cite>all
you are doing is making yourself look like one of Jerry's
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
Kids.
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite>Your <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote
type=cite cite>constant
efforts to fight with me are not going to work, no
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
</blockquote>matter
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>how <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote
type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite
cite>personal
you try to get. You have proven yourself to be an
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
incapable
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite>diver <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote
type=cite cite>with
a stroke attitude who has almost nobody left willing to
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
</blockquote>risk
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote
type=cite cite>diving
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote
type=cite cite>with
you and certainly nobody willing to listen to you any
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
</blockquote></blockquote>more.
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite>You <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite>are <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote
type=cite cite>incapable
of learning anything, and I just hope you don't kill
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
anyone,
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote
type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite>even
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>yourself, since the assholes would claim it to
be a "DIR
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
</blockquote></blockquote>death."
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite>even <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote
type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite
cite>though
you have no clue what DIR is. <br>
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