JT, if you or your boys don't like the scooters, I will take them back and
give you your money back. If you need something , call me or write like
anyone else and get it like anyone else.

-----Original Message-----
From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 4:05 PM
To: George Irvine; George Irvine
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com; vbtech@ci*.co*
Subject: RE: Cut to the chaseRE: VBTech vs. Nova Tech


They already tried that with you, I don't mind going public with anything.
Remember the reed switch, you pounded that guy in private and I finally
told him to tell you to send a new switch and pay for it, the dam thing
never worked right from the minute he got the scooter. Then you told him
you probably broke it building the scooter. Then one of the guys got one
that ran backwards. Below is the post I made on VBtech about the scootors,
this is when first noticed the reedswitch problem. The clutch problem I
looked at last night, once it slips it isn't anymore good looks like as the
plastic just smooths over. It is a design problem, nothing you did this
time.

At 07:49 PM 2/18/02 -0500, JT wrote:
Hi everyone
Short trip report on this past weekends gavin scooter test . Dave Widen ,
Tom Sawicki, and myself headed for lake Rawlings on Sunday to test 3 gavin
scooters. Dave and Tom had their own scooters they had just purchased and I
was using Cobbs. None had been used by us in the water yet and only Cobbs
had been test run by George on a dive.

We arrived at the lake after a bit of delay and soon geared up for the
dive. We all chose to dive streamed lined (no stages or lights) to
concentrate on the scooter itself. The water was 49 degrees and I felt very
comfortable in it.

We all entered the water and I asked if everyone was ready and they said
yes. I submerged and scootered about 40ft and looked back to find no one
there. I waited about 3 minutes and Tom came out, I asked where Dave was
and he did a funny motion to the scooter, we surfaced because I could not
understand what he was saying.

If seems as we all submerged to go, Tom and I were the only ones headed to
the center of the lake. Dave on the other hand soon found he was being
pushed back to the parking lot, his scooter was running backwards.

Tom and I did a short run of 10 minures to come back and get Dave. Dave had
taken his scooter apart to find the wires had been crossed in the engine
compartment, he crossed the wires at the plug and was ready to go, the
scooter had cut a 1/4 of inch off his nose when it backed into his face and
I thought I heard him mumble something about calling Alton Hall just before
he went underwater. ;-)) (joking a bit here)

We did a complete lap and a half around the lake in 36 minutes, we were
really moving. Things we found out.

Tom's reedswitch sticks and needs to be turned, much like Todds was.

Dave and Cobb's are about the same speed, Tom's is faster.
The scooters need about 1.5 lbs to be neutral in FW.
The weight must be placed perfect to get it balanced for the handle to ride
up right.
The motors have so much torque that the handle wants to rotate to the left,
this requires you to use a lot of wrist and arm muscle to keep the trigger
and handle up right.
If the tow rope is not perfect the scooter pulls up or down, never even.
Over all I was pleased with the scooters, much of the things are easily
corrected and operator error.
Several of these things will be adjusted this week and we plan to return to
lake Rawlings this Saturday with a large group for training and testing. We
will have several "kinds" of scooters for testing and playing, this is
where you test new gear, not on an ocean dive that is a real deal and cost
a lot. Contact Dave Widen he is the coordinator for the dive.
Hope to see you guys there.
JT



    At 06:41 AM 8/1/02 -0400, George Irvine wrote:

>Try calling me and asking . Everyone and anyone else on your team or
>anywhere else who has one merely emails me or calls me if they need
>something, and they get it immediately. You  are too "proud" to call and
ask
>me, like I told you to do in the fist place.
>
>Now you can this to your list of "confessions". You need a priest and a set
>of Rosary beads, not Techdiver.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]
>Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 5:24 PM
>To: George Irvine
>Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com; vbtech@ci*.co*
>Subject: Re: Cut to the chaseRE: VBTech vs. Nova Tech
>
>
>George, make any suggestion you want, it matters not to me. But you can
>help us up here. We are having some problems with your scooters and the
>guys are a bit reluctant about asking you how to fix them. 2 of them the
>clutch is slipping and the trigger keeps coming off of one. Any suggestions
>on the clutch problem, the scooters are unusable at this time.
>
>
>
>    At 09:21 PM 7/30/02 -0400, George Irvine wrote:
> >JT, let's cut to the chase here: everytime I make a suggestion , you want
> >to fight about it while ignoring the suggestion. If anyone else makes the
> >same suggestion, you want to "challenge" them to a dive.  Just ague the
> >suggestion, not what you think I do or did or what anyone else does .
> >
> >Everytime there is a real idiot, like the guy on the Seeker who wants to
do
> >battle with me or my friends, you want to defend them. If you want to
keep
> >doing that, take it off line. You can express your paranoia and your
> >concern about my "agenda" without wasting everyone else's time.
> >
> >You are so upset that people listen to me, and you are especially
concerned
> >if they buy some piece of gear that I use. Why don't you take over for me
> >and show everyone what the good stuff is? ( I can answer why you do not
and
> >why nobody listens to you - you don't have any and you don't know). But
you
> >can stay all upset about it. Most of the jerks who want to fight with me
>all
> >the time have the same beef, only no better answers.
> >
> >You get on here year after year with stories of deaths , accidents and
> >clusterfucks with your latest "confession" ( like failing Fundamentals),
> >and then go do the same things over and over and over again while
expecting
> >different results. Then you want to assume that everyone else has the
same
> >self-imposed problems, and go into paranoia mode about it.
> >
> >You need to worry about yourself. You are not qualified to worry about
> >anyone else. By the way, your "tough guy" attitude about diving is Page
One
> >definition of a stroke.
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]
> >Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 4:43 PM
> >To: girvine@be*.ne*
> >Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com; vbtech@ci*.co*
> >Subject: RE: VBTech vs. Nova Tech
> >
> >
> >I see the truth really gets to you, blows your cover of doing everything
> >right and by the book. I am the biggest thorn in your back because I just
> >tell the truth, nothing more. I do not have to claim to dive in 28ft seas
> >(funny how it was reduced to a mere 19ft at the next DIR class and then
> >increased the deep dive of 475ft to the following) or do 575ft dives to
> >impress the class, most students are of the new type and just eager to
fit
> >in with someone or group and believe anything. I've been around awhile
and
> >tend to check out the facts or just laugh at the obvious.
>
>
>"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in the
>water"
>Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more
>   Web Site  http://www.capt-jt.com/
>Email     captjt@mi*.co*
>
>
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