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Brian, those who are desperate to prove something and "validate" themselves
find depth a big talking point. We at WKPP do everything we can to make
depth a non-issue - that is called tech diving.
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Hunter [mailto:karri.hunter@ve*.ne*]
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 4:41 PM
To: VBTech list; techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: Nova Tech Dive Report 7/21/02 & Lessons Learned
Who gives a fuck how deep you dive! It's not about depth, it's about FUN
and SAFETY! SAFETY! Get it SAFETY one more time so your dumbass will get it
SAFETY. After all I'm hearing I don't know if I really want to dive with
you. I think I will listen to George, you're a fuck up.
Brian Hunter
DIR Always
----- Original Message -----
From: Capt JT
To: VBTech list
Cc: 'Allyson' ; trey@my*.ne*
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 10:02 PM
Subject: Re: Nova Tech Dive Report 7/21/02 & Lessons Learned
I see you are trying to narrow down the playing field, dropped all list
but VBtech and of course George, your ego is to thin, your leading a group
of quarry divers, you have only 7 ocean dives this year 2 were on Sunday and
3 the weekend before, 2 in April....... nothing past 130ft , your a weenie
diver......
At 09:51 PM 7/24/02 -0400, Capt JT wrote:
Your so fucked up, I've been waiting for this, you have the wrong Bob.
I saw that right away in your emails and was laughing my ass off, you don't
know who's who or what to do.
At 08:16 PM 7/24/02 -0400, Todd Clagett wrote:
This is pretty funny. Your ego got damaged because I told you
Stella and Bob were not ready to do the Barque (250'). You then started to
pull out everything that we had ever done wrong. I admit, I have done
plenty wrong in the water. It was mostly when I was listening to the VB
tech crowd. The fact is you are mad becasue people see the stupid things
you do as just that, STUPID.
I guess you are the one who let Bob go to the bottom on the Ethel C.
with a stage bottle of O2 turned completely on because he didn't have the
correct regulator? Or was that somebody else. I thought you would take my
advice when I said these folks weren't ready, but you took it personal for
some reason. I make mistakes and so do all others I know. You better be
ready to react to the mistakes when they happen.
You always say your good judgement saved Becky when she ox-toxed on
the Doria (because you paired her with Rick). How many dives in doubles did
she have? I recall seeing her on the boat about 3 weeks before in doubles
for the first time. I would say your good judgement almos killed a very
nice girl! You don't get it now and you never will.
Allyson did not have her isolator closed. It wouldn't matter if she
did though, we would have handled that too! I doubt you would have been
close enough to help had you been her buddy. It would have been another
"heart attack".
The only thing I said on the boat was that we were in a gas sharing
situation and then the daltons went back for some of my gear. Jeff said
"why the fuck were you gas sharing for a reg failure?" I replied......She
wants fucking gas, she gets gas. End of story. Why does this have to be a
conspiracy? You are paranoid man, chill out. I have nothing to gain by
lying, mainly because it doesn't matter. Diving doesn't define me, validate
me, or justify me like it does you. I think you better learn how to dive a
little better since it validates your life so much.
Tell me about boat captains and when they can dive and sleep. I am
really interested to hear this one.
Todd
-----Original Message-----
From: VBTech list [mailto:VBTech@ci*.co*]On Behalf Of
Capt JT
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 7:37 PM
To: VBTech list
Cc: Allyson; trey@my*.ne*; andrewg@fi*.co*;
techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: Nova Tech Dive Report 7/21/02 & Lessons Learned
Funny thing about egos, you push them enough and they will come
out.........the fact is Todd came up and told what happen(most divers do at
first and then change the story to save their egos), you and I assume Todd
were doing this new DIR drill you think you've learned and some how you left
the boat with your isolator and your back up reg closed only breathing off
your primary. At about 20mins (which is right for your size tanks and SAC)
you ran out of gas, switched to your back up and got shit........ In the
panic once you got on Todd's gas started back to the anchor, this is where
I'm waiting for someone to put the real story together from the posted story
it ain't hard to do, all they have to do is read and put the pieces
together.
The fact is I saw the email that Todd challenged Dave to go
public on these list about who you did not want to go on some trips.........
I wanted it to happen, Dave did not as not to put names on the
list.........I could give a fuck........ So when Todd started his little
private cc posting I smashed all your dicks (even though you don't have one)
with the truth about your skills and past history, we have been protecting
you guys all the time and I knew it would be just a matter of time before
you fucked up and Dave nor I was there to correct it. Funny, the divers you
were worried about did fine.........you guys have the problem.
Here is another noticeable thing..........you now include the
VBtech list, Dalton didn't because he knew that some on the boat are only on
that list.
At 06:30 PM 7/24/02 -0400, Allyson wrote:
I am absolutely in awe over how obtuse you are. Who the hell
do you think you are talking to? This is me, JT. Dalton didn't write about
some of the details you mention because they didn't happen to him, not
because he is trying to protect our "frail egos" or "cover [anything] up,"
please! I do not give a flying f*@% about anyone's ego. Todd and I will be
glad to talk about those details that you say were suspiciously left out,
and we plan on it. We'll talk about *everything.*
Do you think I actually jumped off the boat into 118fsw with
no valves on? If you think that was ever a possibility from me you should
have never invited me on the trips that you have lead. You must not think
much of me at all to even think that a possibility and I must be some sort
of super diver with a SAC rate of almost zero to be able to stay on the
bottom for 17 minutes with two off valves and then to continue on my own
accord through my slow ascent/decompression; that would make me some sort of
physiological oddity. Why didn't you just ask me what happened before you
came to the table with your plate full of usual tired misinformed rhetoric?
I see that you are chomping at the bit to confront us and that is amusing. I
suggest you get off your "high horse" before you get knocked off. Your
attitude is sickening. Is this what you do to validate yourself?
Before each dive we have been checking every facet of our gear
and ensuring that it is operational because we subscribe to the belief that
what each of us is carrying belongs to the entire team. After our team
checks, everything on my person was operational and behaving as it should,
including my SPG, the needle never bounced when I took not 3 but 6 breaths
from my back up reg on the surface, the extra 3 breaths were done to satisfy
my buddy because he didn't witness me do it the first time. You have no idea
what happened to me, not the foggiest...do you know how I know this? Because
we didn't tell anyone on the boat what happened to me except that we shared
air--we were intentionally unclear because no one on the boat cared for one
another as evidenced by the completely unprofessional cluster f*@% that
later occurred and the misinformation regarding me that you received from
your "drooling informants."
I have put my heart and soul into this sport because I respect
the fact that the ocean is not my natural environment and that mother nature
can be a real bitch. There was no panic on our parts, a detail that you must
have just made up. Panic will get one killed. Remedying *my* situation went
smoothly because we took the philosophy and the procedures that AG and MHK
taught and used them and that includes the countless hours me and my buddies
have spent in the quarry practicing and preparing for "real dives" and any
situations that arise on those dives. My brief moment of not being able to
access my gas did not even upset me because I knew my buddy, Todd, would be
there for me once I alerted him, and he was in my face instantly watching me
make a reg switch and when he saw I wasn't satisfied with that solution he
had gas in my mouth in seconds and it was executed calmly. There is
something to be said about having a procedure in place to handle would be
emergencies. And I was also aware of the fact that it was an impossibility
for me to actually be out of gas. I can't stress how crucial superb buddy
skills are to the diving system. One interesting aspect of the DIR system is
that whether my equipment failed me or I failed myself there was still
another safe way out.
And, JT, I write this knowing full well that you will put this
in your Allyson Clagett email file so that you can throw it back in my face
when it's convenient for you to do so and most probably attempt to poke a
hole through every thing I or my buddies say. What kind of person does that?
Better yet, what kind of *friend* does that? If you actually have some
constructive criticism I will welcome it with open arms but at this point I
am not hopeful that is what your intentions are. I will save you the trouble
of publicly publishing this by doing so myself. If you ever want to have a
real conversation with me, like a mature adult would do, and not the
nonsensical Internet bully email crap that has become your style you have my
phone number. I'll happily speak with you--but I'll never dive with you
again your general attitude sucks and GI is right, yet again, you are
obstinate... but I believe his exact words were hard headed and incapable of
learning.
Happy Internet diving, JT, I know you enjoy it.
-----Original Message-----
From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 4:22 PM
To: dmdalton
Cc: allysonlc@ea*.ne*; toddclagett@ea*.ne*
Subject: Re: Nova Tech Dive Report 7/21/02 & Lessons Learned
Dave, I have read your report and I have been informed by
others on the
boat what really went down. I am answering this private and
will at this
point keep it that way until you are not able to cover the
flack I
suspect will come from the report on techdiver. Several
important details
you left out to cover ones egos, shut off valves(not 1 but 2)
, panic,
drifting away when no one else had a problem with the current,
ect.......... and are suggesting that the BOAT should have
done something
different, when all problems were caused by the divers
themselves. Cover
your own egos best you can if any questions start and cover
the boat or I
will........I know what really happened, this is one you
should not have
posted, you guys are too "thin skinned" to handle a seasoned
diver drilling
this report.
At 10:37 AM 7/23/02 -0700, you wrote:
>Trip report:
>
>Sunday, July 21, 2002 found 4 Nova Tech divers diving
>out of Virginia Beach, VA on the Miss Lindsey with
>others with whom they regularly dive of the VB Tech
>group. Nova Tech group divers consisted of Todd
>Clagett and Allyson Clagett diving as a buddy team 1
>and David Dalton, Sr. & David Dalton, Jr. diving as
>buddy team 2. Team 1 is generally more interested in
>artifact recovery and Team 2 leans more toward
>sightseeing.
>
>We arrived at the site of the Eureka (118 fsw) at
>approximately 10:30, geared up and were in the water
>at 11:30. Visibility was a spectacular 70 ft and
>water temps on the bottom were a pleasant 61 degrees,
>with surface temp being much warmer. There was a
>strong current and it was very nice to be using
>scooters to deal with it. More on that later!
>
>Team 1 went right to digging in a hole that wasn't
>more than 15 feet from where the wreck was tied in.
>They left the numerous bottles they unearthed for the
>second dive bringing up just one. Team 2 toured the
>wreck with D1 (Sr) pulling D2 (Jr) with his Gavin
>scooter. D2 carried a camera and shot two rolls which
>are in the process of being developed as I write. The
>clarity of the water allowed one to get a very good
>understanding of the layout of the wreck. Viewing the
>two large anchors on the port side of the bow, at the
>same time was incredible. Both Teams completed their
>planned 40 minute bottom times and required deco and
>got back on board.
>
>Todd advised that he had just broken into a new crate
>of bottles and showed one he had stuffed in his
>pocket, a square bottle of Dr. Prichard's Castoria
>with the good doctor's name and the product name cast
>into the bottle. Although these bottles were from the
>1890's when this ship sunk, D1 is old enough (54) to
>remember taking this patent medicine as a child. It
>was still sold in a square bottle and appeared that
>the only change was from a cork to a screw top.
>
>Todd's discovery generated considerable excitement
>between both teams and both decided to concentrate on
>excavating that hole on the second dive.
>
>Both teams brought bags down to carry back bottles on
>the second dive. Todd, being the master digger with a
>scooter, went to work while the other 3 stuffed the
>bags as he handed out bottles.
>
>About 20 minutes into the dive Allyson developed a
>problem with one of her regs and after the situation
>was handled both teams decided to end the dive. Team
>1 started their ascent and deco and Team 2 hooked up
>the two bags of bottles and started their ascent.
>Rather than hang on the line like a flag in the breeze
>we were doing "drift and run deco". Drift 50 or 60
>feet from the anchor line and then run back to it with
>the scooter, then drift again and repeat, obviously
>only a technique one would employ in good viz.
>Between 40 & 50 feet the current picked up quite a bit
>and we (Team 2) inadvertently drifted out of sight of
>the anchor line. We ran some circular patterns on the
>scooter but to no avail. We settled in, shot a bag,
>completed our deco drift style, and upon completion
>surfaced to find the boat several hundred yards away.
>We dropped down to 15 feet and scootered toward the
>boat for about 2 minutes. We surfaced again and saw
>that we were making progress so we dropped down and
>tried it again. This time I could hear the motor on
>the scooter slowing and realized we were out of juice.
>
>We returned to the surface, and found we were even
>farther away than before. We fully inflated the lift
>bag, hooked up the dive-alerts an honked them and
>flashed the HID light in the direction of the boat.
>
>Todd later advised that he saw us as soon as we
>surfaced but we were not aware of this. Consequently
>we continued to signal and honk. Interestingly no one
>heard the dive alert (other than us!) and the HID
>light (a 10 Watt EE Pro 6) was more visible than the
>yellow lift bag. (Note to self: Never dive in the
>ocean without the HID!)
>
>As we were the last divers in the water the boat
>didn't have to wait TOOOOOOOOO long before coming to
>get us. The mate went in to pull the hook, they
>pulled up the hangbars and gear lines and got
>underway. All of this took about 30 minutes which
>doesn't seem like too long, but when you don't know if
>anyone knows where you are and you re drifting farther
>and farther from the boat, I can assure you it seems
>like much longer!
>
>Lessons learned:
>
>1) Switch batteries on the scooter between dives. If
>we had fresh batteries in the scooter we could have
>made it back to the boat even following our drift
>deco.
>
>2) Make sure you have appropriate signaling devices.
>Lift bag, safety sausage, HID light, dive-alert. On
>the last, while the dive-alert has it's place, which
>is probably in situations where fog blows in and you
>are relatively close to the boat, its not much good at
>longer distances as I have now learned.
>
>Along this same line it would be comforting for the
>team in the water if the boat had someway of signaling
>back that they knew where you were and would come get
>you shortly (Horn, flare, guy in a lime green drysuit
>waving his arms on the top of the boat)!
>
>3) This situation pointed out the need for chase boats
>when diving in strong currents, or for the boat to be
>able to put a float on the anchor line, so they can
>leave to pick up/attend to the divers on a lift bag.
>While the Miss Lindsey has a chase boat it was not
>used in this case. In this case we were able to
>complete our deco, surface and wait to be picked up.
>If a diver was injured or did not have appropriate gas
>to complete his deco (like hanging it off the boat
>instead of carrying it with you) the outcome might not
>have been as favorable.
>
>4) Stay calm. While we were concerned as to whether
>or not anyone knew where we were, we remained calm
>which helped to contribute to the favorable outcome of
>this dive. There was no reason to panic, the water
>was warm, we were in trilam drysuits with thinsulate
>undergarments, we had a 10 watt hid that would burn
>for 5 + hours which would be especially good for
>signaling in the dusk or at night and we had 4 back up
>lights between us. We had just eaten several Miss
>Lindsey "Deco Dogs" before the second dive so our
>nutritional requirements were taken care of (those
>things will stay with you forever!). We were well
>hydrated and I had a P-valve in my drysuit - too bad
>my son did not (You've never seen anyone get out of a
>drysuit and run for the head so fast)!!!!
>
>5) If you are doing a "drift and run" deco, make sure
>you don't lose sight of the anchor line.
>
>All in all, it was an incredible day of diving, great
>weather, great viz, great bottles (yes we still had
>both bags when we got back on the boat), and a very
>worthwhile learning experience. What more could you
>ask for?
>
>Dave Dalton
>
>
>=====
>Dave Dalton
>
>"You just can't show up for "Game Day" and expect to win.
> You've got to go to practice if you want to be ready!"
>
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D056561100-26072002><FONT face=3DArial
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size=3D2>Brian,=20
those who are desperate to prove something and "validate" themselves =
find depth=20
a big talking point. We at WKPP do everything we can to make depth a =
non-issue -=20
that is called tech diving.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Brian Hunter=20
[mailto:karri.hunter@ve*.ne*]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 25, =
2002 4:41=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B> VBTech list; =
techdiver@aquanaut.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:=20
Nova Tech Dive Report 7/21/02 & Lessons =
Learned<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Who gives a fuck how deep you dive! =
It's not=20
about depth, it's about FUN and SAFETY! SAFETY! Get it SAFETY one more =
time so=20
your dumbass will get it SAFETY. After all I'm hearing I don't know if =
I=20
really want to dive with you. I think I will listen to George, you're =
a fuck=20
up.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Brian Hunter</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> DIR Always</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dcaptjt@mi*.co* =
href=3D"mailto:captjt@mi*.co*">Capt=20
JT</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3DVBTech@ci*.co*=20
href=3D"mailto:VBTech@ci*.co*">VBTech list</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A=20
title=3Dallysonclagett@ea*.ne*=20
href=3D"mailto:allysonclagett@ea*.ne*">'Allyson'</A> ; <A=20
title=3Dtrey@my*.ne* =
href=3D"mailto:trey@my*.ne*">trey@myacc.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 24, =
2002 10:02=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Nova Tech Dive
=
Report=20
7/21/02 & Lessons Learned</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I see you are trying to narrow down the playing =
field,=20
dropped all list but VBtech and of course George, your ego is to =
thin, your=20
leading a group of quarry divers, you have only 7 ocean dives this =
year 2=20
were on Sunday and 3 the weekend before, 2 in April....... nothing =
past=20
130ft , your a weenie diver......<BR><BR><BR> At 09:51 PM =
7/24/02=20
-0400, Capt JT wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=3D"" type=3D"cite">Your so fucked up, I've been =
waiting for=20
this, you have the wrong Bob. I saw that right away in your emails =
and was=20
laughing my ass off, you don't know who's who or what to do.=20
<BR><BR><BR>At 08:16 PM 7/24/02 -0400, Todd Clagett =
wrote:<BR><FONT=20
face=3Darial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=3D"" type=3D"cite">This is pretty funny. =
Your ego got=20
damaged because I told you Stella and Bob were not ready to do =
the=20
Barque (250'). You then started to pull out everything =
that we had=20
ever done wrong. I admit, I have done plenty wrong in the=20
water. It was mostly when I was listening to the VB tech=20
crowd. The fact is you are mad becasue people see the =
stupid=20
things you do as just that, STUPID. =
</FONT><BR> <BR><FONT=20
face=3Darial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I guess you are the one =
who let Bob go=20
to the bottom on the Ethel C. with a stage bottle of O2 turned=20
completely on because he didn't have the correct =
regulator? Or was=20
that somebody else. I thought you would take my advice =
when I said=20
these folks weren't ready, but you took it personal for some=20
reason. I make mistakes and so do all others I know. =
You=20
better be ready to react to the mistakes when they happen. =
</FONT><BR> <BR><FONT face=3Darial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>You always=20
say your good judgement saved Becky when she ox-toxed on the =
Doria=20
(because you paired her with Rick). How many dives in =
doubles did=20
she have? I recall seeing her on the boat about 3 weeks =
before in=20
doubles for the first time. I would say your good =
judgement almos=20
killed a very nice girl! You don't get it now and you =
never=20
will. </FONT><BR> <BR><FONT face=3Darial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Allyson did not have her isolator closed. It =
wouldn't=20
matter if she did though, we would have handled that too! =
I doubt=20
you would have been close enough to help had you been her =
buddy. =20
It would have been another "heart attack". =20
</FONT><BR> <BR><FONT face=3Darial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>The only=20
thing I said on the boat was that we were in a gas sharing =
situation and=20
then the daltons went back for some of my gear. Jeff said =
"why the=20
fuck were you gas sharing for a reg failure?" I =
replied......She=20
wants fucking gas, she gets gas. End of story. Why =
does this=20
have to be a conspiracy? You are paranoid man, chill =
out. I=20
have nothing to gain by lying, mainly because it doesn't =
matter. =20
Diving doesn't define me, validate me, or justify me like it =
does=20
you. I think you better learn how to dive a little better =
since it=20
validates your life so much.
</FONT><BR> <BR><FONT =
face=3Darial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Tell me about boat captains and when =
they can dive=20
and sleep. I am really interested to hear this =
one. =20
</FONT><BR> <BR><FONT face=3Darial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Todd</FONT>=20
<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT face=3Dtahoma size=3D2>
<DL>
<DD>-----Original Message-----=20
<DD>From: VBTech list [<A =
href=3D"mailto:VBTech@ci*.co*%5DOn"=20
eudora=3D"autourl">mailto:VBTech@ci*.co*]On</A> =
Behalf Of Capt=20
JT=20
<DD>Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 7:37 PM=20
<DD>To: VBTech list=20
<DD>Cc: Allyson; trey@my*.ne*; andrewg@fi*.co*;=20
techdiver@aquanaut.com=20
<DD>Subject: Re: Nova Tech Dive Report 7/21/02 & Lessons =
Learned<BR><BR></FONT>
<DD>Funny thing about egos, you push them enough and they =
will come=20
out.........the fact is Todd came up and told what =
happen(most=20
divers do at first and then change the story to save their =
egos),=20
you and I assume Todd were doing this new DIR drill you =
think you've=20
learned and some how you left the boat with your isolator =
and your=20
back up reg closed only breathing off your primary. At about =
20mins=20
(which is right for your size tanks and SAC) you ran out of =
gas,=20
switched to your back up and got shit........ In the panic =
once you=20
got on Todd's gas started back to the anchor, this is where =
I'm=20
waiting for someone to put the real story together from the =
posted=20
story it ain't hard to do, all they have to do is read and =
put the=20
pieces together.<BR><BR>
<DD>The fact is I saw the email that Todd challenged Dave to =
go=20
public on these list about who you did not want to go on =
some=20
trips......... I wanted it to happen, Dave did not as not to =
put=20
names on the list.........I could give a fuck........ So =
when Todd=20
started his little private cc posting I smashed all your =
dicks (even=20
though you don't have one) with the truth about your skills =
and past=20
history, we have been protecting you guys all the time and I =
knew it=20
would be just a matter of time before you fucked up and Dave =
nor I=20
was there to correct it. Funny, the divers you were worried =
about=20
did fine.........you guys have the problem.<BR><BR>
<DD>Here is another noticeable thing..........you now =
include the=20
VBtech list, Dalton didn't because he knew that some on the =
boat are=20
only on that list.=20
=
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;BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><=
BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DD>At 06:30 PM 7/24/02 -0400, Allyson
wrote:<BR><BR><FONT=20
face=3Darial color=3D#000080 size=3D2>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=3D"" type=3D"cite">
<DD>I am absolutely in awe over how obtuse you are. Who =
the hell=20
do you think you are talking to? This is me, JT. Dalton =
didn't=20
write about some of the details you mention because they =
didn't=20
happen to him, not because he is trying to protect our =
"frail=20
egos" or "cover [anything] up," please! I do not give a =
flying=20
f*@% about anyone's ego. Todd and I will be glad to talk =
about=20
those details that you say were suspiciously left out, and =
we plan=20
on it. We'll talk about *everything.*</FONT>=20
<DD>Do you think I actually jumped off the boat into =
118fsw with=20
no valves on? If you think that was ever a possibility =
from me you=20
should have never invited me on the trips that you have =
lead. You=20
must not think much of me at all to even think that a =
possibility=20
and I must be some sort of super diver with a SAC rate of =
almost=20
zero to be able to stay on the bottom for 17 minutes with =
two off=20
valves and then to continue on my own accord through my =
slow=20
ascent/decompression; that would make me some sort of=20
physiological oddity. Why didn't you just ask me what =
happened=20
before you came to the table with your plate full of usual =
tired=20
misinformed rhetoric? I see that you are chomping at the =
bit to=20
confront us and that is amusing. I suggest you get off =
your "high=20
horse" before you get knocked off. Your attitude is =
sickening. Is=20
this what you do to validate yourself? <BR><BR>
<DD>Before each dive we have been checking every facet of =
our gear=20
and ensuring that it is operational because we subscribe =
to the=20
belief that what each of us is carrying belongs to the =
entire=20
team. After our team checks, everything on my person was=20
operational and behaving as it should, including my SPG, =
the=20
needle never bounced when I took not 3 but 6 breaths from =
my back=20
up reg on the surface, the extra 3 breaths were done to =
satisfy my=20
buddy because he didn't witness me do it the first time. =
You have=20
no idea what happened to me, not the foggiest...do you =
know how I=20
know this? Because we didn't tell anyone on the boat what =
happened=20
to me except that we shared air--we were intentionally =
unclear=20
because no one on the boat cared for one another as =
evidenced by=20
the completely unprofessional cluster f*@% that later =
occurred and=20
the misinformation regarding me that you received from =
your=20
"drooling informants." <BR><BR>
<DD>I have put my heart and soul into this sport because I =
respect=20
the fact that the ocean is not my natural environment and =
that=20
mother nature can be a real bitch. There was no panic on =
our=20
parts, a detail that you must have just made up. Panic =
will get=20
one killed. Remedying *my* situation went smoothly because =
we took=20
the philosophy and the procedures that AG and MHK taught =
and used=20
them and that includes the countless hours me and my =
buddies have=20
spent in the quarry practicing and preparing for "real =
dives" and=20
any situations that arise on those dives. My brief moment =
of not=20
being able to access my gas did not even upset me because =
I knew=20
my buddy, Todd, would be there for me once I alerted him, =
and he=20
was in my face instantly watching me make a reg switch and =
when he=20
saw I wasn't satisfied with that solution he had gas in my =
mouth=20
in seconds and it was executed calmly. There is something =
to be=20
said about having a procedure in place to handle would be=20
emergencies. And I was also aware of the fact that it was =
an=20
impossibility for me to actually be out of gas. I can't =
stress how=20
crucial superb buddy skills are to the diving system. One=20
interesting aspect of the DIR system is that whether my =
equipment=20
failed me or I failed myself there was still another safe =
way=20
out.<BR><BR>
<DD>And, JT, I write this knowing full well that you will =
put this=20
in your Allyson Clagett email file so that you can throw =
it back=20
in my face when it's convenient for you to do so and most =
probably=20
attempt to poke a hole through every thing I or my buddies =
say.=20
What kind of person does that? Better yet, what kind of =
*friend*=20
does that? If you actually have some constructive =
criticism I will=20
welcome it with open arms but at this point I am not =
hopeful that=20
is what your intentions are. I will save you the trouble =
of=20
publicly publishing this by doing so myself. If you ever =
want to=20
have a real conversation with me, like a mature adult =
would do,=20
and not the nonsensical Internet bully email crap that has =
become=20
your style you have my phone number. I'll happily speak =
with=20
you--but I'll never dive with you again your general =
attitude=20
sucks and GI is right, yet again, you are obstinate... but =
I=20
believe his exact words were hard headed and incapable of=20
learning.<BR><BR>
<DD>Happy Internet diving, JT, I know you enjoy =
it.<BR><BR><FONT=20
color=3D#000080>
<DD><BR><BR></FONT><FONT face=3Darial
size=3D2> =20
<DD>-----Original Message-----</FONT>=20
<DD>From: Capt JT [<A =
href=3D"mailto:captjt@mi*.co*"=20
=
eudora=3D"autourl">mailto:captjt@mi*.co*</A>]<BR><BR>
<DD>Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 4:22 PM<BR><BR>
<DD>To: dmdalton<BR><BR>
<DD>Cc: allysonlc@ea*.ne*; =
toddclagett@ea*.ne*<BR><BR>
<DD>Subject: Re: Nova Tech Dive Report 7/21/02 & =
Lessons=20
Learned<BR><BR><FONT color=3D#000080>
<DD><BR><BR></FONT><FONT face=3Darial
size=3D2> =20
<DD>Dave, I have read your report and I have been informed =
by=20
others on the</FONT>=20
<DD>boat what really went down. I am answering this =
private and=20
will at this<BR><BR>
<DD>point keep it that way until you are not able to cover =
the=20
flack I<BR><BR>
<DD>suspect will come from the report on techdiver. =
Several=20
important details<BR><BR>
<DD>you left out to cover ones egos, shut off valves(not 1 =
but 2)=20
, panic,<BR><BR>
<DD>drifting away when no one else had a problem with the=20
current,<BR><BR>
<DD>ect.......... and are suggesting that the BOAT should =
have=20
done something<BR><BR>
<DD>different, when all problems were caused by the divers =
themselves. Cover<BR><BR>
<DD>your own egos best you can if any questions start and =
cover=20
the boat or I<BR><BR>
<DD>will........I know what really happened, this is one =
you=20
should not have<BR><BR>
<DD>posted, you guys are too "thin skinned" to handle a =
seasoned=20
diver drilling<BR><BR>
<DD>this report.<BR><BR><FONT color=3D#000080>
<DD><BR><BR> =20
<DD><BR><BR> =20
<DD><BR><BR></FONT><FONT face=3Darial
size=3D2> =20
<DD>At 10:37 AM 7/23/02 -0700, you wrote:</FONT>=20
<DD>>Trip report:<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>Sunday, July 21, 2002 found 4 Nova Tech divers=20
diving<BR><BR>
<DD>>out of Virginia Beach, VA on the Miss Lindsey =
with<BR><BR>
<DD>>others with whom they regularly dive of the VB=20
Tech<BR><BR>
<DD>>group. Nova Tech group divers consisted of =
Todd<BR><BR>
<DD>>Clagett and Allyson Clagett diving as a buddy team =
1<BR><BR>
<DD>>and David Dalton, Sr. & David Dalton, Jr. =
diving=20
as<BR><BR>
<DD>>buddy team 2. Team 1 is generally more interested=20
in<BR><BR>
<DD>>artifact recovery and Team 2 leans more =
toward<BR><BR>
<DD>>sightseeing.<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>We arrived at the site of the Eureka (118 fsw) =
at<BR><BR>
<DD>>approximately 10:30, geared up and were in the=20
water<BR><BR>
<DD>>at 11:30. Visibility was a spectacular 70 ft =
and<BR><BR>
<DD>>water temps on the bottom were a pleasant 61=20
degrees,<BR><BR>
<DD>>with surface temp being much warmer. There was =
a<BR><BR>
<DD>>strong current and it was very nice to be =
using<BR><BR>
<DD>>scooters to deal with it. More on that =
later!<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>Team 1 went right to digging in a hole that =
wasn't<BR><BR>
<DD>>more than 15 feet from where the wreck was tied=20
in.<BR><BR>
<DD>>They left the numerous bottles they unearthed for=20
the<BR><BR>
<DD>>second dive bringing up just one. Team 2 toured=20
the<BR><BR>
<DD>>wreck with D1 (Sr) pulling D2 (Jr) with his =
Gavin<BR><BR>
<DD>>scooter. D2 carried a camera and shot two rolls=20
which<BR><BR>
<DD>>are in the process of being developed as I write.=20
The<BR><BR>
<DD>>clarity of the water allowed one to get a very=20
good<BR><BR>
<DD>>understanding of the layout of the wreck. Viewing=20
the<BR><BR>
<DD>>two large anchors on the port side of the bow, at=20
the<BR><BR>
<DD>>same time was incredible. Both Teams completed=20
their<BR><BR>
<DD>>planned 40 minute bottom times and required deco=20
and<BR><BR>
<DD>>got back on board.<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>Todd advised that he had just broken into a new=20
crate<BR><BR>
<DD>>of bottles and showed one he had stuffed in =
his<BR><BR>
<DD>>pocket, a square bottle of Dr. Prichard's =
Castoria<BR><BR>
<DD>>with the good doctor's name and the product name=20
cast<BR><BR>
<DD>>into the bottle. Although these bottles were from=20
the<BR><BR>
<DD>>1890's when this ship sunk, D1 is old enough (54)=20
to<BR><BR>
<DD>>remember taking this patent medicine as a child.=20
It<BR><BR>
<DD>>was still sold in a square bottle and appeared=20
that<BR><BR>
<DD>>the only change was from a cork to a screw =
top.<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>Todd's discovery generated considerable =
excitement<BR><BR>
<DD>>between both teams and both decided to concentrate =
on<BR><BR>
<DD>>excavating that hole on the second dive.<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>Both teams brought bags down to carry back bottles =
on<BR><BR>
<DD>>the second dive. Todd, being the master digger =
with=20
a<BR><BR>
<DD>>scooter, went to work while the other 3 stuffed=20
the<BR><BR>
<DD>>bags as he handed out bottles.<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>About 20 minutes into the dive Allyson developed =
a<BR><BR>
<DD>>problem with one of her regs and after the=20
situation<BR><BR>
<DD>>was handled both teams decided to end the dive.=20
Team<BR><BR>
<DD>>1 started their ascent and deco and Team 2 hooked=20
up<BR><BR>
<DD>>the two bags of bottles and started their =
ascent.<BR><BR>
<DD>>Rather than hang on the line like a flag in the=20
breeze<BR><BR>
<DD>>we were doing "drift and run deco". Drift 50 or =
60<BR><BR>
<DD>>feet from the anchor line and then run back to it=20
with<BR><BR>
<DD>>the scooter, then drift again and repeat,=20
obviously<BR><BR>
<DD>>only a technique one would employ in good =
viz.<BR><BR>
<DD>>Between 40 & 50 feet the current picked up =
quite a=20
bit<BR><BR>
<DD>>and we (Team 2) inadvertently drifted out of sight =
of<BR><BR>
<DD>>the anchor line. We ran some circular patterns on=20
the<BR><BR>
<DD>>scooter but to no avail. We settled in, shot a=20
bag,<BR><BR>
<DD>>completed our deco drift style, and upon=20
completion<BR><BR>
<DD>>surfaced to find the boat several hundred yards=20
away.<BR><BR>
<DD>>We dropped down to 15 feet and scootered toward=20
the<BR><BR>
<DD>>boat for about 2 minutes. We surfaced again and=20
saw<BR><BR>
<DD>>that we were making progress so we dropped down=20
and<BR><BR>
<DD>>tried it again. This time I could hear the motor=20
on<BR><BR>
<DD>>the scooter slowing and realized we were out of=20
juice.<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>We returned to the surface, and found we were =
even<BR><BR>
<DD>>farther away than before. We fully inflated the=20
lift<BR><BR>
<DD>>bag, hooked up the dive-alerts an honked them =
and<BR><BR>
<DD>>flashed the HID light in the direction of the=20
boat.<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>Todd later advised that he saw us as soon as =
we<BR><BR>
<DD>>surfaced but we were not aware of this.=20
Consequently<BR><BR>
<DD>>we continued to signal and honk. Interestingly no=20
one<BR><BR>
<DD>>heard the dive alert (other than us!) and the =
HID<BR><BR>
<DD>>light (a 10 Watt EE Pro 6) was more visible than=20
the<BR><BR>
<DD>>yellow lift bag. (Note to self: Never dive in =
the<BR><BR>
<DD>>ocean without the HID!)<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>As we were the last divers in the water the =
boat<BR><BR>
<DD>>didn't have to wait TOOOOOOOOO long before coming=20
to<BR><BR>
<DD>>get us. The mate went in to pull the hook, =
they<BR><BR>
<DD>>pulled up the hangbars and gear lines and =
got<BR><BR>
<DD>>underway. All of this took about 30 minutes =
which<BR><BR>
<DD>>doesn't seem like too long, but when you don't =
know=20
if<BR><BR>
<DD>>anyone knows where you are and you re drifting=20
farther<BR><BR>
<DD>>and farther from the boat, I can assure you it=20
seems<BR><BR>
<DD>>like much longer!<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>Lessons learned:<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>1) Switch batteries on the scooter between dives.=20
If<BR><BR>
<DD>>we had fresh batteries in the scooter we could=20
have<BR><BR>
<DD>>made it back to the boat even following our =
drift<BR><BR>
<DD>>deco.<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>2) Make sure you have appropriate signaling=20
devices.<BR><BR>
<DD>>Lift bag, safety sausage, HID light, dive-alert.=20
On<BR><BR>
<DD>>the last, while the dive-alert has it's place,=20
which<BR><BR>
<DD>>is probably in situations where fog blows in and=20
you<BR><BR>
<DD>>are relatively close to the boat, its not much =
good=20
at<BR><BR>
<DD>>longer distances as I have now learned.<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>Along this same line it would be comforting for=20
the<BR><BR>
<DD>>team in the water if the boat had someway of=20
signaling<BR><BR>
<DD>>back that they knew where you were and would come=20
get<BR><BR>
<DD>>you shortly (Horn, flare, guy in a lime green=20
drysuit<BR><BR>
<DD>>waving his arms on the top of the boat)!<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>3) This situation pointed out the need for chase=20
boats<BR><BR>
<DD>>when diving in strong currents, or for the boat to =
be<BR><BR>
<DD>>able to put a float on the anchor line, so they=20
can<BR><BR>
<DD>>leave to pick up/attend to the divers on a lift=20
bag.<BR><BR>
<DD>>While the Miss Lindsey has a chase boat it was =
not<BR><BR>
<DD>>used in this case. In this case we were able =
to<BR><BR>
<DD>>complete our deco, surface and wait to be picked=20
up.<BR><BR>
<DD>>If a diver was injured or did not have appropriate =
gas<BR><BR>
<DD>>to complete his deco (like hanging it off the =
boat<BR><BR>
<DD>>instead of carrying it with you) the outcome might =
not<BR><BR>
<DD>>have been as favorable.<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>4) Stay calm. While we were concerned as to=20
whether<BR><BR>
<DD>>or not anyone knew where we were, we remained =
calm<BR><BR>
<DD>>which helped to contribute to the favorable =
outcome=20
of<BR><BR>
<DD>>this dive. There was no reason to panic, the =
water<BR><BR>
<DD>>was warm, we were in trilam drysuits with=20
thinsulate<BR><BR>
<DD>>undergarments, we had a 10 watt hid that would=20
burn<BR><BR>
<DD>>for 5 + hours which would be especially good =
for<BR><BR>
<DD>>signaling in the dusk or at night and we had 4 =
back=20
up<BR><BR>
<DD>>lights between us. We had just eaten several =
Miss<BR><BR>
<DD>>Lindsey "Deco Dogs" before the second dive so =
our<BR><BR>
<DD>>nutritional requirements were taken care of =
(those<BR><BR>
<DD>>things will stay with you forever!). We were =
well<BR><BR>
<DD>>hydrated and I had a P-valve in my drysuit - too=20
bad<BR><BR>
<DD>>my son did not (You've never seen anyone get out =
of=20
a<BR><BR>
<DD>>drysuit and run for the head so fast)!!!!<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>5) If you are doing a "drift and run" deco, make=20
sure<BR><BR>
<DD>>you don't lose sight of the anchor line.<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>All in all, it was an incredible day of diving,=20
great<BR><BR>
<DD>>weather, great viz, great bottles (yes we still=20
had<BR><BR>
<DD>>both bags when we got back on the boat), and a=20
very<BR><BR>
<DD>>worthwhile learning experience. What more could=20
you<BR><BR>
<DD>>ask for?<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>Dave Dalton<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<BR><BR>
<DD>>Dave Dalton<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>"You just can't show up for "Game Day" and expect =
to=20
win.<BR><BR>
<DD>> You've got to go to practice if you want to be=20
ready!"<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
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