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Richard, Duke collects the data on our divers - they carry a Suunto for
downloading. We ( WKPP) also have about 15,000 man dive hours of extreme
decompression dives with the deco and in many cases the doppler and the
blood tests. Where have you guys been? We know what works , we have no
choice.
-----Original Message-----
From: Vann, Richard [mailto:rvann@da*.du*.ed*]
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 12:14 PM
To: 'Bruce R. Wienke'; toverland@oi*.oc*.co*; tneuman@uc*.ed*;
ryn@dc*.dn*.ca*; Paul J. Sheffield Ph. D. (E-mail); Bennett, Peter; Orr,
Dan; v.flook@ab*.ac*.uk*; beyerstein@ao*.co*; Vann, Richard;
jlivingstone@na*.or*; jbram@na*.or*; p.oliver@na*.or*;
andihq@ao*.co*; oxygenengr@ao*.co*; PSAuerbach@ao*.co*;
rwhamilton@co*.co*; evincotter@cs*.co*; cborne@ea*.ne*;
walt.jaap@fw*.st*.fl*.us*; bturbo@ga*.ne*; dick@hy*.co*;
mwells@in*.ne*; Denoble, Petar; alexakos@gu*.co*; trey@ne*.co*;
iantdhq@ix*.ne*.co*; Moon, Richard; emmerman@nb*.co*;
dave.dinsmore@no*.go*; boliver@sc*.co*; brianc@td*.co*;
gegstrom@uc*.ed*; kvanhoesen@uc*.ed*; brylske@ao*.co*
Cc: deco@de*.or*; techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: RE: How About A Dan-Tech Deep Stops Workshop/Mtg
Bruce,
The idea of a workshop on deep stops is quite interesting. There certainly
does seem to be anecdotal evidence suggesting that deep stops might improve
diving safety. This is particularly true for He/O2 diving but also possibly
true for recreational diving. The physiological rationale exists to support
a number of mechanisms to this effect. We have submitted a proposal for a
human study of one potential mechanism.
Decompression modeling would play a major role in a deep-stop workshop. I
would imagine that one or more sessions would be devoted exclusively to
modeling. That�s good as there are various models that could use public
airing.
Both modeling and basic decompression mechanisms are important, but
progress will be frustratingly slow without emphasis on the epidemiology of
open water diving. As you know, this is a reason for DAN�s Project Dive
Exploration (PDE). We have collected some 45,000 computer-recorded dive
profiles and medical outcomes from 5,000 divers of who about 26 were
recompressed. Unfortunately, tech dives are not well represented in PDE
data. I hope you might encourage tech divers to begin data collection. In
fact, the best encouragement you could give would be to collect data
yourself. While PDE may not be the only database of dive profiles and dive
outcomes in the world, we have made an effort to standardize it and make it
accessible. This is necessary when you need hundreds of thousands of dives
for useful answers. The collection process has become simpler, and both
Cochran and Dive Rite computers can now collect PDE data using their own
dive log software. Please contact Petar for more information on these and
other options.
I guess I�ve also got to say that some folks at DAN and elsewhere are a
bit gun-shy from recent and past unpleasantness on the net. I have heard
concern that this could take the fun out of a workshop and limit its
success. I would guess that raising financial support wouldn�t be helped,
either. I�m not sure what can be done, but it makes the job of the workshop
organizers somewhat more difficult.
I think planning for a deep stop workshop should go forward. First, you
should identify an organizer or not more than a very small group of
organizers. They could put together a tentative program and circulate it to
potential speakers (and others) for comment. Major topics might include
mechanisms, modeling, and empirical data. It would be useful to have
specific workshop objectives in mind and to structure the program so the
objectives might be met. The workshop cost will be significantly affected by
where and when it is held. Ideally, it would be fairly central to speakers
and interested attendees, but this might not be possible given the
international nature of the subject. You might consider doing it in
association with a national or international meeting, such as UHMS or EUBS,
if you could convince one of these groups that there is sufficient material
and adequate organization to make it worthwhile. That would reduce travel
costs. Typical workshop costs are $20-30,000, but it might be done for less
with some compromises. Charging attendees $100-200 per head would help to
offset costs. I guess fund raising will be the greatest challenge, but I
think it�s worth the effort. Go for it.
Dick
-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce R. Wienke [mailto:brw@la*.go*]
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 5:14 PM
To: toverland@oi*.oc*.co*; tneuman@uc*.ed*; ryn@dc*.dn*.ca*;
Paul J. Sheffield Ph. D. (E-mail); Bennett, Peter; Orr, Dan;
v.flook@ab*.ac*.uk*; beyerstein@ao*.co*; rvann@da*.du*.ed*;
jlivingstone@na*.or*; jbram@na*.or*; p.oliver@na*.or*;
andihq@ao*.co*; oxygenengr@ao*.co*; PSAuerbach@ao*.co*;
rwhamilton@co*.co*; evincotter@cs*.co*; cborne@ea*.ne*;
walt.jaap@fw*.st*.fl*.us*; bturbo@ga*.ne*; dick@hy*.co*;
mwells@in*.ne*; pdenoble@da*.du*.ed*; alexakos@gu*.co*; trey@ne*.co*;
iantdhq@ix*.ne*.co*; moon0002@mc*.du*.ed*; emmerman@nb*.co*;
dave.dinsmore@no*.go*; boliver@sc*.co*; brianc@td*.co*;
gegstrom@uc*.ed*; kvanhoesen@uc*.ed*; brylske@ao*.co*
Cc: deco@de*.or*; techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: How About A Dan-Tech Deep Stops Workshop/Mtg
Peter And Richard,
How about a DAN-Tech Mtg on deep stops -- A to Z? Everybody
pays their OWN way. This might also be a dynamite way to get more
tech diving profiles into your Project Diving Exploration data banks
to broaden the recreational sample. All would benefit -- probably DAN the
most, with all due respect.
I can do (volunteer) the tech side and interface, and all the other
coordination with DAN. And I am sure many others would step up too.
And yes, we already have a tech side agenda.
What do you say?
Bruce Wienke
Program Manager Computational Physics
Counterterror And Countermeasures Dive Team Ldr
PS -- UHMS Guys, maybe this is BETTER UHMS item?
EARLIER MESSAGE TO PETER BENNETT WITH LIST EMAILS APPENDED
Gentlemen,
We don't agree with you, Peter Read below.
Best regards as always,
BW
DEEP STOPS -- THE REAL STORY IN ADM
Lists and Others,
Check out the "Deep Stops" article in the next issue of Advanced Diver
Magazine (ADM) for the real skinny on deeps stops and related deco
technology.
It was the tech diving community who pioneered, tested, and validated
deep stops and related dual phase deco models (like RGBM, VPM, TBDM).
Their 1000s of real dives on mixed gases at real depths are the
living laboratory here. Not Haldane, nor Hill. And certainly not DAN.
And our testing program was not recreational diving for goats in
shallow water -- it was our collective asses, deep and long
With fondest respect for DAN, I wish DAN would spend more time
interacting with the tech community. All would benefit. The DAN
Project Dive Exploration is a great data acquisition project that
needs input from the real diving world.
Same pretty much said for slow ascent rates.
Bruce Wienke
Program Manager Computational Physics
Counterterror And Countermeasures Dive Team Leader
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D489573200-26072002><FONT face=3DArial
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size=3D2>Richard, Duke collects the data on our divers - they carry a =
Suunto for=20
downloading. We ( WKPP) also have about 15,000 man dive hours of extreme =
decompression dives with the deco and in many cases the doppler and the =
blood=20
tests. Where have you guys been? We know what works , we have no=20
choice.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
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size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Vann, Richard=20
[mailto:rvann@da*.du*.ed*]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 25, 2002 =
12:14=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Bruce R. Wienke'; toverland@oi*.oc*.co*;=20
tneuman@uc*.ed*; ryn@dc*.dn*.ca*; Paul J. Sheffield Ph. D. (E-mail); =
Bennett, Peter; Orr, Dan; v.flook@ab*.ac*.uk*; beyerstein@ao*.co*; =
Vann,=20
Richard; jlivingstone@na*.or*; jbram@na*.or*; =
p.oliver@na*.or*;=20
andihq@ao*.co*; oxygenengr@ao*.co*; PSAuerbach@ao*.co*;=20
rwhamilton@co*.co*; evincotter@cs*.co*; cborne@ea*.ne*;=20
walt.jaap@fw*.st*.fl*.us*; bturbo@ga*.ne*; dick@hy*.co*;=20
mwells@in*.ne*; Denoble, Petar; alexakos@gu*.co*; trey@ne*.co*;=20
iantdhq@ix*.ne*.co*; Moon, Richard; emmerman@nb*.co*; =
dave.dinsmore@no*.go*;=20
boliver@sc*.co*; brianc@td*.co*; gegstrom@uc*.ed*; =
kvanhoesen@uc*.ed*;=20
brylske@ao*.co*<BR><B>Cc:</B> deco@de*.or*;=20
techdiver@aquanaut.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: How About A Dan-Tech =
Deep Stops=20
Workshop/Mtg<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DEmailStyle16><FONT face=3DArial =
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12.0pt">Bruce,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DEmailStyle16><FONT face=3DArial =
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size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: =
12.0pt">The=20
idea of a workshop on deep stops is quite interesting. There certainly =
does=20
seem to be anecdotal evidence suggesting that deep stops might improve =
diving=20
safety. This is particularly true for He/O2 diving but also possibly =
true for=20
recreational diving. The physiological rationale exists to support a =
number of=20
mechanisms to this effect. We have submitted a proposal for a human =
study of=20
one potential mechanism.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DEmailStyle16><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3Dnavy=20
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color=3Dnavy=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: =
12.0pt">Decompression=20
modeling would play a major role in a deep-stop workshop. I would =
imagine that=20
one or more sessions would be devoted exclusively to modeling. =
That’s good as=20
there are various models that could use public=20
airing.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DEmailStyle16><FONT face=3DArial =
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DEmailStyle16><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3Dnavy=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: =
12.0pt">Both=20
modeling and basic decompression mechanisms are important, but =
progress will=20
be frustratingly slow without emphasis on the epidemiology of open =
water=20
diving. As you know, this is a reason for DAN’s Project Dive =
Exploration=20
(PDE). We have collected some 45,000 computer-recorded dive profiles =
and=20
medical outcomes from 5,000 divers of who about 26 were recompressed.=20
Unfortunately, tech dives are not well represented in PDE data. I hope =
you=20
might encourage tech divers to begin data collection. In fact, the =
best=20
encouragement you could give would be to collect data yourself. While =
PDE may=20
not be the only database of dive profiles and dive outcomes in the =
world, we=20
have made an effort to standardize it and make it accessible. This is=20
necessary when you need hundreds of thousands of dives for useful =
answers. The=20
collection process has become simpler, and both Cochran and Dive Rite=20
computers can now collect PDE data using their own dive log software. =
Please=20
contact Petar for more information on these and other options.=20
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DEmailStyle16><FONT face=3DArial =
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12.0pt">I=20
guess I’ve also got to say that some folks at DAN and elsewhere =
are a bit=20
gun-shy from recent and past unpleasantness on the net. I have heard =
concern=20
that this could take the fun out of a workshop and limit its success. =
I would=20
guess that raising financial support wouldn’t be helped, either. =
I’m not sure=20
what can be done, but it makes the job of the workshop organizers =
somewhat=20
more difficult.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DEmailStyle16><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3Dnavy=20
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color=3Dnavy=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: =
12.0pt">I=20
think planning for a deep stop workshop should go forward. First, you =
should=20
identify an organizer or not more than a very small group of =
organizers. They=20
could put together a tentative program and circulate it to potential =
speakers=20
(and others) for comment. Major topics might include mechanisms, =
modeling, and=20
empirical data. It would be useful to have specific workshop =
objectives in=20
mind and to structure the program so the objectives might be met. The =
workshop=20
cost will be significantly affected by where and when it is held. =
Ideally, it=20
would be fairly central to speakers and interested attendees, but this =
might=20
not be possible given the international nature of the subject. You =
might=20
consider doing it in association with a national or international =
meeting,=20
such as UHMS or EUBS, if you could convince one of these groups that =
there is=20
sufficient material and adequate organization to make it worthwhile. =
That=20
would reduce travel costs. Typical workshop costs are $20-30,000, but =
it might=20
be done for less with some compromises. Charging attendees $100-200 =
per head=20
would help to offset costs. I guess fund raising will be the greatest=20
challenge, but I think it’s worth the effort. Go for=20
it.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: =
Tahoma">-----Original=20
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT:
bold">From:</SPAN></B> =
Bruce R.=20
Wienke [mailto:brw@la*.go*]<BR><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, July 24, 2002 =
5:14=20
PM<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>=20
toverland@oi*.oc*.co*; tneuman@uc*.ed*; ryn@dc*.dn*.ca*; =
Paul J.=20
Sheffield Ph. D. (E-mail); Bennett, Peter; Orr, Dan; =
v.flook@ab*.ac*.uk*;=20
beyerstein@ao*.co*; rvann@da*.du*.ed*; jlivingstone@na*.or*;=20
jbram@na*.or*; p.oliver@na*.or*; andihq@ao*.co*; =
oxygenengr@ao*.co*;=20
PSAuerbach@ao*.co*; rwhamilton@co*.co*; evincotter@cs*.co*;=20
cborne@ea*.ne*; walt.jaap@fw*.st*.fl*.us*; bturbo@ga*.ne*;=20
dick@hy*.co*; mwells@in*.ne*; pdenoble@da*.du*.ed*;=20
alexakos@gu*.co*; trey@ne*.co*; iantdhq@ix*.ne*.co*;=20
moon0002@mc*.du*.ed*; emmerman@nb*.co*; dave.dinsmore@no*.go*;=20
boliver@sc*.co*; brianc@td*.co*; gegstrom@uc*.ed*; =
kvanhoesen@uc*.ed*;=20
brylske@ao*.co*<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT:
bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> =
deco@de*.or*; techdiver@aquanaut.com<BR><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> How About A Dan-Tech =
Deep Stops=20
Workshop/Mtg</SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Peter And =
Richard,=20
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windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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color=3Dblack=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">How about a =
DAN-Tech Mtg on=20
deep stops -- A to Z? Everybody </SPAN></FONT><FONT =
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
color=3Dblack=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">pays their OWN =
way. This=20
might also be a dynamite way to get more </SPAN></FONT><FONT =
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
color=3Dblack=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">tech diving =
profiles into=20
your Project Diving Exploration data banks </SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
color=3Dblack size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: =
black"><![if
!supportEmptyParas]><![endif]> </SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
color=3Dblack=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">to broaden the =
recreational=20
sample. All would benefit -- probably DAN the </SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
color=3Dblack=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">most, with all =
due respect.=20
</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
color=3Dblack size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: =
black"><![if
!supportEmptyParas]><![endif]> </SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
color=3Dblack=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">I can do =
(volunteer) the=20
tech side and interface, and all the other </SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
color=3Dblack=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">coordination =
with DAN. And=20
I am sure many others would step up too. </SPAN></FONT><FONT =
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
color=3Dblack size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: =
black"><![if
!supportEmptyParas]><![endif]> </SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
color=3Dblack=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">And yes, we =
already have a=20
tech side agenda. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
color=3Dblack size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: =
black"><![if
!supportEmptyParas]><![endif]> </SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
color=3Dblack=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">What do you =
say?=20
</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
color=3Dblack=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Bruce Wienke=20
</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
color=3Dblack=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Program Manager =
Computational Physics </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
color=3Dblack=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Counterterror =
And=20
Countermeasures Dive Team Ldr </SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
color=3Dblack size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: =
black"><![if
!supportEmptyParas]><![endif]> </SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
color=3Dblack=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">PS -- UHMS =
Guys, maybe this=20
is BETTER UHMS item? </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
color=3Dblack size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: =
black"><![if
!supportEmptyParas]><![endif]> </SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; =
mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3Dblack size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"><BR=20
style=3D"mso-special-character: line-break"><![if =
!supportLineBreakNewLine]><BR=20
style=3D"mso-special-character: =
line-break"><![endif]></SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
color=3Dblack=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">EARLIER MESSAGE =
TO PETER=20
BENNETT WITH LIST EMAILS APPENDED </SPAN></FONT><FONT =
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
color=3Dblack size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: =
black"><![if
!supportEmptyParas]><![endif]> </SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
color=3Dblack=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Gentlemen,=20
</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
color=3Dblack size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: =
black"><![if
!supportEmptyParas]><![endif]> </SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
color=3Dblack=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">We don't agree =
with you,=20
Peter Read below. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
color=3Dblack size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: =
black"><![if
!supportEmptyParas]><![endif]> </SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
color=3Dblack=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Best regards as =
always,=20
</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
color=3Dblack size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: =
black"><![if
!supportEmptyParas]><![endif]> </SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
color=3Dblack=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">BW =
</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
color=3Dblack size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: =
black"><![if
!supportEmptyParas]><![endif]> </SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
color=3Dblack=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">DEEP STOPS -- =
THE REAL=20
STORY IN ADM </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
color=3Dblack size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: =
black"><![if
!supportEmptyParas]><![endif]> </SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
color=3Dblack=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Lists and =
Others,=20
</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
color=3Dblack size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: =
black"><![if
!supportEmptyParas]><![endif]> </SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
color=3Dblack=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Check out the =
"Deep Stops"=20
article in the next issue of Advanced Diver </SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
color=3Dblack=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Magazine (ADM) =
for the real=20
skinny on deeps stops and related deco </SPAN></FONT><FONT =
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
color=3Dblack=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">technology.=20
</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
color=3Dblack size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: =
black"><![if
!supportEmptyParas]><![endif]> </SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
color=3Dblack=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">It was the tech =
diving=20
community who pioneered, tested, and validated </SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
color=3Dblack=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">deep stops and =
related dual=20
phase deco models (like RGBM, VPM, TBDM). </SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
color=3Dblack=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Their 1000s of =
real dives=20
on mixed gases at real depths are the </SPAN></FONT><FONT =
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
color=3Dblack=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">living =
laboratory here. Not=20
Haldane, nor Hill. And certainly not DAN. </SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
color=3Dblack=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">And our testing =
program was=20
not recreational diving for goats in </SPAN></FONT><FONT =
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
color=3Dblack=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">shallow water =
-- it was our=20
collective asses, deep and long </SPAN></FONT><FONT =
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
color=3Dblack size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: =
black"><![if
!supportEmptyParas]><![endif]> </SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
color=3Dblack=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">With fondest =
respect for=20
DAN, I wish DAN would spend more time </SPAN></FONT><FONT =
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
color=3Dblack=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">interacting =
with the tech=20
community. All would benefit. The DAN </SPAN></FONT><FONT =
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
color=3Dblack=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Project Dive =
Exploration is=20
a great data acquisition project that </SPAN></FONT><FONT =
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
color=3Dblack=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">needs input =
from the real=20
diving world. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
color=3Dblack=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Same pretty =
much said for=20
slow ascent rates. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
color=3Dblack size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: =
black"><![if
!supportEmptyParas]><![endif]> </SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
color=3Dblack=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Bruce Wienke=20
</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
color=3Dblack=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Program Manager =
Computational Physics </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
color=3Dblack=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Counterterror =
And=20
Countermeasures Dive Team Leader </SPAN></FONT><FONT =
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<P><FONT face=3DArial =
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message has been scanned for viruses.<BR>Visit DAN today at=20
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