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Who gives a fuck how deep you dive! It's not about depth, it's about FUN =
and SAFETY! SAFETY! Get it SAFETY one more time so your dumbass will get =
it SAFETY. After all I'm hearing I don't know if I really want to dive =
with you. I think I will listen to George, you're a fuck up.
Brian Hunter
DIR Always
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Capt JT=20
To: VBTech list=20
Cc: 'Allyson' ; trey@my*.ne*=20
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 10:02 PM
Subject: Re: Nova Tech Dive Report 7/21/02 & Lessons Learned
I see you are trying to narrow down the playing field, dropped all =
list but VBtech and of course George, your ego is to thin, your leading =
a group of quarry divers, you have only 7 ocean dives this year 2 were =
on Sunday and 3 the weekend before, 2 in April....... nothing past 130ft =
, your a weenie diver......
At 09:51 PM 7/24/02 -0400, Capt JT wrote:
Your so fucked up, I've been waiting for this, you have the wrong =
Bob. I saw that right away in your emails and was laughing my ass off, =
you don't know who's who or what to do.=20
At 08:16 PM 7/24/02 -0400, Todd Clagett wrote:
This is pretty funny. Your ego got damaged because I told you =
Stella and Bob were not ready to do the Barque (250'). You then started =
to pull out everything that we had ever done wrong. I admit, I have =
done plenty wrong in the water. It was mostly when I was listening to =
the VB tech crowd. The fact is you are mad becasue people see the =
stupid things you do as just that, STUPID. =20
=20
I guess you are the one who let Bob go to the bottom on the Ethel =
C. with a stage bottle of O2 turned completely on because he didn't have =
the correct regulator? Or was that somebody else. I thought you would =
take my advice when I said these folks weren't ready, but you took it =
personal for some reason. I make mistakes and so do all others I know. =
You better be ready to react to the mistakes when they happen. =20
=20
You always say your good judgement saved Becky when she ox-toxed =
on the Doria (because you paired her with Rick). How many dives in =
doubles did she have? I recall seeing her on the boat about 3 weeks =
before in doubles for the first time. I would say your good judgement =
almos killed a very nice girl! You don't get it now and you never will. =
=20
=20
Allyson did not have her isolator closed. It wouldn't matter if =
she did though, we would have handled that too! I doubt you would have =
been close enough to help had you been her buddy. It would have been =
another "heart attack". =20
=20
The only thing I said on the boat was that we were in a gas =
sharing situation and then the daltons went back for some of my gear. =
Jeff said "why the fuck were you gas sharing for a reg failure?" I =
replied......She wants fucking gas, she gets gas. End of story. Why =
does this have to be a conspiracy? You are paranoid man, chill out. I =
have nothing to gain by lying, mainly because it doesn't matter. Diving =
doesn't define me, validate me, or justify me like it does you. I think =
you better learn how to dive a little better since it validates your =
life so much. =20
=20
Tell me about boat captains and when they can dive and sleep. I =
am really interested to hear this one. =20
=20
Todd
-----Original Message-----=20
From: VBTech list [mailto:VBTech@ci*.co*]On Behalf Of =
Capt JT=20
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 7:37 PM=20
To: VBTech list=20
Cc: Allyson; trey@my*.ne*; andrewg@fi*.co*; =
techdiver@aquanaut.com=20
Subject: Re: Nova Tech Dive Report 7/21/02 & Lessons Learned
Funny thing about egos, you push them enough and they will =
come out.........the fact is Todd came up and told what happen(most =
divers do at first and then change the story to save their egos), you =
and I assume Todd were doing this new DIR drill you think you've learned =
and some how you left the boat with your isolator and your back up reg =
closed only breathing off your primary. At about 20mins (which is right =
for your size tanks and SAC) you ran out of gas, switched to your back =
up and got shit........ In the panic once you got on Todd's gas started =
back to the anchor, this is where I'm waiting for someone to put the =
real story together from the posted story it ain't hard to do, all they =
have to do is read and put the pieces together.
The fact is I saw the email that Todd challenged Dave to go =
public on these list about who you did not want to go on some =
trips......... I wanted it to happen, Dave did not as not to put names =
on the list.........I could give a fuck........ So when Todd started his =
little private cc posting I smashed all your dicks (even though you =
don't have one) with the truth about your skills and past history, we =
have been protecting you guys all the time and I knew it would be just a =
matter of time before you fucked up and Dave nor I was there to correct =
it. Funny, the divers you were worried about did fine.........you guys =
have the problem.
Here is another noticeable thing..........you now include the =
VBtech list, Dalton didn't because he knew that some on the boat are =
only on that list.=20
At 06:30 PM 7/24/02 -0400, Allyson wrote:
I am absolutely in awe over how obtuse you are. Who the hell =
do you think you are talking to? This is me, JT. Dalton didn't write =
about some of the details you mention because they didn't happen to him, =
not because he is trying to protect our "frail egos" or "cover =
[anything] up," please! I do not give a flying f*@% about anyone's ego. =
Todd and I will be glad to talk about those details that you say were =
suspiciously left out, and we plan on it. We'll talk about *everything.* =
Do you think I actually jumped off the boat into 118fsw with =
no valves on? If you think that was ever a possibility from me you =
should have never invited me on the trips that you have lead. You must =
not think much of me at all to even think that a possibility and I must =
be some sort of super diver with a SAC rate of almost zero to be able to =
stay on the bottom for 17 minutes with two off valves and then to =
continue on my own accord through my slow ascent/decompression; that =
would make me some sort of physiological oddity. Why didn't you just ask =
me what happened before you came to the table with your plate full of =
usual tired misinformed rhetoric? I see that you are chomping at the bit =
to confront us and that is amusing. I suggest you get off your "high =
horse" before you get knocked off. Your attitude is sickening. Is this =
what you do to validate yourself?=20
Before each dive we have been checking every facet of our =
gear and ensuring that it is operational because we subscribe to the =
belief that what each of us is carrying belongs to the entire team. =
After our team checks, everything on my person was operational and =
behaving as it should, including my SPG, the needle never bounced when I =
took not 3 but 6 breaths from my back up reg on the surface, the extra 3 =
breaths were done to satisfy my buddy because he didn't witness me do it =
the first time. You have no idea what happened to me, not the =
foggiest...do you know how I know this? Because we didn't tell anyone on =
the boat what happened to me except that we shared air--we were =
intentionally unclear because no one on the boat cared for one another =
as evidenced by the completely unprofessional cluster f*@% that later =
occurred and the misinformation regarding me that you received from your =
"drooling informants."=20
I have put my heart and soul into this sport because I =
respect the fact that the ocean is not my natural environment and that =
mother nature can be a real bitch. There was no panic on our parts, a =
detail that you must have just made up. Panic will get one killed. =
Remedying *my* situation went smoothly because we took the philosophy =
and the procedures that AG and MHK taught and used them and that =
includes the countless hours me and my buddies have spent in the quarry =
practicing and preparing for "real dives" and any situations that arise =
on those dives. My brief moment of not being able to access my gas did =
not even upset me because I knew my buddy, Todd, would be there for me =
once I alerted him, and he was in my face instantly watching me make a =
reg switch and when he saw I wasn't satisfied with that solution he had =
gas in my mouth in seconds and it was executed calmly. There is =
something to be said about having a procedure in place to handle would =
be emergencies. And I was also aware of the fact that it was an =
impossibility for me to actually be out of gas. I can't stress how =
crucial superb buddy skills are to the diving system. One interesting =
aspect of the DIR system is that whether my equipment failed me or I =
failed myself there was still another safe way out.
And, JT, I write this knowing full well that you will put =
this in your Allyson Clagett email file so that you can throw it back in =
my face when it's convenient for you to do so and most probably attempt =
to poke a hole through every thing I or my buddies say. What kind of =
person does that? Better yet, what kind of *friend* does that? If you =
actually have some constructive criticism I will welcome it with open =
arms but at this point I am not hopeful that is what your intentions =
are. I will save you the trouble of publicly publishing this by doing so =
myself. If you ever want to have a real conversation with me, like a =
mature adult would do, and not the nonsensical Internet bully email crap =
that has become your style you have my phone number. I'll happily speak =
with you--but I'll never dive with you again your general attitude sucks =
and GI is right, yet again, you are obstinate... but I believe his exact =
words were hard headed and incapable of learning.
Happy Internet diving, JT, I know you enjoy it.
-----Original Message-----=20
From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 4:22 PM
To: dmdalton
Cc: allysonlc@ea*.ne*; toddclagett@ea*.ne*
Subject: Re: Nova Tech Dive Report 7/21/02 & Lessons Learned
Dave, I have read your report and I have been informed by =
others on the=20
boat what really went down. I am answering this private and =
will at this
point keep it that way until you are not able to cover the =
flack I
suspect will come from the report on techdiver. Several =
important details
you left out to cover ones egos, shut off valves(not 1 but =
2) , panic,
drifting away when no one else had a problem with the =
current,
ect.......... and are suggesting that the BOAT should have =
done something
different, when all problems were caused by the divers =
themselves. Cover
your own egos best you can if any questions start and cover =
the boat or I
will........I know what really happened, this is one you =
should not have
posted, you guys are too "thin skinned" to handle a seasoned =
diver drilling
this report.
At 10:37 AM 7/23/02 -0700, you wrote:=20
>Trip report:
>
>Sunday, July 21, 2002 found 4 Nova Tech divers diving
>out of Virginia Beach, VA on the Miss Lindsey with
>others with whom they regularly dive of the VB Tech
>group. Nova Tech group divers consisted of Todd
>Clagett and Allyson Clagett diving as a buddy team 1
>and David Dalton, Sr. & David Dalton, Jr. diving as
>buddy team 2. Team 1 is generally more interested in
>artifact recovery and Team 2 leans more toward
>sightseeing.
>
>We arrived at the site of the Eureka (118 fsw) at
>approximately 10:30, geared up and were in the water
>at 11:30. Visibility was a spectacular 70 ft and
>water temps on the bottom were a pleasant 61 degrees,
>with surface temp being much warmer. There was a
>strong current and it was very nice to be using
>scooters to deal with it. More on that later!
>
>Team 1 went right to digging in a hole that wasn't
>more than 15 feet from where the wreck was tied in.
>They left the numerous bottles they unearthed for the
>second dive bringing up just one. Team 2 toured the
>wreck with D1 (Sr) pulling D2 (Jr) with his Gavin
>scooter. D2 carried a camera and shot two rolls which
>are in the process of being developed as I write. The
>clarity of the water allowed one to get a very good
>understanding of the layout of the wreck. Viewing the
>two large anchors on the port side of the bow, at the
>same time was incredible. Both Teams completed their
>planned 40 minute bottom times and required deco and
>got back on board.
>
>Todd advised that he had just broken into a new crate
>of bottles and showed one he had stuffed in his
>pocket, a square bottle of Dr. Prichard's Castoria
>with the good doctor's name and the product name cast
>into the bottle. Although these bottles were from the
>1890's when this ship sunk, D1 is old enough (54) to
>remember taking this patent medicine as a child. It
>was still sold in a square bottle and appeared that
>the only change was from a cork to a screw top.
>
>Todd's discovery generated considerable excitement
>between both teams and both decided to concentrate on
>excavating that hole on the second dive.
>
>Both teams brought bags down to carry back bottles on
>the second dive. Todd, being the master digger with a
>scooter, went to work while the other 3 stuffed the
>bags as he handed out bottles.
>
>About 20 minutes into the dive Allyson developed a
>problem with one of her regs and after the situation
>was handled both teams decided to end the dive. Team
>1 started their ascent and deco and Team 2 hooked up
>the two bags of bottles and started their ascent.
>Rather than hang on the line like a flag in the breeze
>we were doing "drift and run deco". Drift 50 or 60
>feet from the anchor line and then run back to it with
>the scooter, then drift again and repeat, obviously
>only a technique one would employ in good viz.
>Between 40 & 50 feet the current picked up quite a bit
>and we (Team 2) inadvertently drifted out of sight of
>the anchor line. We ran some circular patterns on the
>scooter but to no avail. We settled in, shot a bag,
>completed our deco drift style, and upon completion
>surfaced to find the boat several hundred yards away.
>We dropped down to 15 feet and scootered toward the
>boat for about 2 minutes. We surfaced again and saw
>that we were making progress so we dropped down and
>tried it again. This time I could hear the motor on
>the scooter slowing and realized we were out of juice.
>
>We returned to the surface, and found we were even
>farther away than before. We fully inflated the lift
>bag, hooked up the dive-alerts an honked them and
>flashed the HID light in the direction of the boat.
>
>Todd later advised that he saw us as soon as we
>surfaced but we were not aware of this. Consequently
>we continued to signal and honk. Interestingly no one
>heard the dive alert (other than us!) and the HID
>light (a 10 Watt EE Pro 6) was more visible than the
>yellow lift bag. (Note to self: Never dive in the
>ocean without the HID!)
>
>As we were the last divers in the water the boat
>didn't have to wait TOOOOOOOOO long before coming to
>get us. The mate went in to pull the hook, they
>pulled up the hangbars and gear lines and got
>underway. All of this took about 30 minutes which
>doesn't seem like too long, but when you don't know if
>anyone knows where you are and you re drifting farther
>and farther from the boat, I can assure you it seems
>like much longer!
>
>Lessons learned:
>
>1) Switch batteries on the scooter between dives. If
>we had fresh batteries in the scooter we could have
>made it back to the boat even following our drift
>deco.
>
>2) Make sure you have appropriate signaling devices.
>Lift bag, safety sausage, HID light, dive-alert. On
>the last, while the dive-alert has it's place, which
>is probably in situations where fog blows in and you
>are relatively close to the boat, its not much good at
>longer distances as I have now learned.
>
>Along this same line it would be comforting for the
>team in the water if the boat had someway of signaling
>back that they knew where you were and would come get
>you shortly (Horn, flare, guy in a lime green drysuit
>waving his arms on the top of the boat)!
>
>3) This situation pointed out the need for chase boats
>when diving in strong currents, or for the boat to be
>able to put a float on the anchor line, so they can
>leave to pick up/attend to the divers on a lift bag.
>While the Miss Lindsey has a chase boat it was not
>used in this case. In this case we were able to
>complete our deco, surface and wait to be picked up.
>If a diver was injured or did not have appropriate gas
>to complete his deco (like hanging it off the boat
>instead of carrying it with you) the outcome might not
>have been as favorable.
>
>4) Stay calm. While we were concerned as to whether
>or not anyone knew where we were, we remained calm
>which helped to contribute to the favorable outcome of
>this dive. There was no reason to panic, the water
>was warm, we were in trilam drysuits with thinsulate
>undergarments, we had a 10 watt hid that would burn
>for 5 + hours which would be especially good for
>signaling in the dusk or at night and we had 4 back up
>lights between us. We had just eaten several Miss
>Lindsey "Deco Dogs" before the second dive so our
>nutritional requirements were taken care of (those
>things will stay with you forever!). We were well
>hydrated and I had a P-valve in my drysuit - too bad
>my son did not (You've never seen anyone get out of a
>drysuit and run for the head so fast)!!!!
>
>5) If you are doing a "drift and run" deco, make sure
>you don't lose sight of the anchor line.
>
>All in all, it was an incredible day of diving, great
>weather, great viz, great bottles (yes we still had
>both bags when we got back on the boat), and a very
>worthwhile learning experience. What more could you
>ask for?
>
>Dave Dalton
>
>
>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>Dave Dalton
>
>"You just can't show up for "Game Day" and expect to win.
> You've got to go to practice if you want to be ready!"
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~toddclagett/NovaTech/
>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Who gives a fuck how deep you dive! =
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depth, it's about FUN and SAFETY! SAFETY! Get it SAFETY one more time so =
your=20
dumbass will get it SAFETY. After all I'm hearing I don't know if I =
really want=20
to dive with you. I think I will listen to George, you're a fuck=20
up.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Brian Hunter</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> DIR Always</FONT></DIV>
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style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dcaptjt@mi*.co* =
href=3D"mailto:captjt@mi*.co*">Capt JT</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3DVBTech@ci*.co*=20
href=3D"mailto:VBTech@ci*.co*">VBTech list</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A =
title=3Dallysonclagett@ea*.ne*=20
href=3D"mailto:allysonclagett@ea*.ne*">'Allyson'</A> ; <A=20
title=3Dtrey@my*.ne* =
href=3D"mailto:trey@my*.ne*">trey@myacc.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 24,
2002 =
10:02=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Nova Tech Dive =
Report=20
7/21/02 & Lessons Learned</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I see you are trying to narrow down the playing
field, =
dropped=20
all list but VBtech and of course George, your ego is to thin, your =
leading a=20
group of quarry divers, you have only 7 ocean dives this year 2 were =
on Sunday=20
and 3 the weekend before, 2 in April....... nothing past 130ft , your =
a weenie=20
diver......<BR><BR><BR> At 09:51 PM 7/24/02 -0400, Capt JT =
wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=3D"" type=3D"cite">Your so fucked up, I've been =
waiting for=20
this, you have the wrong Bob. I saw that right away in your emails =
and was=20
laughing my ass off, you don't know who's who or what to do. =
<BR><BR><BR>At=20
08:16 PM 7/24/02 -0400, Todd Clagett wrote:<BR><FONT face=3Darial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=3D"" type=3D"cite">This is pretty funny. Your =
ego got=20
damaged because I told you Stella and Bob were not ready to do the =
Barque=20
(250'). You then started to pull out everything that we had =
ever=20
done wrong. I admit, I have done plenty wrong in the =
water. It=20
was mostly when I was listening to the VB tech crowd. The =
fact is=20
you are mad becasue people see the stupid things you do as just =
that,=20
STUPID. </FONT><BR> <BR><FONT face=3Darial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I=20
guess you are the one who let Bob go to the bottom on the Ethel C. =
with a=20
stage bottle of O2 turned completely on because he didn't have the =
correct=20
regulator? Or was that somebody else. I thought you =
would take=20
my advice when I said these folks weren't ready, but you took it =
personal=20
for some reason. I make mistakes and so do all others I =
know. =20
You better be ready to react to the mistakes when they =
happen. =20
</FONT><BR> <BR><FONT face=3Darial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>You always say=20
your good judgement saved Becky when she ox-toxed on the Doria =
(because=20
you paired her with Rick). How many dives in doubles did she =
have? I recall seeing her on the boat about 3 weeks before =
in=20
doubles for the first time. I would say your good judgement =
almos=20
killed a very nice girl! You don't get it now and you never=20
will. </FONT><BR> <BR><FONT face=3Darial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Allyson did not have her isolator closed. It =
wouldn't matter=20
if she did though, we would have handled that too! I doubt =
you would=20
have been close enough to help had you been her buddy. It =
would have=20
been another "heart attack". </FONT><BR> <BR><FONT
=
face=3Darial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>The only thing I said on the boat was =
that we were in=20
a gas sharing situation and then the daltons went back for some of =
my=20
gear. Jeff said "why the fuck were you gas sharing for a reg =
failure?" I replied......She wants fucking gas, she gets =
gas. =20
End of story. Why does this have to be a conspiracy? =
You are=20
paranoid man, chill out. I have nothing to gain by lying, =
mainly=20
because it doesn't matter. Diving doesn't define me, =
validate me, or=20
justify me like it does you. I think you better learn how to =
dive a=20
little better since it validates your life so much. =20
</FONT><BR> <BR><FONT face=3Darial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Tell me about=20
boat captains and when they can dive and sleep. I am really=20
interested to hear this one. =
</FONT><BR> <BR><FONT=20
face=3Darial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Todd</FONT>
<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT face=3Dtahoma size=3D2>
<DL>
<DD>-----Original Message-----=20
<DD>From: VBTech list [<A =
href=3D"mailto:VBTech@ci*.co*%5DOn"=20
eudora=3D"autourl">mailto:VBTech@ci*.co*]On</A> Behalf =
Of Capt=20
JT=20
<DD>Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 7:37 PM=20
<DD>To: VBTech list=20
<DD>Cc: Allyson; trey@my*.ne*; andrewg@fi*.co*;=20
techdiver@aquanaut.com=20
<DD>Subject: Re: Nova Tech Dive Report 7/21/02 & Lessons=20
Learned<BR><BR></FONT>
<DD>Funny thing about egos, you push them enough and they will =
come=20
out.........the fact is Todd came up and told what happen(most =
divers=20
do at first and then change the story to save their egos), you =
and I=20
assume Todd were doing this new DIR drill you think you've =
learned and=20
some how you left the boat with your isolator and your back up =
reg=20
closed only breathing off your primary. At about 20mins (which =
is=20
right for your size tanks and SAC) you ran out of gas, =
switched to=20
your back up and got shit........ In the panic once you got on =
Todd's=20
gas started back to the anchor, this is where I'm waiting for =
someone=20
to put the real story together from the posted story it ain't =
hard to=20
do, all they have to do is read and put the pieces =
together.<BR><BR>
<DD>The fact is I saw the email that Todd challenged Dave to =
go public=20
on these list about who you did not want to go on some =
trips.........=20
I wanted it to happen, Dave did not as not to put names on the =
list.........I could give a fuck........ So when Todd started =
his=20
little private cc posting I smashed all your dicks (even =
though you=20
don't have one) with the truth about your skills and past =
history, we=20
have been protecting you guys all the time and I knew it would =
be just=20
a matter of time before you fucked up and Dave nor I was there =
to=20
correct it. Funny, the divers you were worried about did=20
fine.........you guys have the problem.<BR><BR>
<DD>Here is another noticeable thing..........you now include =
the=20
VBtech list, Dalton didn't because he knew that some on the =
boat are=20
only on that list.=20
=
<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><
;BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><=
BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DD>At 06:30 PM 7/24/02 -0400, Allyson
wrote:<BR><BR><FONT =
face=3Darial=20
color=3D#000080 size=3D2>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=3D"" type=3D"cite">
<DD>I am absolutely in awe over how obtuse you are. Who the =
hell do=20
you think you are talking to? This is me, JT. Dalton didn't =
write=20
about some of the details you mention because they didn't =
happen to=20
him, not because he is trying to protect our "frail egos" or =
"cover=20
[anything] up," please! I do not give a flying f*@% about =
anyone's=20
ego. Todd and I will be glad to talk about those details =
that you=20
say were suspiciously left out, and we plan on it. We'll =
talk about=20
*everything.*</FONT>=20
<DD>Do you think I actually jumped off the boat into 118fsw =
with no=20
valves on? If you think that was ever a possibility from me =
you=20
should have never invited me on the trips that you have =
lead. You=20
must not think much of me at all to even think that a =
possibility=20
and I must be some sort of super diver with a SAC rate of =
almost=20
zero to be able to stay on the bottom for 17 minutes with =
two off=20
valves and then to continue on my own accord through my slow =
ascent/decompression; that would make me some sort of =
physiological=20
oddity. Why didn't you just ask me what happened before you =
came to=20
the table with your plate full of usual tired misinformed =
rhetoric?=20
I see that you are chomping at the bit to confront us and =
that is=20
amusing. I suggest you get off your "high horse" before you =
get=20
knocked off. Your attitude is sickening. Is this what you do =
to=20
validate yourself? <BR><BR>
<DD>Before each dive we have been checking every facet of =
our gear=20
and ensuring that it is operational because we subscribe to =
the=20
belief that what each of us is carrying belongs to the =
entire team.=20
After our team checks, everything on my person was =
operational and=20
behaving as it should, including my SPG, the needle never =
bounced=20
when I took not 3 but 6 breaths from my back up reg on the =
surface,=20
the extra 3 breaths were done to satisfy my buddy because he =
didn't=20
witness me do it the first time. You have no idea what =
happened to=20
me, not the foggiest...do you know how I know this? Because =
we=20
didn't tell anyone on the boat what happened to me except =
that we=20
shared air--we were intentionally unclear because no one on =
the boat=20
cared for one another as evidenced by the completely =
unprofessional=20
cluster f*@% that later occurred and the misinformation =
regarding me=20
that you received from your "drooling informants." <BR><BR>
<DD>I have put my heart and soul into this sport because I =
respect=20
the fact that the ocean is not my natural environment and =
that=20
mother nature can be a real bitch. There was no panic on our =
parts,=20
a detail that you must have just made up. Panic will get one =
killed.=20
Remedying *my* situation went smoothly because we took the=20
philosophy and the procedures that AG and MHK taught and =
used them=20
and that includes the countless hours me and my buddies have =
spent=20
in the quarry practicing and preparing for "real dives" and =
any=20
situations that arise on those dives. My brief moment of not =
being=20
able to access my gas did not even upset me because I knew =
my buddy,=20
Todd, would be there for me once I alerted him, and he was =
in my=20
face instantly watching me make a reg switch and when he saw =
I=20
wasn't satisfied with that solution he had gas in my mouth =
in=20
seconds and it was executed calmly. There is something to be =
said=20
about having a procedure in place to handle would be =
emergencies.=20
And I was also aware of the fact that it was an =
impossibility for me=20
to actually be out of gas. I can't stress how crucial superb =
buddy=20
skills are to the diving system. One interesting aspect of =
the DIR=20
system is that whether my equipment failed me or I failed =
myself=20
there was still another safe way out.<BR><BR>
<DD>And, JT, I write this knowing full well that you will =
put this=20
in your Allyson Clagett email file so that you can throw it =
back in=20
my face when it's convenient for you to do so and most =
probably=20
attempt to poke a hole through every thing I or my buddies =
say. What=20
kind of person does that? Better yet, what kind of *friend* =
does=20
that? If you actually have some constructive criticism I =
will=20
welcome it with open arms but at this point I am not hopeful =
that is=20
what your intentions are. I will save you the trouble of =
publicly=20
publishing this by doing so myself. If you ever want to have =
a real=20
conversation with me, like a mature adult would do, and not =
the=20
nonsensical Internet bully email crap that has become your =
style you=20
have my phone number. I'll happily speak with you--but I'll =
never=20
dive with you again your general attitude sucks and GI is =
right, yet=20
again, you are obstinate... but I believe his exact words =
were hard=20
headed and incapable of learning.<BR><BR>
<DD>Happy Internet diving, JT, I know you enjoy =
it.<BR><BR><FONT=20
color=3D#000080>
<DD><BR><BR></FONT><FONT face=3Darial size=3D2>
<DD>-----Original Message-----</FONT>=20
<DD>From: Capt JT [<A href=3D"mailto:captjt@mi*.co*"=20
eudora=3D"autourl">mailto:captjt@mi*.co*</A>]<BR><BR>
<DD>Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 4:22 PM<BR><BR>
<DD>To: dmdalton<BR><BR>
<DD>Cc: allysonlc@ea*.ne*; =
toddclagett@ea*.ne*<BR><BR>
<DD>Subject: Re: Nova Tech Dive Report 7/21/02 & Lessons =
Learned<BR><BR><FONT color=3D#000080>
<DD><BR><BR></FONT><FONT face=3Darial size=3D2>
<DD>Dave, I have read your report and I have been informed =
by others=20
on the</FONT>=20
<DD>boat what really went down. I am answering this private =
and will=20
at this<BR><BR>
<DD>point keep it that way until you are not able to cover =
the flack=20
I<BR><BR>
<DD>suspect will come from the report on techdiver. Several=20
important details<BR><BR>
<DD>you left out to cover ones egos, shut off valves(not 1 =
but 2) ,=20
panic,<BR><BR>
<DD>drifting away when no one else had a problem with the=20
current,<BR><BR>
<DD>ect.......... and are suggesting that the BOAT should =
have done=20
something<BR><BR>
<DD>different, when all problems were caused by the divers=20
themselves. Cover<BR><BR>
<DD>your own egos best you can if any questions start and =
cover the=20
boat or I<BR><BR>
<DD>will........I know what really happened, this is one you =
should=20
not have<BR><BR>
<DD>posted, you guys are too "thin skinned" to handle a =
seasoned=20
diver drilling<BR><BR>
<DD>this report.<BR><BR><FONT color=3D#000080>
<DD><BR><BR>
<DD><BR><BR>
<DD><BR><BR></FONT><FONT face=3Darial size=3D2>
<DD>At 10:37 AM 7/23/02 -0700, you wrote:</FONT>=20
<DD>>Trip report:<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>Sunday, July 21, 2002 found 4 Nova Tech divers=20
diving<BR><BR>
<DD>>out of Virginia Beach, VA on the Miss Lindsey =
with<BR><BR>
<DD>>others with whom they regularly dive of the VB =
Tech<BR><BR>
<DD>>group. Nova Tech group divers consisted of =
Todd<BR><BR>
<DD>>Clagett and Allyson Clagett diving as a buddy team =
1<BR><BR>
<DD>>and David Dalton, Sr. & David Dalton, Jr. diving =
as<BR><BR>
<DD>>buddy team 2. Team 1 is generally more interested =
in<BR><BR>
<DD>>artifact recovery and Team 2 leans more =
toward<BR><BR>
<DD>>sightseeing.<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>We arrived at the site of the Eureka (118 fsw) =
at<BR><BR>
<DD>>approximately 10:30, geared up and were in the =
water<BR><BR>
<DD>>at 11:30. Visibility was a spectacular 70 ft =
and<BR><BR>
<DD>>water temps on the bottom were a pleasant 61=20
degrees,<BR><BR>
<DD>>with surface temp being much warmer. There was =
a<BR><BR>
<DD>>strong current and it was very nice to be =
using<BR><BR>
<DD>>scooters to deal with it. More on that =
later!<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>Team 1 went right to digging in a hole that =
wasn't<BR><BR>
<DD>>more than 15 feet from where the wreck was tied =
in.<BR><BR>
<DD>>They left the numerous bottles they unearthed for=20
the<BR><BR>
<DD>>second dive bringing up just one. Team 2 toured =
the<BR><BR>
<DD>>wreck with D1 (Sr) pulling D2 (Jr) with his =
Gavin<BR><BR>
<DD>>scooter. D2 carried a camera and shot two rolls=20
which<BR><BR>
<DD>>are in the process of being developed as I write.=20
The<BR><BR>
<DD>>clarity of the water allowed one to get a very =
good<BR><BR>
<DD>>understanding of the layout of the wreck. Viewing=20
the<BR><BR>
<DD>>two large anchors on the port side of the bow, at=20
the<BR><BR>
<DD>>same time was incredible. Both Teams completed =
their<BR><BR>
<DD>>planned 40 minute bottom times and required deco =
and<BR><BR>
<DD>>got back on board.<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>Todd advised that he had just broken into a new=20
crate<BR><BR>
<DD>>of bottles and showed one he had stuffed in =
his<BR><BR>
<DD>>pocket, a square bottle of Dr. Prichard's =
Castoria<BR><BR>
<DD>>with the good doctor's name and the product name=20
cast<BR><BR>
<DD>>into the bottle. Although these bottles were from=20
the<BR><BR>
<DD>>1890's when this ship sunk, D1 is old enough (54) =
to<BR><BR>
<DD>>remember taking this patent medicine as a child. =
It<BR><BR>
<DD>>was still sold in a square bottle and appeared =
that<BR><BR>
<DD>>the only change was from a cork to a screw =
top.<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>Todd's discovery generated considerable =
excitement<BR><BR>
<DD>>between both teams and both decided to concentrate=20
on<BR><BR>
<DD>>excavating that hole on the second dive.<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>Both teams brought bags down to carry back bottles=20
on<BR><BR>
<DD>>the second dive. Todd, being the master digger with=20
a<BR><BR>
<DD>>scooter, went to work while the other 3 stuffed =
the<BR><BR>
<DD>>bags as he handed out bottles.<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>About 20 minutes into the dive Allyson developed =
a<BR><BR>
<DD>>problem with one of her regs and after the =
situation<BR><BR>
<DD>>was handled both teams decided to end the dive. =
Team<BR><BR>
<DD>>1 started their ascent and deco and Team 2 hooked =
up<BR><BR>
<DD>>the two bags of bottles and started their =
ascent.<BR><BR>
<DD>>Rather than hang on the line like a flag in the=20
breeze<BR><BR>
<DD>>we were doing "drift and run deco". Drift 50 or =
60<BR><BR>
<DD>>feet from the anchor line and then run back to it=20
with<BR><BR>
<DD>>the scooter, then drift again and repeat, =
obviously<BR><BR>
<DD>>only a technique one would employ in good =
viz.<BR><BR>
<DD>>Between 40 & 50 feet the current picked up quite =
a=20
bit<BR><BR>
<DD>>and we (Team 2) inadvertently drifted out of sight=20
of<BR><BR>
<DD>>the anchor line. We ran some circular patterns on=20
the<BR><BR>
<DD>>scooter but to no avail. We settled in, shot a =
bag,<BR><BR>
<DD>>completed our deco drift style, and upon =
completion<BR><BR>
<DD>>surfaced to find the boat several hundred yards=20
away.<BR><BR>
<DD>>We dropped down to 15 feet and scootered toward =
the<BR><BR>
<DD>>boat for about 2 minutes. We surfaced again and =
saw<BR><BR>
<DD>>that we were making progress so we dropped down =
and<BR><BR>
<DD>>tried it again. This time I could hear the motor =
on<BR><BR>
<DD>>the scooter slowing and realized we were out of=20
juice.<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>We returned to the surface, and found we were =
even<BR><BR>
<DD>>farther away than before. We fully inflated the =
lift<BR><BR>
<DD>>bag, hooked up the dive-alerts an honked them =
and<BR><BR>
<DD>>flashed the HID light in the direction of the =
boat.<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>Todd later advised that he saw us as soon as =
we<BR><BR>
<DD>>surfaced but we were not aware of this. =
Consequently<BR><BR>
<DD>>we continued to signal and honk. Interestingly no=20
one<BR><BR>
<DD>>heard the dive alert (other than us!) and the =
HID<BR><BR>
<DD>>light (a 10 Watt EE Pro 6) was more visible than =
the<BR><BR>
<DD>>yellow lift bag. (Note to self: Never dive in =
the<BR><BR>
<DD>>ocean without the HID!)<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>As we were the last divers in the water the =
boat<BR><BR>
<DD>>didn't have to wait TOOOOOOOOO long before coming =
to<BR><BR>
<DD>>get us. The mate went in to pull the hook, =
they<BR><BR>
<DD>>pulled up the hangbars and gear lines and =
got<BR><BR>
<DD>>underway. All of this took about 30 minutes =
which<BR><BR>
<DD>>doesn't seem like too long, but when you don't know=20
if<BR><BR>
<DD>>anyone knows where you are and you re drifting=20
farther<BR><BR>
<DD>>and farther from the boat, I can assure you it =
seems<BR><BR>
<DD>>like much longer!<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>Lessons learned:<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>1) Switch batteries on the scooter between dives. =
If<BR><BR>
<DD>>we had fresh batteries in the scooter we could =
have<BR><BR>
<DD>>made it back to the boat even following our =
drift<BR><BR>
<DD>>deco.<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>2) Make sure you have appropriate signaling =
devices.<BR><BR>
<DD>>Lift bag, safety sausage, HID light, dive-alert. =
On<BR><BR>
<DD>>the last, while the dive-alert has it's place, =
which<BR><BR>
<DD>>is probably in situations where fog blows in and =
you<BR><BR>
<DD>>are relatively close to the boat, its not much good=20
at<BR><BR>
<DD>>longer distances as I have now learned.<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>Along this same line it would be comforting for =
the<BR><BR>
<DD>>team in the water if the boat had someway of=20
signaling<BR><BR>
<DD>>back that they knew where you were and would come=20
get<BR><BR>
<DD>>you shortly (Horn, flare, guy in a lime green=20
drysuit<BR><BR>
<DD>>waving his arms on the top of the boat)!<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>3) This situation pointed out the need for chase=20
boats<BR><BR>
<DD>>when diving in strong currents, or for the boat to=20
be<BR><BR>
<DD>>able to put a float on the anchor line, so they =
can<BR><BR>
<DD>>leave to pick up/attend to the divers on a lift =
bag.<BR><BR>
<DD>>While the Miss Lindsey has a chase boat it was =
not<BR><BR>
<DD>>used in this case. In this case we were able =
to<BR><BR>
<DD>>complete our deco, surface and wait to be picked =
up.<BR><BR>
<DD>>If a diver was injured or did not have appropriate=20
gas<BR><BR>
<DD>>to complete his deco (like hanging it off the =
boat<BR><BR>
<DD>>instead of carrying it with you) the outcome might=20
not<BR><BR>
<DD>>have been as favorable.<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>4) Stay calm. While we were concerned as to =
whether<BR><BR>
<DD>>or not anyone knew where we were, we remained =
calm<BR><BR>
<DD>>which helped to contribute to the favorable outcome=20
of<BR><BR>
<DD>>this dive. There was no reason to panic, the =
water<BR><BR>
<DD>>was warm, we were in trilam drysuits with =
thinsulate<BR><BR>
<DD>>undergarments, we had a 10 watt hid that would =
burn<BR><BR>
<DD>>for 5 + hours which would be especially good =
for<BR><BR>
<DD>>signaling in the dusk or at night and we had 4 back=20
up<BR><BR>
<DD>>lights between us. We had just eaten several =
Miss<BR><BR>
<DD>>Lindsey "Deco Dogs" before the second dive so =
our<BR><BR>
<DD>>nutritional requirements were taken care of =
(those<BR><BR>
<DD>>things will stay with you forever!). We were =
well<BR><BR>
<DD>>hydrated and I had a P-valve in my drysuit - too =
bad<BR><BR>
<DD>>my son did not (You've never seen anyone get out of=20
a<BR><BR>
<DD>>drysuit and run for the head so fast)!!!!<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>5) If you are doing a "drift and run" deco, make=20
sure<BR><BR>
<DD>>you don't lose sight of the anchor line.<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>All in all, it was an incredible day of diving,=20
great<BR><BR>
<DD>>weather, great viz, great bottles (yes we still =
had<BR><BR>
<DD>>both bags when we got back on the boat), and a =
very<BR><BR>
<DD>>worthwhile learning experience. What more could =
you<BR><BR>
<DD>>ask for?<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>Dave Dalton<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<BR><BR>
<DD>>Dave Dalton<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>"You just can't show up for "Game Day" and expect to =
win.<BR><BR>
<DD>> You've got to go to practice if you want to be=20
ready!"<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
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<DD>><BR><BR>
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