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Yes I sent that, but that was when I thought you knew what you were =
doing. After listening to George Irvine, and Todd Claret it sounds like =
you don't know shit! Yes I want to dive but not with STROKES who don't =
care about my SAFETY or others.=20
Brian Hunter
DIR Forever
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Capt JT=20
To: VBTech@ci*.co*=20
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com=20
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: Nova Tech Dive Report 7/21/02 & Lessons Learned
Look neophyte, I have been getting emails from you for months like =
this:
At 09:44 AM 6/26/02 -0400, you wrote:
Jt,
My name is Brian Hunter, I don't know if you remember talking to me =
awhile ago but I now live in Va.(Dahlgren Navy base). I would like to =
know if we could get together and go diving. My ph# is 540-xxxxxxxxxx I =
would appreciate a call to discuss a chance to go diving with your =
group. Just so you know I am DIR, and always looking to be better.
Thank you and looking forward to hearing from you.
Brian Hunter
, begging me to take you out diving with us and I tell you to just get =
on the boat on a weenie dive first. I base my decision on this:
At 10:51 PM 1/23/02 -0600, Brian Hunter wrote:
I myself am new to tech diving=20
Look, the neophytes like you who keep jumping on the band wagon of DIR =
don't have the experience for a real dive and unless you are protected =
and watched out for you will do shit like Todd. The only thing he lacked =
to be in Star Wars in his predive check, was one of them answering =
"ROGER ROGER".=20
I don't need anymore babies to sit.........get some experience first.
=20
At 04:40 PM 7/25/02 -0400, Brian Hunter wrote:
Who gives a fuck how deep you dive! It's not about depth, it's about =
FUN and SAFETY! SAFETY! Get it SAFETY one more time so your dumbass will =
get it SAFETY. After all I'm hearing I don't know if I really want to =
dive with you. I think I will listen to George, you're a fuck up.
=20
Brian Hunter
DIR Always
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Capt JT=20
To: VBTech list=20
Cc: 'Allyson' ; trey@my*.ne*=20
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 10:02 PM=20
Subject: Re: Nova Tech Dive Report 7/21/02 & Lessons Learned
I see you are trying to narrow down the playing field, dropped =
all list but VBtech and of course George, your ego is to thin, your =
leading a group of quarry divers, you have only 7 ocean dives this year =
2 were on Sunday and 3 the weekend before, 2 in April....... nothing =
past 130ft , your a weenie diver......
At 09:51 PM 7/24/02 -0400, Capt JT wrote:
Your so fucked up, I've been waiting for this, you have the =
wrong Bob. I saw that right away in your emails and was laughing my ass =
off, you don't know who's who or what to do.=20
At 08:16 PM 7/24/02 -0400, Todd Clagett wrote:
This is pretty funny. Your ego got damaged because I told =
you Stella and Bob were not ready to do the Barque (250'). You then =
started to pull out everything that we had ever done wrong. I admit, I =
have done plenty wrong in the water. It was mostly when I was listening =
to the VB tech crowd. The fact is you are mad becasue people see the =
stupid things you do as just that, STUPID. =20
=20
I guess you are the one who let Bob go to the bottom on the =
Ethel C. with a stage bottle of O2 turned completely on because he =
didn't have the correct regulator? Or was that somebody else. I =
thought you would take my advice when I said these folks weren't ready, =
but you took it personal for some reason. I make mistakes and so do all =
others I know. You better be ready to react to the mistakes when they =
happen. =20
=20
You always say your good judgement saved Becky when she =
ox-toxed on the Doria (because you paired her with Rick). How many =
dives in doubles did she have? I recall seeing her on the boat about 3 =
weeks before in doubles for the first time. I would say your good =
judgement almos killed a very nice girl! You don't get it now and you =
never will. =20
=20
Allyson did not have her isolator closed. It wouldn't =
matter if she did though, we would have handled that too! I doubt you =
would have been close enough to help had you been her buddy. It would =
have been another "heart attack". =20
=20
The only thing I said on the boat was that we were in a gas =
sharing situation and then the daltons went back for some of my gear. =
Jeff said "why the fuck were you gas sharing for a reg failure?" I =
replied......She wants fucking gas, she gets gas. End of story. Why =
does this have to be a conspiracy? You are paranoid man, chill out. I =
have nothing to gain by lying, mainly because it doesn't matter. Diving =
doesn't define me, validate me, or justify me like it does you. I think =
you better learn how to dive a little better since it validates your =
life so much. =20
=20
Tell me about boat captains and when they can dive and =
sleep. I am really interested to hear this one. =20
=20
Todd=20
-----Original Message-----=20
From: VBTech list [mailto:VBTech@ci*.co*]On Behalf =
Of Capt JT=20
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 7:37 PM=20
To: VBTech list=20
Cc: Allyson; trey@my*.ne*; andrewg@fi*.co*; =
techdiver@aquanaut.com=20
Subject: Re: Nova Tech Dive Report 7/21/02 & Lessons Learned
Funny thing about egos, you push them enough and they will =
come out.........the fact is Todd came up and told what happen(most =
divers do at first and then change the story to save their egos), you =
and I assume Todd were doing this new DIR drill you think you've learned =
and some how you left the boat with your isolator and your back up reg =
closed only breathing off your primary. At about 20mins (which is right =
for your size tanks and SAC) you ran out of gas, switched to your back =
up and got shit........ In the panic once you got on Todd's gas started =
back to the anchor, this is where I'm waiting for someone to put the =
real story together from the posted story it ain't hard to do, all they =
have to do is read and put the pieces together.
The fact is I saw the email that Todd challenged Dave to go =
public on these list about who you did not want to go on some =
trips......... I wanted it to happen, Dave did not as not to put names =
on the list.........I could give a fuck........ So when Todd started his =
little private cc posting I smashed all your dicks (even though you =
don't have one) with the truth about your skills and past history, we =
have been protecting you guys all the time and I knew it would be just a =
matter of time before you fucked up and Dave nor I was there to correct =
it. Funny, the divers you were worried about did fine.........you guys =
have the problem.
Here is another noticeable thing..........you now include =
the VBtech list, Dalton didn't because he knew that some on the boat are =
only on that list.=20
At 06:30 PM 7/24/02 -0400, Allyson wrote:
I am absolutely in awe over how obtuse you are. Who the =
hell do you think you are talking to? This is me, JT. Dalton didn't =
write about some of the details you mention because they didn't happen =
to him, not because he is trying to protect our "frail egos" or "cover =
[anything] up," please! I do not give a flying f*@% about anyone's ego. =
Todd and I will be glad to talk about those details that you say were =
suspiciously left out, and we plan on it. We'll talk about *everything.* =
Do you think I actually jumped off the boat into 118fsw =
with no valves on? If you think that was ever a possibility from me you =
should have never invited me on the trips that you have lead. You must =
not think much of me at all to even think that a possibility and I must =
be some sort of super diver with a SAC rate of almost zero to be able to =
stay on the bottom for 17 minutes with two off valves and then to =
continue on my own accord through my slow ascent/decompression; that =
would make me some sort of physiological oddity. Why didn't you just ask =
me what happened before you came to the table with your plate full of =
usual tired misinformed rhetoric? I see that you are chomping at the bit =
to confront us and that is amusing. I suggest you get off your "high =
horse" before you get knocked off. Your attitude is sickening. Is this =
what you do to validate yourself?=20
Before each dive we have been checking every facet of our =
gear and ensuring that it is operational because we subscribe to the =
belief that what each of us is carrying belongs to the entire team. =
After our team checks, everything on my person was operational and =
behaving as it should, including my SPG, the needle never bounced when I =
took not 3 but 6 breaths from my back up reg on the surface, the extra 3 =
breaths were done to satisfy my buddy because he didn't witness me do it =
the first time. You have no idea what happened to me, not the =
foggiest...do you know how I know this? Because we didn't tell anyone on =
the boat what happened to me except that we shared air--we were =
intentionally unclear because no one on the boat cared for one another =
as evidenced by the completely unprofessional cluster f*@% that later =
occurred and the misinformation regarding me that you received from your =
"drooling informants."=20
I have put my heart and soul into this sport because I =
respect the fact that the ocean is not my natural environment and that =
mother nature can be a real bitch. There was no panic on our parts, a =
detail that you must have just made up. Panic will get one killed. =
Remedying *my* situation went smoothly because we took the philosophy =
and the procedures that AG and MHK taught and used them and that =
includes the countless hours me and my buddies have spent in the quarry =
practicing and preparing for "real dives" and any situations that arise =
on those dives. My brief moment of not being able to access my gas did =
not even upset me because I knew my buddy, Todd, would be there for me =
once I alerted him, and he was in my face instantly watching me make a =
reg switch and when he saw I wasn't satisfied with that solution he had =
gas in my mouth in seconds and it was executed calmly. There is =
something to be said about having a procedure in place to handle would =
be emergencies. And I was also aware of the fact that it was an =
impossibility for me to actually be out of gas. I can't stress how =
crucial superb buddy skills are to the diving system. One interesting =
aspect of the DIR system is that whether my equipment failed me or I =
failed myself there was still another safe way out.
And, JT, I write this knowing full well that you will put =
this in your Allyson Clagett email file so that you can throw it back in =
my face when it's convenient for you to do so and most probably attempt =
to poke a hole through every thing I or my buddies say. What kind of =
person does that? Better yet, what kind of *friend* does that? If you =
actually have some constructive criticism I will welcome it with open =
arms but at this point I am not hopeful that is what your intentions =
are. I will save you the trouble of publicly publishing this by doing so =
myself. If you ever want to have a real conversation with me, like a =
mature adult would do, and not the nonsensical Internet bully email crap =
that has become your style you have my phone number. I'll happily speak =
with you--but I'll never dive with you again your general attitude sucks =
and GI is right, yet again, you are obstinate... but I believe his exact =
words were hard headed and incapable of learning.
Happy Internet diving, JT, I know you enjoy it.
=20
-----Original Message-----=20
From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 4:22 PM
To: dmdalton
Cc: allysonlc@ea*.ne*; toddclagett@ea*.ne*
Subject: Re: Nova Tech Dive Report 7/21/02 & Lessons =
Learned
=20
Dave, I have read your report and I have been informed by =
others on the=20
boat what really went down. I am answering this private =
and will at this
point keep it that way until you are not able to cover the =
flack I
suspect will come from the report on techdiver. Several =
important details
you left out to cover ones egos, shut off valves(not 1 but =
2) , panic,
drifting away when no one else had a problem with the =
current,
ect.......... and are suggesting that the BOAT should have =
done something
different, when all problems were caused by the divers =
themselves. Cover
your own egos best you can if any questions start and =
cover the boat or I
will........I know what really happened, this is one you =
should not have
posted, you guys are too "thin skinned" to handle a =
seasoned diver drilling
this report.
=20
=20
=20
At 10:37 AM 7/23/02 -0700, you wrote:=20
>Trip report:
>
>Sunday, July 21, 2002 found 4 Nova Tech divers diving
>out of Virginia Beach, VA on the Miss Lindsey with
>others with whom they regularly dive of the VB Tech
>group. Nova Tech group divers consisted of Todd
>Clagett and Allyson Clagett diving as a buddy team 1
>and David Dalton, Sr. & David Dalton, Jr. diving as
>buddy team 2. Team 1 is generally more interested in
>artifact recovery and Team 2 leans more toward
>sightseeing.
>
>We arrived at the site of the Eureka (118 fsw) at
>approximately 10:30, geared up and were in the water
>at 11:30. Visibility was a spectacular 70 ft and
>water temps on the bottom were a pleasant 61 degrees,
>with surface temp being much warmer. There was a
>strong current and it was very nice to be using
>scooters to deal with it. More on that later!
>
>Team 1 went right to digging in a hole that wasn't
>more than 15 feet from where the wreck was tied in.
>They left the numerous bottles they unearthed for the
>second dive bringing up just one. Team 2 toured the
>wreck with D1 (Sr) pulling D2 (Jr) with his Gavin
>scooter. D2 carried a camera and shot two rolls which
>are in the process of being developed as I write. The
>clarity of the water allowed one to get a very good
>understanding of the layout of the wreck. Viewing the
>two large anchors on the port side of the bow, at the
>same time was incredible. Both Teams completed their
>planned 40 minute bottom times and required deco and
>got back on board.
>
>Todd advised that he had just broken into a new crate
>of bottles and showed one he had stuffed in his
>pocket, a square bottle of Dr. Prichard's Castoria
>with the good doctor's name and the product name cast
>into the bottle. Although these bottles were from the
>1890's when this ship sunk, D1 is old enough (54) to
>remember taking this patent medicine as a child. It
>was still sold in a square bottle and appeared that
>the only change was from a cork to a screw top.
>
>Todd's discovery generated considerable excitement
>between both teams and both decided to concentrate on
>excavating that hole on the second dive.
>
>Both teams brought bags down to carry back bottles on
>the second dive. Todd, being the master digger with a
>scooter, went to work while the other 3 stuffed the
>bags as he handed out bottles.
>
>About 20 minutes into the dive Allyson developed a
>problem with one of her regs and after the situation
>was handled both teams decided to end the dive. Team
>1 started their ascent and deco and Team 2 hooked up
>the two bags of bottles and started their ascent.
>Rather than hang on the line like a flag in the breeze
>we were doing "drift and run deco". Drift 50 or 60
>feet from the anchor line and then run back to it with
>the scooter, then drift again and repeat, obviously
>only a technique one would employ in good viz.
>Between 40 & 50 feet the current picked up quite a bit
>and we (Team 2) inadvertently drifted out of sight of
>the anchor line. We ran some circular patterns on the
>scooter but to no avail. We settled in, shot a bag,
>completed our deco drift style, and upon completion
>surfaced to find the boat several hundred yards away.
>We dropped down to 15 feet and scootered toward the
>boat for about 2 minutes. We surfaced again and saw
>that we were making progress so we dropped down and
>tried it again. This time I could hear the motor on
>the scooter slowing and realized we were out of juice.
>
>We returned to the surface, and found we were even
>farther away than before. We fully inflated the lift
>bag, hooked up the dive-alerts an honked them and
>flashed the HID light in the direction of the boat.
>
>Todd later advised that he saw us as soon as we
>surfaced but we were not aware of this. Consequently
>we continued to signal and honk. Interestingly no one
>heard the dive alert (other than us!) and the HID
>light (a 10 Watt EE Pro 6) was more visible than the
>yellow lift bag. (Note to self: Never dive in the
>ocean without the HID!)
>
>As we were the last divers in the water the boat
>didn't have to wait TOOOOOOOOO long before coming to
>get us. The mate went in to pull the hook, they
>pulled up the hangbars and gear lines and got
>underway. All of this took about 30 minutes which
>doesn't seem like too long, but when you don't know if
>anyone knows where you are and you re drifting farther
>and farther from the boat, I can assure you it seems
>like much longer!
>
>Lessons learned:
>
>1) Switch batteries on the scooter between dives. If
>we had fresh batteries in the scooter we could have
>made it back to the boat even following our drift
>deco.
>
>2) Make sure you have appropriate signaling devices.
>Lift bag, safety sausage, HID light, dive-alert. On
>the last, while the dive-alert has it's place, which
>is probably in situations where fog blows in and you
>are relatively close to the boat, its not much good at
>longer distances as I have now learned.
>
>Along this same line it would be comforting for the
>team in the water if the boat had someway of signaling
>back that they knew where you were and would come get
>you shortly (Horn, flare, guy in a lime green drysuit
>waving his arms on the top of the boat)!
>
>3) This situation pointed out the need for chase boats
>when diving in strong currents, or for the boat to be
>able to put a float on the anchor line, so they can
>leave to pick up/attend to the divers on a lift bag.
>While the Miss Lindsey has a chase boat it was not
>used in this case. In this case we were able to
>complete our deco, surface and wait to be picked up.
>If a diver was injured or did not have appropriate gas
>to complete his deco (like hanging it off the boat
>instead of carrying it with you) the outcome might not
>have been as favorable.
>
>4) Stay calm. While we were concerned as to whether
>or not anyone knew where we were, we remained calm
>which helped to contribute to the favorable outcome of
>this dive. There was no reason to panic, the water
>was warm, we were in trilam drysuits with thinsulate
>undergarments, we had a 10 watt hid that would burn
>for 5 + hours which would be especially good for
>signaling in the dusk or at night and we had 4 back up
>lights between us. We had just eaten several Miss
>Lindsey "Deco Dogs" before the second dive so our
>nutritional requirements were taken care of (those
>things will stay with you forever!). We were well
>hydrated and I had a P-valve in my drysuit - too bad
>my son did not (You've never seen anyone get out of a
>drysuit and run for the head so fast)!!!!
>
>5) If you are doing a "drift and run" deco, make sure
>you don't lose sight of the anchor line.
>
>All in all, it was an incredible day of diving, great
>weather, great viz, great bottles (yes we still had
>both bags when we got back on the boat), and a very
>worthwhile learning experience. What more could you
>ask for?
>
>Dave Dalton
>
>
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>Dave Dalton
>
>"You just can't show up for "Game Day" and expect to win.
> You've got to go to practice if you want to be ready!"
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~toddclagett/NovaTech/
>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Yes I sent that, but that was =
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it sounds like you don't know shit! Yes I want to dive but not with =
STROKES who=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Brian Hunter</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> DIR Forever</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 25, 2002
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9:26=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Nova Tech Dive =
Report=20
7/21/02 & Lessons Learned</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR>Look neophyte, I have been getting emails from
you =
for=20
months like this:<BR><BR>At 09:44 AM 6/26/02 -0400, you =
wrote:<BR><FONT=20
face=3Darial size=3D2>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=3D"" type=3D"cite">Jt,</FONT><BR>My name is Brian =
Hunter, I=20
don't know if you remember talking to me awhile ago but I now live =
in=20
Va.(Dahlgren Navy base). I would like to know if we could get =
together and=20
go diving. My ph# is 540-xxxxxxxxxx I would appreciate a call to =
discuss a=20
chance to go diving with your group. Just so you know I am DIR, and =
always=20
looking to be better.<BR> Thank you and looking forward to =
hearing from=20
you.<BR> Brian Hunter</BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR>, begging
me to =
take you=20
out diving with us and I tell you to just get on the boat on a weenie =
dive=20
first. I base my decision on this:<BR><BR>At 10:51 PM 1/23/02 -0600, =
Brian=20
Hunter wrote:<BR><FONT face=3Darial color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2> I myself am new to =
tech=20
diving <BR><BR></FONT>Look, the neophytes like you who keep jumping
on =
the=20
band wagon of DIR don't have the experience for a real dive and unless =
you are=20
protected and watched out for you will do shit like Todd. The only =
thing he=20
lacked to be in Star Wars in his predive check, was one of them =
answering=20
"ROGER ROGER". <BR><BR>I don't need anymore babies to sit.........get =
some=20
experience first.<BR> <BR><BR> At 04:40 PM 7/25/02
-0400, =
Brian=20
Hunter wrote:<BR><FONT face=3Darial size=3D2>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=3D"" type=3D"cite">Who gives a fuck how deep you =
dive! It's not=20
about depth, it's about FUN and SAFETY! SAFETY! Get it SAFETY one =
more time=20
so your dumbass will get it SAFETY. After all I'm hearing I don't =
know if I=20
really want to dive with you. I think I will listen to George, =
you're a fuck=20
up.</FONT><BR> <BR><FONT face=3Darial
size=3D2> Brian=20
Hunter</FONT><BR> DIR Always
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<DL>
<DD>----- Original Message -----=20
<DD>From:</B> <A href=3D"mailto:captjt@mi*.co*">Capt =
JT</A>=20
<DD>To:</B> <A href=3D"mailto:VBTech@ci*.co*">VBTech =
list</A>=20
<DD>Cc:</B> <A =
href=3D"mailto:allysonclagett@ea*.ne*">'Allyson'</A>=20
; <A href=3D"mailto:trey@my*.ne*">trey@myacc.net</A>=20
<DD>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 24, 2002 10:02 PM=20
<DD>Subject:</B> Re: Nova Tech Dive Report 7/21/02 & Lessons =
Learned<BR><BR>
<DD>I see you are trying to narrow down the playing field, =
dropped all=20
list but VBtech and of course George, your ego is to thin, your =
leading=20
a group of quarry divers, you have only 7 ocean dives this year =
2 were=20
on Sunday and 3 the weekend before, 2 in April....... nothing =
past 130ft=20
, your a weenie diver......<BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DD> At 09:51 PM 7/24/02 -0400, Capt JT wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=3D"" type=3D"cite">
<DD>Your so fucked up, I've been waiting for this, you have =
the wrong=20
Bob. I saw that right away in your emails and was laughing my =
ass off,=20
you don't know who's who or what to do. <BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DD>At 08:16 PM 7/24/02 -0400, Todd Clagett wrote:<FONT =
face=3Darial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=3D"" type=3D"cite">
<DD>This is pretty funny. Your ego got damaged because =
I told=20
you Stella and Bob were not ready to do the Barque =
(250'). You=20
then started to pull out everything that we had ever done=20
wrong. I admit, I have done plenty wrong in the =
water. =20
It was mostly when I was listening to the VB tech =
crowd. The=20
fact is you are mad becasue people see the stupid things you =
do as=20
just that, STUPID. </FONT>
<DD><FONT face=3Darial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>=20
<DD>I guess you are the one who let Bob go to the bottom on =
the=20
Ethel C. with a stage bottle of O2 turned completely on =
because he=20
didn't have the correct regulator? Or was that =
somebody=20
else. I thought you would take my advice when I said =
these=20
folks weren't ready, but you took it personal for some =
reason. =20
I make mistakes and so do all others I know. You =
better be=20
ready to react to the mistakes when they happen. =
</FONT>
<DD><FONT face=3Darial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>=20
<DD>You always say your good judgement saved Becky when she =
ox-toxed=20
on the Doria (because you paired her with Rick). How =
many=20
dives in doubles did she have? I recall seeing her on =
the boat=20
about 3 weeks before in doubles for the first time. I =
would=20
say your good judgement almos killed a very nice girl! =
You=20
don't get it now and you never will. </FONT>
<DD><FONT face=3Darial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>=20
<DD>Allyson did not have her isolator closed. It =
wouldn't=20
matter if she did though, we would have handled that =
too! I=20
doubt you would have been close enough to help had you been =
her=20
buddy. It would have been another "heart =
attack". =20
</FONT>
<DD><FONT face=3Darial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>=20
<DD>The only thing I said on the boat was that we were in a =
gas=20
sharing situation and then the daltons went back for some of =
my=20
gear. Jeff said "why the fuck were you gas sharing for =
a reg=20
failure?" I replied......She wants fucking gas, she =
gets=20
gas. End of story. Why does this have to be a=20
conspiracy? You are paranoid man, chill out. I =
have=20
nothing to gain by lying, mainly because it doesn't =
matter. =20
Diving doesn't define me, validate me, or justify me like it =
does=20
you. I think you better learn how to dive a little =
better=20
since it validates your life so much. </FONT>
<DD><FONT face=3Darial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>=20
<DD>Tell me about boat captains and when they can dive and=20
sleep. I am really interested to hear this =
one. =20
</FONT>
<DD><FONT face=3Darial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>=20
<DD>Todd</FONT> <FONT face=3Dtahoma size=3D2>
<DD>-----Original Message-----=20
<DD>From: VBTech list [<A =
href=3D"mailto:VBTech@ci*.co*%5DOn"=20
eudora=3D"autourl">mailto:VBTech@ci*.co*]On</A> =
Behalf Of Capt=20
JT=20
<DD>Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 7:37 PM=20
<DD>To: VBTech list=20
<DD>Cc: Allyson; trey@my*.ne*; andrewg@fi*.co*;=20
techdiver@aquanaut.com=20
<DD>Subject: Re: Nova Tech Dive Report 7/21/02 & Lessons =
Learned<BR><BR></FONT>
<DD>Funny thing about egos, you push them enough and they =
will come=20
out.........the fact is Todd came up and told what =
happen(most=20
divers do at first and then change the story to save their =
egos),=20
you and I assume Todd were doing this new DIR drill you =
think you've=20
learned and some how you left the boat with your isolator =
and your=20
back up reg closed only breathing off your primary. At about =
20mins=20
(which is right for your size tanks and SAC) you ran out of =
gas,=20
switched to your back up and got shit........ In the panic =
once you=20
got on Todd's gas started back to the anchor, this is where =
I'm=20
waiting for someone to put the real story together from the =
posted=20
story it ain't hard to do, all they have to do is read and =
put the=20
pieces together.<BR><BR>
<DD>The fact is I saw the email that Todd challenged Dave to =
go=20
public on these list about who you did not want to go on =
some=20
trips......... I wanted it to happen, Dave did not as not to =
put=20
names on the list.........I could give a fuck........ So =
when Todd=20
started his little private cc posting I smashed all your =
dicks (even=20
though you don't have one) with the truth about your skills =
and past=20
history, we have been protecting you guys all the time and I =
knew it=20
would be just a matter of time before you fucked up and Dave =
nor I=20
was there to correct it. Funny, the divers you were worried =
about=20
did fine.........you guys have the problem.<BR><BR>
<DD>Here is another noticeable thing..........you now =
include the=20
VBtech list, Dalton didn't because he knew that some on the =
boat are=20
only on that list.=20
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<DD>At 06:30 PM 7/24/02 -0400, Allyson
wrote:<BR><BR><FONT=20
face=3Darial color=3D#000080 size=3D2>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=3D"" type=3D"cite">
<DD>I am absolutely in awe over how obtuse you are. Who =
the hell=20
do you think you are talking to? This is me, JT. Dalton =
didn't=20
write about some of the details you mention because they =
didn't=20
happen to him, not because he is trying to protect our =
"frail=20
egos" or "cover [anything] up," please! I do not give a =
flying=20
f*@% about anyone's ego. Todd and I will be glad to talk =
about=20
those details that you say were suspiciously left out, and =
we plan=20
on it. We'll talk about *everything.*</FONT>=20
<DD>Do you think I actually jumped off the boat into =
118fsw with=20
no valves on? If you think that was ever a possibility =
from me you=20
should have never invited me on the trips that you have =
lead. You=20
must not think much of me at all to even think that a =
possibility=20
and I must be some sort of super diver with a SAC rate of =
almost=20
zero to be able to stay on the bottom for 17 minutes with =
two off=20
valves and then to continue on my own accord through my =
slow=20
ascent/decompression; that would make me some sort of=20
physiological oddity. Why didn't you just ask me what =
happened=20
before you came to the table with your plate full of usual =
tired=20
misinformed rhetoric? I see that you are chomping at the =
bit to=20
confront us and that is amusing. I suggest you get off =
your "high=20
horse" before you get knocked off. Your attitude is =
sickening. Is=20
this what you do to validate yourself? <BR><BR>
<DD>Before each dive we have been checking every facet of =
our gear=20
and ensuring that it is operational because we subscribe =
to the=20
belief that what each of us is carrying belongs to the =
entire=20
team. After our team checks, everything on my person was=20
operational and behaving as it should, including my SPG, =
the=20
needle never bounced when I took not 3 but 6 breaths from =
my back=20
up reg on the surface, the extra 3 breaths were done to =
satisfy my=20
buddy because he didn't witness me do it the first time. =
You have=20
no idea what happened to me, not the foggiest...do you =
know how I=20
know this? Because we didn't tell anyone on the boat what =
happened=20
to me except that we shared air--we were intentionally =
unclear=20
because no one on the boat cared for one another as =
evidenced by=20
the completely unprofessional cluster f*@% that later =
occurred and=20
the misinformation regarding me that you received from =
your=20
"drooling informants." <BR><BR>
<DD>I have put my heart and soul into this sport because I =
respect=20
the fact that the ocean is not my natural environment and =
that=20
mother nature can be a real bitch. There was no panic on =
our=20
parts, a detail that you must have just made up. Panic =
will get=20
one killed. Remedying *my* situation went smoothly because =
we took=20
the philosophy and the procedures that AG and MHK taught =
and used=20
them and that includes the countless hours me and my =
buddies have=20
spent in the quarry practicing and preparing for "real =
dives" and=20
any situations that arise on those dives. My brief moment =
of not=20
being able to access my gas did not even upset me because =
I knew=20
my buddy, Todd, would be there for me once I alerted him, =
and he=20
was in my face instantly watching me make a reg switch and =
when he=20
saw I wasn't satisfied with that solution he had gas in my =
mouth=20
in seconds and it was executed calmly. There is something =
to be=20
said about having a procedure in place to handle would be=20
emergencies. And I was also aware of the fact that it was =
an=20
impossibility for me to actually be out of gas. I can't =
stress how=20
crucial superb buddy skills are to the diving system. One=20
interesting aspect of the DIR system is that whether my =
equipment=20
failed me or I failed myself there was still another safe =
way=20
out.<BR><BR>
<DD>And, JT, I write this knowing full well that you will =
put this=20
in your Allyson Clagett email file so that you can throw =
it back=20
in my face when it's convenient for you to do so and most =
probably=20
attempt to poke a hole through every thing I or my buddies =
say.=20
What kind of person does that? Better yet, what kind of =
*friend*=20
does that? If you actually have some constructive =
criticism I will=20
welcome it with open arms but at this point I am not =
hopeful that=20
is what your intentions are. I will save you the trouble =
of=20
publicly publishing this by doing so myself. If you ever =
want to=20
have a real conversation with me, like a mature adult =
would do,=20
and not the nonsensical Internet bully email crap that has =
become=20
your style you have my phone number. I'll happily speak =
with=20
you--but I'll never dive with you again your general =
attitude=20
sucks and GI is right, yet again, you are obstinate... but =
I=20
believe his exact words were hard headed and incapable of=20
learning.<BR><BR>
<DD>Happy Internet diving, JT, I know you enjoy=20
it.<BR><BR><BR><BR><FONT face=3Darial size=3D2>
<DD>=20
<DD>-----Original Message-----</FONT>=20
<DD>From: Capt JT [<A =
href=3D"mailto:captjt@mi*.co*"=20
=
eudora=3D"autourl">mailto:captjt@mi*.co*</A>]<BR><BR>
<DD>Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 4:22 PM<BR><BR>
<DD>To: dmdalton<BR><BR>
<DD>Cc: allysonlc@ea*.ne*; =
toddclagett@ea*.ne*<BR><BR>
<DD>Subject: Re: Nova Tech Dive Report 7/21/02 & =
Lessons=20
Learned<BR><BR><BR><BR><FONT face=3Darial size=3D2>
<DD>=20
<DD>Dave, I have read your report and I have been informed =
by=20
others on the</FONT>=20
<DD>boat what really went down. I am answering this =
private and=20
will at this<BR><BR>
<DD>point keep it that way until you are not able to cover =
the=20
flack I<BR><BR>
<DD>suspect will come from the report on techdiver. =
Several=20
important details<BR><BR>
<DD>you left out to cover ones egos, shut off valves(not 1 =
but 2)=20
, panic,<BR><BR>
<DD>drifting away when no one else had a problem with the=20
current,<BR><BR>
<DD>ect.......... and are suggesting that the BOAT should =
have=20
done something<BR><BR>
<DD>different, when all problems were caused by the divers =
themselves. Cover<BR><BR>
<DD>your own egos best you can if any questions start and =
cover=20
the boat or I<BR><BR>
<DD>will........I know what really happened, this is one =
you=20
should not have<BR><BR>
<DD>posted, you guys are too "thin skinned" to handle a =
seasoned=20
diver drilling<BR><BR>
<DD>this report.<BR><BR><BR><BR><FONT
color=3D#000080>
<DD> <BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DD> <BR><BR><BR><BR></FONT><FONT
face=3Darial size=3D2>
<DD>=20
<DD>At 10:37 AM 7/23/02 -0700, you wrote:</FONT>=20
<DD>>Trip report:<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>Sunday, July 21, 2002 found 4 Nova Tech divers=20
diving<BR><BR>
<DD>>out of Virginia Beach, VA on the Miss Lindsey =
with<BR><BR>
<DD>>others with whom they regularly dive of the VB=20
Tech<BR><BR>
<DD>>group. Nova Tech group divers consisted of =
Todd<BR><BR>
<DD>>Clagett and Allyson Clagett diving as a buddy team =
1<BR><BR>
<DD>>and David Dalton, Sr. & David Dalton, Jr. =
diving=20
as<BR><BR>
<DD>>buddy team 2. Team 1 is generally more interested=20
in<BR><BR>
<DD>>artifact recovery and Team 2 leans more =
toward<BR><BR>
<DD>>sightseeing.<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>We arrived at the site of the Eureka (118 fsw) =
at<BR><BR>
<DD>>approximately 10:30, geared up and were in the=20
water<BR><BR>
<DD>>at 11:30. Visibility was a spectacular 70 ft =
and<BR><BR>
<DD>>water temps on the bottom were a pleasant 61=20
degrees,<BR><BR>
<DD>>with surface temp being much warmer. There was =
a<BR><BR>
<DD>>strong current and it was very nice to be =
using<BR><BR>
<DD>>scooters to deal with it. More on that =
later!<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>Team 1 went right to digging in a hole that =
wasn't<BR><BR>
<DD>>more than 15 feet from where the wreck was tied=20
in.<BR><BR>
<DD>>They left the numerous bottles they unearthed for=20
the<BR><BR>
<DD>>second dive bringing up just one. Team 2 toured=20
the<BR><BR>
<DD>>wreck with D1 (Sr) pulling D2 (Jr) with his =
Gavin<BR><BR>
<DD>>scooter. D2 carried a camera and shot two rolls=20
which<BR><BR>
<DD>>are in the process of being developed as I write.=20
The<BR><BR>
<DD>>clarity of the water allowed one to get a very=20
good<BR><BR>
<DD>>understanding of the layout of the wreck. Viewing=20
the<BR><BR>
<DD>>two large anchors on the port side of the bow, at=20
the<BR><BR>
<DD>>same time was incredible. Both Teams completed=20
their<BR><BR>
<DD>>planned 40 minute bottom times and required deco=20
and<BR><BR>
<DD>>got back on board.<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>Todd advised that he had just broken into a new=20
crate<BR><BR>
<DD>>of bottles and showed one he had stuffed in =
his<BR><BR>
<DD>>pocket, a square bottle of Dr. Prichard's =
Castoria<BR><BR>
<DD>>with the good doctor's name and the product name=20
cast<BR><BR>
<DD>>into the bottle. Although these bottles were from=20
the<BR><BR>
<DD>>1890's when this ship sunk, D1 is old enough (54)=20
to<BR><BR>
<DD>>remember taking this patent medicine as a child.=20
It<BR><BR>
<DD>>was still sold in a square bottle and appeared=20
that<BR><BR>
<DD>>the only change was from a cork to a screw =
top.<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>Todd's discovery generated considerable =
excitement<BR><BR>
<DD>>between both teams and both decided to concentrate =
on<BR><BR>
<DD>>excavating that hole on the second dive.<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>Both teams brought bags down to carry back bottles =
on<BR><BR>
<DD>>the second dive. Todd, being the master digger =
with=20
a<BR><BR>
<DD>>scooter, went to work while the other 3 stuffed=20
the<BR><BR>
<DD>>bags as he handed out bottles.<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>About 20 minutes into the dive Allyson developed =
a<BR><BR>
<DD>>problem with one of her regs and after the=20
situation<BR><BR>
<DD>>was handled both teams decided to end the dive.=20
Team<BR><BR>
<DD>>1 started their ascent and deco and Team 2 hooked=20
up<BR><BR>
<DD>>the two bags of bottles and started their =
ascent.<BR><BR>
<DD>>Rather than hang on the line like a flag in the=20
breeze<BR><BR>
<DD>>we were doing "drift and run deco". Drift 50 or =
60<BR><BR>
<DD>>feet from the anchor line and then run back to it=20
with<BR><BR>
<DD>>the scooter, then drift again and repeat,=20
obviously<BR><BR>
<DD>>only a technique one would employ in good =
viz.<BR><BR>
<DD>>Between 40 & 50 feet the current picked up =
quite a=20
bit<BR><BR>
<DD>>and we (Team 2) inadvertently drifted out of sight =
of<BR><BR>
<DD>>the anchor line. We ran some circular patterns on=20
the<BR><BR>
<DD>>scooter but to no avail. We settled in, shot a=20
bag,<BR><BR>
<DD>>completed our deco drift style, and upon=20
completion<BR><BR>
<DD>>surfaced to find the boat several hundred yards=20
away.<BR><BR>
<DD>>We dropped down to 15 feet and scootered toward=20
the<BR><BR>
<DD>>boat for about 2 minutes. We surfaced again and=20
saw<BR><BR>
<DD>>that we were making progress so we dropped down=20
and<BR><BR>
<DD>>tried it again. This time I could hear the motor=20
on<BR><BR>
<DD>>the scooter slowing and realized we were out of=20
juice.<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>We returned to the surface, and found we were =
even<BR><BR>
<DD>>farther away than before. We fully inflated the=20
lift<BR><BR>
<DD>>bag, hooked up the dive-alerts an honked them =
and<BR><BR>
<DD>>flashed the HID light in the direction of the=20
boat.<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>Todd later advised that he saw us as soon as =
we<BR><BR>
<DD>>surfaced but we were not aware of this.=20
Consequently<BR><BR>
<DD>>we continued to signal and honk. Interestingly no=20
one<BR><BR>
<DD>>heard the dive alert (other than us!) and the =
HID<BR><BR>
<DD>>light (a 10 Watt EE Pro 6) was more visible than=20
the<BR><BR>
<DD>>yellow lift bag. (Note to self: Never dive in =
the<BR><BR>
<DD>>ocean without the HID!)<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>As we were the last divers in the water the =
boat<BR><BR>
<DD>>didn't have to wait TOOOOOOOOO long before coming=20
to<BR><BR>
<DD>>get us. The mate went in to pull the hook, =
they<BR><BR>
<DD>>pulled up the hangbars and gear lines and =
got<BR><BR>
<DD>>underway. All of this took about 30 minutes =
which<BR><BR>
<DD>>doesn't seem like too long, but when you don't =
know=20
if<BR><BR>
<DD>>anyone knows where you are and you re drifting=20
farther<BR><BR>
<DD>>and farther from the boat, I can assure you it=20
seems<BR><BR>
<DD>>like much longer!<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>Lessons learned:<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>1) Switch batteries on the scooter between dives.=20
If<BR><BR>
<DD>>we had fresh batteries in the scooter we could=20
have<BR><BR>
<DD>>made it back to the boat even following our =
drift<BR><BR>
<DD>>deco.<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>2) Make sure you have appropriate signaling=20
devices.<BR><BR>
<DD>>Lift bag, safety sausage, HID light, dive-alert.=20
On<BR><BR>
<DD>>the last, while the dive-alert has it's place,=20
which<BR><BR>
<DD>>is probably in situations where fog blows in and=20
you<BR><BR>
<DD>>are relatively close to the boat, its not much =
good=20
at<BR><BR>
<DD>>longer distances as I have now learned.<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>Along this same line it would be comforting for=20
the<BR><BR>
<DD>>team in the water if the boat had someway of=20
signaling<BR><BR>
<DD>>back that they knew where you were and would come=20
get<BR><BR>
<DD>>you shortly (Horn, flare, guy in a lime green=20
drysuit<BR><BR>
<DD>>waving his arms on the top of the boat)!<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>3) This situation pointed out the need for chase=20
boats<BR><BR>
<DD>>when diving in strong currents, or for the boat to =
be<BR><BR>
<DD>>able to put a float on the anchor line, so they=20
can<BR><BR>
<DD>>leave to pick up/attend to the divers on a lift=20
bag.<BR><BR>
<DD>>While the Miss Lindsey has a chase boat it was =
not<BR><BR>
<DD>>used in this case. In this case we were able =
to<BR><BR>
<DD>>complete our deco, surface and wait to be picked=20
up.<BR><BR>
<DD>>If a diver was injured or did not have appropriate =
gas<BR><BR>
<DD>>to complete his deco (like hanging it off the =
boat<BR><BR>
<DD>>instead of carrying it with you) the outcome might =
not<BR><BR>
<DD>>have been as favorable.<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>4) Stay calm. While we were concerned as to=20
whether<BR><BR>
<DD>>or not anyone knew where we were, we remained =
calm<BR><BR>
<DD>>which helped to contribute to the favorable =
outcome=20
of<BR><BR>
<DD>>this dive. There was no reason to panic, the =
water<BR><BR>
<DD>>was warm, we were in trilam drysuits with=20
thinsulate<BR><BR>
<DD>>undergarments, we had a 10 watt hid that would=20
burn<BR><BR>
<DD>>for 5 + hours which would be especially good =
for<BR><BR>
<DD>>signaling in the dusk or at night and we had 4 =
back=20
up<BR><BR>
<DD>>lights between us. We had just eaten several =
Miss<BR><BR>
<DD>>Lindsey "Deco Dogs" before the second dive so =
our<BR><BR>
<DD>>nutritional requirements were taken care of =
(those<BR><BR>
<DD>>things will stay with you forever!). We were =
well<BR><BR>
<DD>>hydrated and I had a P-valve in my drysuit - too=20
bad<BR><BR>
<DD>>my son did not (You've never seen anyone get out =
of=20
a<BR><BR>
<DD>>drysuit and run for the head so fast)!!!!<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>5) If you are doing a "drift and run" deco, make=20
sure<BR><BR>
<DD>>you don't lose sight of the anchor line.<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>All in all, it was an incredible day of diving,=20
great<BR><BR>
<DD>>weather, great viz, great bottles (yes we still=20
had<BR><BR>
<DD>>both bags when we got back on the boat), and a=20
very<BR><BR>
<DD>>worthwhile learning experience. What more could=20
you<BR><BR>
<DD>>ask for?<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>Dave Dalton<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<BR><BR>
<DD>>Dave Dalton<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>>"You just can't show up for "Game Day" and expect =
to=20
win.<BR><BR>
<DD>> You've got to go to practice if you want to be=20
ready!"<BR><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
<DD>> <A=20
href=3D"http://home.earthlink.net/~toddclagett/NovaTech/"=20
=
eudora=3D"autourl">http://home.earthlink.net/~toddclagett/NovaTech/</A><B=
R><BR>
<DD>><BR><BR>
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