Jesus Dave!!!!
You sure your middle name isn't George :))))
Later,


----- Original Message -----
From: "dmdalton" <dmdalton2000@ya*.co*>
To: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>; <girvine@be*.ne*>
Cc: "VB TECH MAIL LIST" <vbtech@ci*.co*>; "TECHDIVER"
<techdiver@aquanaut.com>; "Mike Kane" <mhkane@pr*.ne*>; "Andrew
Georgitsis" <andrewg@fi*.co*>; "DC-SCUBA" <dc-scuba@ya*.co*>
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 7:51 PM
Subject: Dear JT 2 Was: Nova Tech Dive Report 7/21/02 & Lessons Learned


> That's the trouble jt, you and your boys do too much
> drooling.  George's "Star Wars bar scene comes to
> mind.  A little less inbreeding would take care of
> that problem.
>
> Yes a real wreck diver can "see all".  Tell me about
> your "real wreck dive" to 490 fsw to discover sand! Or
> how about your planned 420 fsw dive for 20 or was it
> 30 minutes BT that Big Mike cancelled on you.  What's
> that give you 4, 5, 6? hr deco obligation in the
> ocean.
>
> Dave Dalton
>
>
> --- Capt JT <captjt@mi*.co*> wrote:
> > This is funny, now you say it is OK to put a float
> > on a line and leave
> > divers in the water when a fool drifts away, but
> > when you need to airlift a
> > diver to help save his life like the Seeker did it
> > is wrong.
> > George, you are not getting the full story on the
> > trip, I was at the dock
> > when they came in and I had a whole boat load of
> > divers just drooling to
> > give me the true details after they left, read the
> > trip report again, it is
> > very clear the things he is covering up, a real
> > wreck diver can pick them
> > out..........
> >
> >
> >
> >   At 10:09 PM 7/23/02 -0700, dmdalton wrote:
> > >Once again you are right on target, George.  Too
> > bad
> > >more haven't listened to your advice, including us.
> > >
> > >The week before 5 of the Nova Tech crowd chartered
> > our
> > >own boat, a 6 pack and it was "real hard".  I
> > called a
> > >friend of mine in the dive business and told him
> > that
> > >we wanted a boat run by a non-diver.  He gave me a
> > >number.  I called the fellow and told him we had 5
> > >divers to go out.  He started out telling me he
> > could
> > >get a dive instructor to "take care of us".  I told
> > >him we didn't need a dive instructor. I told him
> > where
> > >we wanted to go, the kind of dive profiles we would
> > be
> > >running and equipment we would be bringing and we
> > had
> > >ourselves a self directed charter.
> > >
> > >The only thing he told us (before we could tell
> > him!)
> > >was that if anyone got blown off the wreck, he
> > would
> > >"tie this here float" to the anchor line and go get
> > >the diver.
> > >
> > >Obviously it is a lot easier to control your
> > situation
> > >when you pull you own strings.  It isn't that hard
> > to
> > >find a boat to do it your way, and I don't know why
> > >more folks don't do it.
> > >
> > >BTW, the boat owner never asked to see our C-cards
> > so
> > >the GUE acceptance thing (a load of crap to be
> > sure)
> > >wouldn't have mattered anyway.
> > >
> > >Thanks as always, George, for your sage advice.
> > >
> > >Best to you and Pina.
> > >
> > >Keep hammering.
> > >
> > >Dave Dalton
> > >
> > >--- George Irvine <girvine@be*.ne*> wrote:
> > > > I keep telling you guys, leave the boat offset
> > from
> > > > the upline and
> > > > detachable. Do not hang anything from the boat.
> > I
> > > > told you that when I was
> > > > up there diving, and I told you that when I was
> > up
> > > > there giving a seminar.
> > > > Stop doing that before you kill somebody or lose
> > > > somebody. Make things easy,
> > > > do it right.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: dmdalton [mailto:dmdalton2000@ya*.co*]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 1:37 PM
> > > > To: TECHDIVER; DC-SCUBA; Atlantic Divers List
> > > > Subject: Nova Tech Dive Report 7/21/02 & Lessons
> > > > Learned
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Trip report:
> > > >
> > > > Sunday, July 21, 2002 found 4 Nova Tech divers
> > > > diving
> > > > out of Virginia Beach, VA on the Miss Lindsey
> > with
> > > > others with whom they regularly dive of the VB
> > Tech
> > > > group.  Nova Tech group divers consisted of Todd
> > > > Clagett and Allyson Clagett diving as a buddy
> > team 1
> > > > and David Dalton, Sr. & David Dalton, Jr. diving
> > as
> > > > buddy team 2.  Team 1 is generally more
> > interested
> > > > in
> > > > artifact recovery and Team 2 leans more toward
> > > > sightseeing.
> > > >
> > > > We arrived at the site of the Eureka (118 fsw)
> > at
> > > > approximately 10:30, geared up and were in the
> > water
> > > > at 11:30.  Visibility was a spectacular 70 ft
> > and
> > > > water temps on the bottom were a pleasant 61
> > > > degrees,
> > > > with surface temp being much warmer.  There was
> > a
> > > > strong current and it was very nice to be using
> > > > scooters to deal with it.  More on that later!
> > > >
> > > > Team 1 went right to digging in a hole that
> > wasn't
> > > > more than 15 feet from where the wreck was tied
> > in.
> > > > They left the numerous bottles they unearthed
> > for
> > > > the
> > > > second dive bringing up just one.  Team 2 toured
> > the
> > > > wreck with D1 (Sr) pulling D2 (Jr) with his
> > Gavin
> > > > scooter.  D2 carried a camera and shot two rolls
> > > > which
> > > > are in the process of being developed as I
> > write.
> > > > The
> > > > clarity of the water allowed one to get a very
> > good
> > > > understanding of the layout of the wreck.
> > Viewing
> > > > the
> > > > two large anchors on the port side of the bow,
> > at
> > > > the
> > > > same time was incredible.  Both Teams completed
> > > > their
> > > > planned 40  minute bottom times and required
> > deco
> > > > and
> > > > got back on board.
> > > >
> > > > Todd advised that he had just broken into a new
> > > > crate
> > > > of bottles and showed one he had stuffed in his
> > > > pocket, a square bottle of Dr. Prichard's
> > Castoria
> > > > with the good doctor's name and the product name
> > > > cast
> > > > into the bottle. Although these bottles were
> > from
> > > > the
> > > > 1890's when this ship sunk, D1 is old enough
> > (54) to
> > > > remember taking this patent medicine as a child.
> >  It
> > > > was still sold in a square bottle and appeared
> > that
> > > > the only change was from a cork to a screw top.
> > > >
> > > > Todd's discovery generated considerable
> > excitement
> > > > between both teams and both decided to
> > concentrate
> > > > on
> > > > excavating that hole on the second dive.
> > > >
> > > > Both teams brought bags down to carry back
> > bottles
> > > > on
> > > > the second dive.  Todd, being the master digger
> > with
> > > > a
> > > > scooter, went to work while the other 3 stuffed
> > the
> > > > bags as he handed out bottles.
> > > >
> > > > About 20 minutes into the dive Allyson developed
> > a
> > > > problem with one of her regs and after the
> > situation
> > > > was handled both teams decided to end the dive.
> > > > Team
> > > > 1 started their ascent and deco and Team 2
> > hooked up
> > > > the two bags of bottles and started their
> > ascent.
> > > > Rather than hang on the line like a flag in the
> > > > breeze
> > > > we were doing "drift and run deco". Drift 50 or
> > 60
> > > > feet from the anchor line and then run back to
> > it
> > > > with
> > > > the scooter, then drift again and repeat,
> > obviously
> > > > only a technique one would employ in good viz.
> > > > Between 40 & 50 feet the current picked up quite
> > a
> > > > bit
> > > > and we (Team 2) inadvertently drifted out of
> > sight
> > > > of
> > > > the anchor line.  We ran some circular patterns
> > on
> > > > the
> > > > scooter but to no avail.  We settled in, shot a
> > bag,
> > > > completed our deco drift style, and upon
> > completion
> > > > surfaced to find the boat several hundred yards
> > > > away.
> > > > We dropped down to 15 feet and scootered toward
> > the
> > > > boat for about 2 minutes.  We surfaced again and
> > saw
> > > > that we were making progress so we dropped down
> > and
> > > > tried it again.  This time I could hear the
> > motor on
> > > > the scooter slowing and realized we were out of
> > > > juice.
> > > >
> > > > We returned to the surface, and found we were
> > even
> > > > farther away than before.  We fully inflated the
> > > > lift
> > > > bag, hooked up the dive-alerts an honked them
> > and
> > > > flashed the HID light in the direction of the
> > boat.
> > > >
> > > > Todd later advised that he saw us as soon as we
> > > > surfaced but we were not aware of this.
> > Consequently
> > > > we continued to signal and honk.  Interestingly
> > no
> > > > one
> > > > heard the dive alert (other than us!) and the
> > HID
> > > > light (a 10 Watt EE Pro 6) was more visible than
> > the
> > > > yellow lift bag. (Note to self: Never dive in
> > the
> > > > ocean without the HID!)
> > > >
> > > > As we were the last divers in the water the boat
> > > > didn't have to wait TOOOOOOOOO long before
> > coming to
> > > > get us.  The mate went in to pull the hook, they
> > > > pulled up the hangbars and gear lines and got
> > > > underway.  All of this took about 30 minutes
> > which
> > > > doesn't seem like too long, but when you don't
> > know
> > > > if
> > > > anyone knows where you are and you re drifting
> > > > farther
> > > > and farther from the boat, I can assure you it
> > seems
> > > > like much longer!
> > > >
> > > > Lessons learned:
> > > >
> > > > 1) Switch batteries on the scooter between
> > dives.
> > > > If
> > > > we had fresh batteries in the scooter we could
> > have
> > > > made it back to the boat even following our
> > drift
> > > > deco.
> > > >
> > > > 2) Make sure you have appropriate signaling
> > devices.
> > > > Lift bag, safety sausage, HID light, dive-alert.
> >  On
> > > > the last, while the dive-alert has it's place,
> > which
> > > > is probably in situations where fog blows in and
> > you
> > > > are relatively close to the boat, its not much
> > good
> > > > at
> > > > longer distances as I have now learned.
> > > >
> > > > Along this same line it would be comforting for
> > the
> > > > team in the water if the boat had someway of
> > > > signaling
> > > > back that they knew where you were and would
> > come
> > > > get
> > > > you shortly (Horn, flare, guy in a lime green
> > > > drysuit
> > > > waving his arms on the top of the boat)!
> > > >
> > > > 3) This situation pointed out the need for chase
> > > > boats
> > > > when diving in strong currents, or for the boat
> > to
> > > > be
> > > > able to put a float on the anchor line, so they
> > can
> > > > leave to pick up/attend to the divers on a lift
> > bag.
> > > > While the Miss Lindsey has a chase boat it was
> > not
> > > > used in this case.  In this case we were able to
> > > > complete our deco, surface and wait to be picked
> > up.
> > > > If a diver was injured or did not have
> > appropriate
> > > > gas
> > > > to complete his deco (like hanging it off the
> > boat
> > > > instead of carrying it with you) the outcome
> > might
> > > > not
> > > > have been as favorable.
> > > >
> > > > 4)  Stay calm.  While we were concerned as to
> > > > whether
> > > > or not anyone knew where we were, we remained
> > calm
> > > > which helped to contribute to the favorable
> > outcome
> > > > of
> > > > this dive.  There was no reason to panic, the
> > water
> > > > was warm, we were in trilam drysuits with
> > thinsulate
> > > > undergarments, we had a 10 watt hid that would
> > burn
> > > > for 5 + hours which would be especially good for
> > > > signaling in the dusk or at night and we had 4
> > back
> > > > up
> > > > lights between us.  We had just eaten several
> > Miss
> > > > Lindsey "Deco Dogs" before the second dive so
> > our
> > > > nutritional requirements were taken care of
> > (those
> > > > things will stay with you forever!).  We were
> > well
> > > > hydrated and I had a P-valve in my drysuit - too
> > bad
> > > > my son did not (You've never seen anyone get out
> > of
> > > > a
> > > > drysuit and run for the head so fast)!!!!
> > > >
> > > > 5) If you are doing a "drift and run" deco, make
> > > > sure
> > > > you don't lose sight of the anchor line.
> > > >
> > > > All in all, it was an incredible day of diving,
> > > > great
> > > > weather, great viz, great bottles (yes we still
> > had
> > > > both bags when we got back on the boat), and a
> > very
> > > > worthwhile learning experience.  What more could
> > you
> > > > ask for?
> > > >
> > > > Dave Dalton
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > =====
> > > > Dave Dalton
> > > >
> > > > "You just can't show up for "Game Day" and
> > expect to
> > > > win.
> > > >   You've got to go to practice if you want to be
> > > > ready!"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://home.earthlink.net/~toddclagett/NovaTech/
> > > >
> > > >
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> > >
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> > ready!"
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>
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