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Agreed George,
It was capt. Sal on the Sea Hunter that was a complete moron in my =
experiences. I guess all NE operators are alike. A few years back I =
lived near Mystic Seaport, CT. My house was on the water and when I =
wanted a lobster I would put on my drysuit in my livingroom and walk =
down to the water. After visiting the local dive shops that ran trips =
and seeing the ego driven idiocy at work I decided my safest diving =
until I bought a boat was going to be shore diving.
I had the misfortunate opportunity to have to subject myself to Sal's =
ignorance on a trip to the Doria. First he said he would have several K =
bottles of O2 for us on the boat. When we got there from FL., he only =
had O2 for his crew. Fortunately we really didn't believe him so we had =
arranged to pick some up on L.Island just in case. It turns out he had =
as many freeloading crew members as was in our charter party; I use the =
word crew lightly because only a couple acted like crew members and were =
helpful and OK people. The rest just lounged around and tried to dive.=20
On one dive my partner and I had just returned from the 2nd class dining =
room/lobby and were hanging out doing deco. We heard the chase boat =
start up. When we surfaced we learned that one of Sal's crewmembers got =
lost in the wreck (he was practicing his progressive penetration skills =
he was bragging about before the dive); exited away from the upline, and =
attempted to deco without a liftbag in a major current. We have a rule =
that whenever our people are in the water we have a continuous topside =
watch (one of our guys) until all people are back on the boat. We also =
carry lift bags for reasons: if necessary to make a drift deco more =
managable, and to provide the topside watch with an immediate alert if a =
diver is blown off the wreck. Fortunately for Sal's crewmember we were =
in the water and therefore we had a topside watch on station.
Our topside watch thought he heard someone yelling in the distance and =
he had to try three times to get Sal to turn down the radio. I guess =
Sal likes to boogie?? Finally Sal turned the radio down and behold you =
could just hear someone way off in the distance screaming. Sal's first =
comment was something like, "It must be one of your guys." Our topsided =
watch retorted, "I doubt it because our guys have lift bags and they =
will deploy it immediately if they are blown off the wreck (assuming =
that ever happens)." So in goes the chase boat to fetch the progressive =
penetrating "I only have one light" crewmember.=20
We ended up sharing china with the crewmembers who didn't seem to be =
able to find their own even though some claimed this to be their 4th or =
5th trip out. What a nice bunch of guys we warm-water Florida cave/wreck =
diving go into your backyard and eat your lunch are!! In reality one guy =
from that trip and several from successive trips ended up coming down to =
FL for cave/trimix/wreck penetration instruction and I think had a great =
time. =20
- Doug
----- Original Message -----=20
From: George Irvine=20
To: Doug Chapman ; techdiver@aquanaut.com=20
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 8:50 PM
Subject: RE: Survey of NE DiveBoats re: GUE acceptance.
Billy had some stroke things going on, like the bondage wings ( he was =
an OMS dealer), but what a good guy to dive with. I dove with him a =
bunch, his captains who were squared away as well, and I helped him with =
some students, and with some situations where he needed the "secret =
weapon" as he called it. He did not suffer from any delusions about CCRs =
or any of the other crap we hear from those who are taking his name in =
vain. The guy ran a good trip. Too bad the NE morons can not learn from =
him.
I have to correct you on the "get in the face" part. I did see him get =
in the face of one guy - the Seeker captain, and it needed to be done. I =
also saw him tell people they were not going to dive stroke rigs on his =
boat, like independent doubles and other nonsense.
-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Chapman [mailto:dougch@ea*.ne*]
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 1:16 PM
To: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: RE: Survey of NE DiveBoats re: GUE acceptance.
>I can speak somewhat to the issue of Billy Deans, he truly was one =
of the=20
>nicest most honest, conscienscous guys in the business...... <snip>
I will certainly 2nd that statement... and he didn't feel compelled =
to beat up divers to get his points across. He didn't need to because =
his arguments were well thought out, non-paranoid or combative, =
reasonable, and appropriate in measure. It was an admirable quality for =
someone who at that time was essentially a respected statesman for the =
emerging technical diving industry. He made his dive trips fun as well =
as safe.
I was in Key West over the July 4th and holiday weekend this year, =
and I miss having a serious competent dive operator in that area. Out of =
curiosity, I inquired in various shops about trips to the deep wrecks =
and was met with the typical responses (a translation would be they were =
clueless and defensive of their egos - but they all offered 1/2 day =
SCUBA classes/experiences as evidence of their view on diver safety).=20
-Doug
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Agreed George,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It was capt. Sal on the Sea Hunter that =
was a=20
complete moron in my experiences. I guess all NE operators =
are alike.=20
A few years back I lived near Mystic Seaport, CT. My house was on the =
water and=20
when I wanted a lobster I would put on my drysuit in my livingroom and =
walk down=20
to the water. After visiting the local dive shops that ran trips and =
seeing the=20
ego driven idiocy at work I decided my safest diving until I bought a =
boat was=20
going to be shore diving.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I had the misfortunate opportunity to =
have to=20
subject myself to Sal's ignorance on a trip to the Doria. First he =
said he=20
would have several K bottles of O2 for us on the boat. When we got there =
from=20
FL., he only had O2 for his crew. Fortunately we really didn't believe =
him so we=20
had arranged to pick some up on L.Island just in case. It turns out he =
had as=20
many freeloading crew members as was in our charter party; I use the =
word crew=20
lightly because only a couple acted like crew members and were helpful =
and OK=20
people. The rest just lounged around and tried to dive. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>On one dive my partner and I had just =
returned from=20
the 2nd class dining room/lobby and were hanging out doing deco. We =
heard the=20
chase boat start up. When we surfaced we learned that one of Sal's=20
crewmembers got lost in the wreck (he was practicing his =
progressive=20
penetration skills he was bragging about before the dive); exited away =
from the=20
upline, and attempted to deco without a liftbag in a major =
current. We=20
have a rule that whenever our people are in the water we have a =
continuous=20
topside watch (one of our guys) until all people are back on the boat. =
We also=20
carry lift bags for reasons: if necessary to make a drift deco more =
managable, and to provide the topside watch with an immediate alert if a =
diver=20
is blown off the wreck. Fortunately for Sal's crewmember we were in the =
water=20
and therefore we had a topside watch on station.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Our topside watch thought he heard =
someone yelling=20
in the distance and he had to try three times to get Sal to turn down =
the=20
radio. I guess Sal likes to boogie?? Finally Sal turned the radio =
down and=20
behold you could just hear someone way off in the distance screaming. =
Sal's=20
first comment was something like, "It must be one of your guys." Our =
topsided=20
watch retorted, "I doubt it because our guys have lift bags and they =
will deploy=20
it immediately if they are blown off the wreck (assuming that ever =
happens)." So=20
in goes the chase boat to fetch the progressive penetrating "I only have =
one=20
light" crewmember. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>We ended up sharing china with the =
crewmembers who=20
didn't seem to be able to find their own even though some claimed this =
to be=20
their 4th or 5th trip out. What a nice bunch of guys we warm-water =
Florida=20
cave/wreck diving go into your backyard and eat your lunch are!! In =
reality one=20
guy from that trip and several from successive trips ended up coming =
down to FL=20
for cave/trimix/wreck penetration instruction and I think had a great=20
time. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>- Doug</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dgirvine@be*.ne* =
href=3D"mailto:girvine@be*.ne*">George=20
Irvine</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Ddougch@ea*.ne*=20
href=3D"mailto:dougch@ea*.ne*">Doug Chapman</A> ; <A=20
title=3Dtechdiver@aquanaut.com=20
href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com">techdiver@aquanaut.com</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, July 22, 2002 =
8:50 PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Survey of NE =
DiveBoats re:=20
GUE acceptance.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D387513000-23072002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Billy had some stroke things going on, like the bondage wings =
( he was=20
an OMS dealer), but what a good guy to dive with. I dove with him a =
bunch, his=20
captains who were squared away as well, and I helped him with some =
students,=20
and with some situations where he needed the "secret weapon" as he =
called it.=20
He did not suffer from any delusions about CCRs or any of the other =
crap we=20
hear from those who are taking his name in vain. The guy ran a good =
trip. Too=20
bad the NE morons can not learn from him.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D387513000-23072002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D387513000-23072002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I=20
have to correct you on the "get in the face" part. I did see him get =
in the=20
face of one guy - the Seeker captain, and it needed to be done. I also =
saw him=20
tell people they were not going to dive stroke rigs on his boat, like=20
independent doubles and other nonsense.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Doug Chapman=20
[mailto:dougch@ea*.ne*]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, July 22, 2002 =
1:16=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B>
techdiver@aquanaut.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: =
Survey of NE=20
DiveBoats re: GUE acceptance.<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>>I can speak somewhat to the issue of =
Billy Deans,=20
he truly was one of the </FONT><FONT face=3DArial><BR>>nicest =
most honest,=20
conscienscous guys in the business...... <snip></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I will certainly 2nd that statement... and=20
he didn't feel compelled to beat up divers to get his points =
across. He=20
didn't need to because his arguments were well thought out,=20
non-paranoid or combative, reasonable, and appropriate in =
measure. It=20
was an admirable quality for someone who at that time was =
essentially a=20
respected statesman for the emerging technical diving industry. He =
made his=20
dive trips fun as well as safe.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I was in Key West over the July 4th and =
holiday=20
weekend this year, and I miss having a serious competent =
dive=20
operator in that area. Out of curiosity, I inquired in various shops =
about trips to the deep wrecks and was met with the typical =
responses=20
(a translation would be they were clueless and defensive of =
their egos=20
- but they all offered 1/2 day SCUBA classes/experiences as evidence =
of=20
their view on diver safety). </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT=20
face=3DArial>-Doug</FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLO
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