George, it must really piss you off when I expose your embellished 
propaganda on how it should be done and who has or in this case does not 
have a perfect safety record. Best thing you can do is stop using Billy 
Deans name to promote some perfect way of doing things. He's out of diving, 
leave him alone.........





   At 07:06 AM 7/22/02 -0400, George Irvine wrote:
>Christina, I am not interested in Billy's CCR treasure diving, or whatever
>it was. He told me he needed them for the bottom time and gas logistics, so
>was willing to take the risks, which he understood and you do not, and to
>get JT off his back, he told me that he should not have let that guy who did
>get whacked dive at all, but the guy begged him, I guess about like you
>begged JT so you could put him at the same risk.
>
>I know you and your bounce diving wannabe buddies sorely wish to believe
>that the person who holds the worlds record for distance in a cave ( with a
>rebreather, hello ) does not know anything about rebreathers. The fact is, I
>do what I do because I know so much about them, and you do what you do
>because you do not. Not liking me or understanding the diving we do is no
>excuse for making an ass of yourself with an outward display of ignorance -
>stick to the pictures and keep you mouth shut about diving.
>
>For my RB, I want a reasonable , detectable failure mode with no gauges or
>meters or computers( not a plethora of silent ones ), a scrubber that will
>last for the dives I do ( yours will not), the ability to use the proper gas
>and deco procedures ( yours will not without carrying a ton of bottles and
>breathing them open circuit - I know you and your pals don't think I know
>deco, but think again and skip the fairy tales and guesswork), and of course
>I want a proper bailout attached with the shareable solution and I want my
>buddies to have the same thing and be prepared to use it. You have no idea
>what a dream world you are living in. Ask some of the many dead CCR divers
>when you see them.
>
>I know you are real proud of your little bounces and I know that you believe
>depth is everything, and I know that a 400 foot dive is a real challenge for
>you, but your whole scheme that you described to me is like pretending that
>wearing a condom in a bath house will keep you from getting AIDS - good
>luck - I personally will not get on a boat with that kind of bullshit.
>Luckily for me, I don't have to.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Christina Young [mailto:christi5@ix*.ne*.co*]
>Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 10:49 PM
>To: girvine@be*.ne*; Capt JT
>Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com; captjt@mi*.ne*; Quest@Gu*. Com
>Subject: RE: FW: Survey of NE DiveBoats re: GUE acceptance.
>
>
>Interesting..... Billy Deans converted his deep wreck diving team to CCRs
>("electronic rebreathers" as you like to call them).  The same unit as the
>one I dive, I believe.  What kind of bailout configuration did he use,
>George???  Or is your response to this one going to be similar to your last
>one because you haven't the foggiest clue?
>
>Christina
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: George Irvine [mailto:girvine@be*.ne*]
>Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 8:50 PM
>To: Capt JT; christi5@ix*.ne*.co*
>Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com; captjt@mi*.ne*; Quest@Gu*. Com
>Subject: RE: FW: Survey of NE DiveBoats re: GUE acceptance.
>
>
>Guess what , JT, you are as full of shit and petty resentment as usual.
>Deans was on a trip many years ago where they were diving air and one of the
>other air solo divers got tangled up in his stroke gear in the wiring of the
>elevator shaft ( or some such nonsense) and died. Deans stopped diving air.
>
>This is not the issue, and neither is your petty resentment of me.
>
>The fact is Deans did things correctly on the trips he ran, and you do not.
>
>For a guy who failed fundamentals and has been doing this about a fifth of
>the amount of time I have, and who has a piss poor track record that will in
>no way compares to mine, you sure have all the answers and a big yapping
>mouth. Why don't you try sticking to the facts and save you bull for the
>idiots up there who will believe it.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]
>Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 11:35 AM
>To: girvine@be*.ne*; christi5@ix*.ne*.co*
>Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com; captjt@mi*.ne*; Quest@Gu*. Com
>Subject: RE: FW: Survey of NE DiveBoats re: GUE acceptance.
>
>
>At 06:29 AM 7/21/02 -0400, George Irvine wrote: Billy Deans had a
> >perfect track record of not killing anyone. He had a perfect track record
> >of saving every moron who screwed up. He ran his show properly. Maybe all
> >of you should ring Billy up and ask him how he did it.
>
>I hear he is a nice guy and did his best, but got out of the business for
>several reasons. We do know from Gary Gentiles books and the latest book
>Deep Decent, Billy was part of one of the Doria deaths. No disrespect to
>him, just a mere fact of history. Also there is this rumor that keeps
>popping up on a death on a RB during a trip lead by him which a lawsuit
>followed. Don't know how much is true, but I'm sure you know the clean and
>dirty version and we are about to hear the clean........why don't you stop
>pulling this guy out of your pocket like a gun. He is history and got out
>of the business for known reasons. Even I can accurately  predict no
>accidents if I'm not running trips or in the business.
>
>I not a weather man either, but if I say it's going to rain, sooner or
>later I'm going to be right.......should I apply for a job on the news
>weather team ;-)
>I don't work for the CIA or FBI, but if I say we are going to be hit by
>terrorist, do you think they will give me a job for knowing something they
>don't.
>
>Now if I could say exactly WHEN, WHERE, and HOW now that would be doing
>something.
>
>Here let me help you with your prediction....... Someone will die diving
>this year if they are not diving DIR/ GUE trained or GI in charge...... if
>they are DIR/GUE trained then they weren't following DIR/GUE or they were
>diving with strokes. If they are part of the WKPP team, then of course it
>was not during a WKPP dive and is covered above. If you don't believe me my
>lawyer will be sending you an official letter or email explaining why I'm
>right.
>
>Your post are like the game show "To Tell the Truth", only 1 in 3 are
>correct........ and that ONE is pushing it.
>
>
>
> >I was even on the
> >boat when the previous Seeker captain ( the one before Dr. Dumbass) was
> >trying to dive  300 odd foot deep wreck. Deans laid down the law to this
> >guy before allowing him on the boat, and then we both had a huge laugh when
> >the guys still had so much crap on him that Deans and I both had to lift
> >him out of his seat and walk him to the water. the captain and I set the
> >hook, and then we got out and the safety divers took over while this guy
> >did his dive with another NE wreck genius. really, call Billy and find out
> >how it is done , even with strokes on the boat.
> >
> >I can see you guys refusing to listen to me and having to find out the hard
> >way, but I can not see how you can continue to do the same things over and
> >over after all your so called experience while expecting difference
> >results. I figured this one out in my first ten attempts at these dives, so
> >did not have to suffer any of the consequences on the more than one
> >thousand of them I have done since.
> >
> >Of  course, I clearly agree with you on all of the other things you
> >mention, like Christina thinking she is going to get out of a bad situation
> >on her CCR with a single 80. I hope she doe s not find out that hard way on
> >that one, since clearly in RB land, there are no amount of deaths that seem
> >to get the message across, so hers would not do anything either other than
> >invoke the usual hand wringing response from the CCR clowns about how they
> >can't understand how such a thing could happen.
> >
> >I can give you all a clue as to what is wrong with Danny's operation.
> >First, get a copy of Star Wars Episode IV ( the first one put out), then go
> >to Christina Young's web page, and get back to me if there are still any
> >questions..
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: christi5@ix*.ne*.co* [mailto:christi5@ix*.ne*.co*]
> >Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 3:45 PM
> >To: Capt JT
> >Cc: christi5@ix*.ne*.co*; techdiver@aquanaut.com;
> >captjt@mi*.ne*
> >Subject: RE: FW: Survey of NE DiveBoats re: GUE acceptance.
> >
> >
> >Hi Capt,
> >I'm not sure how you can say that medical issues weren't issues at hand
>that
> >had a major contributing factor in the deaths.  As recently as the one last
> >week shows, it was a heart attack on the surface that happened.  And three
> >of
> >the five Doria deaths.  Four of those last six deaths would have not taken
> >place if the deceased had been in better medical shape.
> >
> >My questions still remain unanswered.  As the boat captain, what specific
> >things should he do or require of the divers on these trips?  What criteria
> >should disqualify a diver or group from being accepted on these types of
> >dives, period?
> >
> >Cheers, Christina
> >www.christinayoung.com
> >
> >On Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:23:48 -0400 Capt JT <captjt@mi*.co*> wrote:
> >
> >
> > >  What level of
> > >screening should / can the captain be responsible for???  What level
>should
> > >the groups chartering be responsible for?  Already the Seeker requires
> >medical
> > >
> > >information, more than the Miss Lindsey ever asked me for.  Can they be
> > >responsible if people lie about that, or should they have an EKG machine
> >and
> >a
> > >
> > >nurse taking your collesterol reading at the boat?
> >
> >These are not the issues at hand and bare little in the deaths of the
> >divers.
> >
> >
> > >  You yourself have said in the past that they run a good
> > >operation (requires you to fill out a dive plan, have a boat that is
> >superbly
> >
> > >outfitted for those kinds of trips, etc etc etc).
> >
> >Yes, I said this.
> >
> > >  Now you are saying that his
> > >
> > >operations needs to be updated, as well as his clientele.  Can you
> >elaborate
> > >on this?  What specific items need updating and how, and how should he go
> > >about "updating his clientele"?
> >
> >This is a hard thing to do, I did it when I took on the deepest trips the
> >Miss Lindsey runs. In the past they had many close incidents. Even a death
> >or 2.
> >As long as you let divers do as they please, things will happen, as long as
> >you let instructors, Trimix cards, and friends be your shield things will
> >happen.
> >
> >When I began telling the truth of what divers did on our trips, they
> >stopped coming if they were unwilling to change. You cannot dive to the
> >deeper depths thinking you can leave your buddy, cut corners, have total
> >faith in your RB without a back up plan, only care if the diver is not back
> >on time ect........ ect.........
> >
> >Even now, when the boat is chartered by some, they ask I not be one of the
> >Captains.........so they can do as they please, no one to tell what really
> >happens.
> >
> >Everything that needs changing with the Seeker is within Danny himself, the
> >way divers look at the dive will change because of him and no one else. As
> >long as he does nothing on his present course divers will die, he must step
> >up and say this is what you must do.........Let him get on a list or post
> >photos on a site about the 3 going up the wrong line after they were told
> >not to, and not tieing off, but drifting away, bash their ass, see if it
> >happens again, do nothing and it will.............
> >
> >
> > >Cheers, and I hope you can come up soon and dive,
> > >Christina
> > >www.christinayoung.com
> > >
> > >At Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:05:40 -0400 Capt JT wrote:
> > >
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> > >
> > >Trey, I could give a shit what you or the other guy says, I checked with
> > >the CG......... TODAY....... to be sure I was correct. I only must walk
> > >300ft from my office to the USCG Marine Safety Office where I work, they
> > >are stationed inside the shipyard I am employed at......... They handle
>all
> > >of the inspections for the SPV in this area.......... I discussed the
> > >procedure for over an hour with them. Then I called and talked to the
> > >pilots again in EC, NC......got the same answers they gave me at the
>safety
> > >seminar.
> > >
> > >Sure Danny sucks shit for lieing, everyone who lies does......... Sure he
> > >has the worst track record for deaths........You are the last person I
>want
> > >to butt heads with, but I will not lie or change the facts of any event
>to
> > >suit personal agendas.
> > >Clearly his dive operation needs to be updated as well as some of his
> > >clientele.
> > >
> > >There are 2 kinds of Captains, those that have already had an accident
>and
> > >those that are about to. I have done everything possible to keep the
>trips
> > >I'm on safe, but that does not ensure it will not happen. Must I endure
>the
> > >same crap on these list if it happens to me and nothing I did was
> > >wrong..........is that what you plan for me.
> > >
> > >The CG does not know jack shit about diving....... they know about boat
> > >handling ect.......they rule over us Captains, cut and dry.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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