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--=====================_1673401==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I'm a pragmatist - you're a dumbass. How's that Terry?!? Jim At 06:12 PM 11/9/2001 -0800, terry michael wrote: >Tankboots are necessary for pool dives. As for rationalizing selling or >stocking inferior dive equipment "products" being "OK" to make a buck. >That's complete stroke bullshit in my opinion. I'd personally rather find >another line of work then betray principles that I believe in. > >-----Original Message----- >From: "Gertje"<gert.je@wo*.nl*> >To: ScottBonis@ao*.co*, jimholcomb@x-*.co*, techdiver@aquanaut.com, >cavers@ca*.co*, quest@gu*.co* >Date: Fri Nov 09 03:19:59 PST 2001 >Subject: Re: [cavers] RE: GI and SS to Merge > > >Scott, > > > >Never been at Brownies, have you? > >[they even sell tankboots!!!!!!!! ;-) ] > >If there is ONE shop that's supposed to DIR, it's them. Two GUE-instructors > >behind the counter, several GUE courses a year given. And EVEN THEY have to > >sell strokegear to keep paying the bills. > >DIR won't feed you, cashflow does! > >By selling the shit and making money out of it, they can develop new > >DIR-gear and keep our show on the road. > >They only can ADVISE the people that come in, to DIR. > > > >If you go to a hardwarestore for a tool, and they only sell a brand you have > >never heard of, and looks 'strangely differend' from the tool you learned to > >work with in class, what would YOU do? I would go to another shop that gives > >me a choice. I MIGHT buy the 'strange' looking tool, but only after I had a > >chance to listen to the salesrep. and compare. > > > >Gertjan > >[the Netherlands] > > > >> Hi Jim, > >> > >> I am sending this message to three separate lists as your message, to > >which I > >> am replying, was sent to these three same lists. > >> > >> Jim, I guess that your message explains a major portion of the difference > >> between you and me. You see I could never supply gear to anyone that I > >> thought was not the proper gear for that person to be using in any given > >> situation. > >> > >> Your boast of << I sold tons of bullshit stroke gear ... <snip> ... folks > >> have got to sell stuff to pay the bills. You going to make my house > >payment > >> while I sit on my ass and be a purist? >> , and the rest of your message > >> indicating to me that you knew that what you were selling was not > >acceptable > >> gear at the time you sold it, is so repulsive that I find it hard to > >contain > >> my disgust for your actions. It is people like you, using the excuse that > >"I > >> need to make a living," that are a detriment to the scuba diving industry > >and > >> IMHO, just possibly the cause of various scuba accidents. "Farm animal > >> stupid" is too kind for you because you knew that what you were doing was > >> wrong at the time you were doing it. Make a living some other way, but > >not > >> by knowingly placing divers in potentially unacceptably dangerous > >> predicaments. > >> > >> To me, there is no reason to ever supply a diver with unacceptable > >equipment > >> for him or her to use in any given situation. Either supply acceptable > >gear > >> or inform the diver that the proposed diving cannot be accomplished safely > >> with the other gear that you have presently for sale. And then offer to > >help > >> get (special order, alternate supplier, more expensive initially but > >second > >> hand, etc.) alternative acceptable gear to satisfy the diver's needs. > >This > >> is known as professionalism and any other course of action is, IMHO > >grossly > >> irresponsible if not downright criminal. > >> > >> I am certainly glad that your message is in the past tense << ... until a > >> couple weeks ago, I ran a dive shop in Atlanta. >>, as I'd rather not need > >to > >> think about your still supplying unacceptable equipment to divers. > >> > >> And you profess to support the DIR philosophy??? Is that "use acceptable > >> equipment unless that doesn't sell and then Jim Holcomb can make a little > >> more money by having someone buy unacceptable equipment"? Just whom do > >you > >> think you're kidding? > >> > >> But then, this is just one instructor's opinion. > >> > >> Take care and dive safe, Scott > >> > >> Some weeks it's just not worth the effort to gnaw through the restraints > >and > >> scramble up out of the pit. > >> > >> > >> > >> In a message dated 11/7/01 7:59:18 PM, jimholcomb@x-*.co* writes: > >> > >> << Well, in a fucked up kind of way, I agree. But wouldn't it be a whole > >lot > >> more hypocritical to sell a stroke "stroke" gear. Up until a couple weeks > >> ago, I ran a dive shop in Atlanta. I sold tons of bullshit stroke gear to > >> folks. If you got to sell something to somebody to pay the bills it would > >> probably be better to sell them gear oriented toward the DIR philosophy as > >> opposed to some of that shit I sold. My point being, folks have got to > >> sell stuff to pay the bills. You going to make my house payment while I > >sit > >> on my ass and be a purist? Better to sell DIR stuff to strokes than stroke > >> shit to strokes. Make any sense????? > >> > >> Jim Holcomb >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: quest-unsubscribe@gu*.co* > >> For additional commands, e-mail: quest-help@gu*.co* > >> > >> > > > >-- > >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > >___________________________________________________ >GO.com Mail >Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com Jim Holcomb <http://www.x-divers.com/>x-divers.<http://www.x-divers.com/>com --=====================_1673401==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" <html> I'm a pragmatist - you're a dumbass. How's that Terry?!?<br><br> Jim<br><br> <br> At 06:12 PM 11/9/2001 -0800, terry michael wrote:<br> <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>Tankboots are necessary for pool dives. As for rationalizing selling or stocking inferior dive equipment "products" being "OK" to make a buck. That's complete stroke bullshit in my opinion. I'd personally rather find another line of work then betray principles that I believe in.<br><br> -----Original Message-----<br> From: "Gertje"<gert.je@wo*.nl*><br> To: ScottBonis@ao*.co*, jimholcomb@x-*.co*, techdiver@aquanaut.com, cavers@ca*.co*, quest@gu*.co*<br> Date: Fri Nov 09 03:19:59 PST 2001<br> Subject: Re: [cavers] RE: GI and SS to Merge<br><br> >Scott,<br> ><br> >Never been at Brownies, have you?<br> >[they even sell tankboots!!!!!!!! ;-) ]<br> >If there is ONE shop that's supposed to DIR, it's them. Two GUE-instructors<br> >behind the counter, several GUE courses a year given. And EVEN THEY have to<br> >sell strokegear to keep paying the bills.<br> >DIR won't feed you, cashflow does!<br> >By selling the shit and making money out of it, they can develop new<br> >DIR-gear and keep our show on the road.<br> >They only can ADVISE the people that come in, to DIR.<br> ><br> >If you go to a hardwarestore for a tool, and they only sell a brand you have<br> >never heard of, and looks 'strangely differend' from the tool you learned to<br> >work with in class, what would YOU do? I would go to another shop that gives<br> >me a choice. I MIGHT buy the 'strange' looking tool, but only after I had a<br> >chance to listen to the salesrep. and compare.<br> ><br> >Gertjan<br> >[the Netherlands]<br> ><br> >> Hi Jim,<br> >><br> >> I am sending this message to three separate lists as your message, to<br> >which I<br> >> am replying, was sent to these three same lists.<br> >><br> >> Jim, I guess that your message explains a major portion of the difference<br> >> between you and me. You see I could never supply gear to anyone that I<br> >> thought was not the proper gear for that person to be using in any given<br> >> situation.<br> >><br> >> Your boast of << I sold tons of bullshit stroke gear ... <snip> ... folks<br> >> have got to sell stuff to pay the bills. You going to make my house<br> >payment<br> >> while I sit on my ass and be a purist? >> , and the rest of your message<br> >> indicating to me that you knew that what you were selling was not<br> >acceptable<br> >> gear at the time you sold it, is so repulsive that I find it hard to<br> >contain<br> >> my disgust for your actions. It is people like you, using the excuse that<br> >"I<br> >> need to make a living," that are a detriment to the scuba diving industry<br> >and<br> >> IMHO, just possibly the cause of various scuba accidents. "Farm animal<br> >> stupid" is too kind for you because you knew that what you were doing was<br> >> wrong at the time you were doing it. Make a living some other way, but<br> >not<br> >> by knowingly placing divers in potentially unacceptably dangerous<br> >> predicaments.<br> >><br> >> To me, there is no reason to ever supply a diver with unacceptable<br> >equipment<br> >> for him or her to use in any given situation. Either supply acceptable<br> >gear<br> >> or inform the diver that the proposed diving cannot be accomplished safely<br> >> with the other gear that you have presently for sale. And then offer to<br> >help<br> >> get (special order, alternate supplier, more expensive initially but<br> >second<br> >> hand, etc.) alternative acceptable gear to satisfy the diver's needs.<br> >This<br> >> is known as professionalism and any other course of action is, IMHO<br> >grossly<br> >> irresponsible if not downright criminal.<br> >><br> >> I am certainly glad that your message is in the past tense << ... until a<br> >> couple weeks ago, I ran a dive shop in Atlanta. >>, as I'd rather not need<br> >to<br> >> think about your still supplying unacceptable equipment to divers.<br> >><br> >> And you profess to support the DIR philosophy??? Is that "use acceptable<br> >> equipment unless that doesn't sell and then Jim Holcomb can make a little<br> >> more money by having someone buy unacceptable equipment"? Just whom do<br> >you<br> >> think you're kidding?<br> >><br> >> But then, this is just one instructor's opinion.<br> >><br> >> Take care and dive safe, Scott<br> >><br> >> Some weeks it's just not worth the effort to gnaw through the restraints<br> >and<br> >> scramble up out of the pit.<br> >><br> >><br> >><br> >> In a message dated 11/7/01 7:59:18 PM, jimholcomb@x-*.co* writes:<br> >><br> >> << Well, in a fucked up kind of way, I agree. But wouldn't it be a whole<br> >lot<br> >> more hypocritical to sell a stroke "stroke" gear. Up until a couple weeks<br> >> ago, I ran a dive shop in Atlanta. I sold tons of bullshit stroke gear to<br> >> folks. If you got to sell something to somebody to pay the bills it would<br> >> probably be better to sell them gear oriented toward the DIR philosophy as<br> >> opposed to some of that shit I sold. My point being, folks have got to<br> >> sell stuff to pay the bills. You going to make my house payment while I<br> >sit<br> >> on my ass and be a purist? Better to sell DIR stuff to strokes than stroke<br> >> shit to strokes. Make any sense?????<br> >><br> >> Jim Holcomb >><br> >><br> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------<br> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: quest-unsubscribe@gu*.co*<br> >> For additional commands, e-mail: quest-help@gu*.co*<br> >><br> >><br> ><br> >--<br> >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'.<br> >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.<br><br> <br> ___________________________________________________<br> GO.com Mail &nbs p; <br> Get Your Free, Private E-mail at <a href="http://mail.go.com/" eudora="autourl">http://mail.go.com</a></blockquote> <x-sigsep><p></x-sigsep> <br> <font face="Berlin Sans FB"><b><i>Jim Holcomb<br> <a href="http://www.x-divers.com/">x-divers.</a><a href="http://www.x-divers.com/">com</a></font></b></i></html> --=====================_1673401==_.ALT-- -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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