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OK, except for the logic part. -----Original Message----- From: "John Nelson"<jsncpa@ya*.co*> To: "terry michael"<OEA51@go*.co*>, "Gertje"<gert.je@wo*.nl*>, ScottBonis@ao*.co*, jimholcomb@x-*.co*, techdiver@aquanaut.com, cavers@ca*.co*, quest@gu*.co* Date: Fri Nov 09 23:29:01 PST 2001 Subject: Re: [cavers] RE: GI and SS to Merge >Terry, if you're truly seeking another line of work, I >would avoid the following areas: English grammar, >English punctuation, English spelling, and logic (any >language). > >--- terry michael <OEA51@go*.co*> wrote: >> Tankboots are necessary for pool dives. As for >> rationalizing selling or stocking inferior dive >> equipment "products" being "OK" to make a buck. >> That's complete stroke bullshit in my opinion. I'd >> personally rather find another line of work then >> betray principles that I believe in. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: "Gertje"<gert.je@wo*.nl*> >> To: ScottBonis@ao*.co*, jimholcomb@x-*.co*, >> techdiver@aquanaut.com, cavers@ca*.co*, >> quest@gu*.co* >> Date: Fri Nov 09 03:19:59 PST 2001 >> Subject: Re: [cavers] RE: GI and SS to Merge >> >> >Scott, >> > >> >Never been at Brownies, have you? >> >[they even sell tankboots!!!!!!!! ;-) ] >> >If there is ONE shop that's supposed to DIR, it's >> them. Two GUE-instructors >> >behind the counter, several GUE courses a year >> given. And EVEN THEY have to >> >sell strokegear to keep paying the bills. >> >DIR won't feed you, cashflow does! >> >By selling the shit and making money out of it, >> they can develop new >> >DIR-gear and keep our show on the road. >> >They only can ADVISE the people that come in, to >> DIR. >> > >> >If you go to a hardwarestore for a tool, and they >> only sell a brand you have >> >never heard of, and looks 'strangely differend' >> from the tool you learned to >> >work with in class, what would YOU do? I would go >> to another shop that gives >> >me a choice. I MIGHT buy the 'strange' looking >> tool, but only after I had a >> >chance to listen to the salesrep. and compare. >> > >> >Gertjan >> >[the Netherlands] >> > >> >> Hi Jim, >> >> >> >> I am sending this message to three separate lists >> as your message, to >> >which I >> >> am replying, was sent to these three same lists. >> >> >> >> Jim, I guess that your message explains a major >> portion of the difference >> >> between you and me. You see I could never supply >> gear to anyone that I >> >> thought was not the proper gear for that person >> to be using in any given >> >> situation. >> >> >> >> Your boast of << I sold tons of bullshit stroke >> gear ... <snip> ... folks >> >> have got to sell stuff to pay the bills. You >> going to make my house >> >payment >> >> while I sit on my ass and be a purist? >> , and >> the rest of your message >> >> indicating to me that you knew that what you were >> selling was not >> >acceptable >> >> gear at the time you sold it, is so repulsive >> that I find it hard to >> >contain >> >> my disgust for your actions. It is people like >> you, using the excuse that >> >"I >> >> need to make a living," that are a detriment to >> the scuba diving industry >> >and >> >> IMHO, just possibly the cause of various scuba >> accidents. "Farm animal >> >> stupid" is too kind for you because you knew that >> what you were doing was >> >> wrong at the time you were doing it. Make a >> living some other way, but >> >not >> >> by knowingly placing divers in potentially >> unacceptably dangerous >> >> predicaments. >> >> >> >> To me, there is no reason to ever supply a diver >> with unacceptable >> >equipment >> >> for him or her to use in any given situation. >> Either supply acceptable >> >gear >> >> or inform the diver that the proposed diving >> cannot be accomplished safely >> >> with the other gear that you have presently for >> sale. And then offer to >> >help >> >> get (special order, alternate supplier, more >> expensive initially but >> >second >> >> hand, etc.) alternative acceptable gear to >> satisfy the diver's needs. >> >This >> >> is known as professionalism and any other course >> of action is, IMHO >> >grossly >> >> irresponsible if not downright criminal. >> >> >> >> I am certainly glad that your message is in the >> past tense << ... until a >> >> couple weeks ago, I ran a dive shop in Atlanta. >> >>, as I'd rather not need >> >to >> >> think about your still supplying unacceptable >> equipment to divers. >> >> >> >> And you profess to support the DIR philosophy??? >> Is that "use acceptable >> >> equipment unless that doesn't sell and then Jim >> Holcomb can make a little >> >> more money by having someone buy unacceptable >> equipment"? Just whom do >> >you >> >> think you're kidding? >> >> >> >> But then, this is just one instructor's opinion. >> >> >> >> Take care and dive safe, Scott >> >> >> >> Some weeks it's just not worth the effort to gnaw >> through the restraints >> >and >> >> scramble up out of the pit. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> In a message dated 11/7/01 7:59:18 PM, >> jimholcomb@x-*.co* writes: >> >> >> >> << Well, in a fucked up kind of way, I agree. But >> wouldn't it be a whole >> >lot >> >> more hypocritical to sell a stroke "stroke" gear. >> Up until a couple weeks >> >> ago, I ran a dive shop in Atlanta. I sold tons >> of bullshit stroke gear to >> >> folks. If you got to sell something to somebody >> to pay the bills it would >> >> probably be better to sell them gear oriented >> toward the DIR philosophy as >> >> opposed to some of that shit I sold. My point >> being, folks have got to >> >> sell stuff to pay the bills. You going to make my >> house payment while I >> >sit >> >> on my ass and be a purist? Better to sell DIR >> stuff to strokes than stroke >> >> shit to strokes. Make any sense????? >> >> >> >> Jim Holcomb >> >> >> >> >> >> >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: quest-unsubscribe@gu*.co* >> >> For additional commands, e-mail: >> quest-help@gu*.co* >> >> >> >> >> > >> >-- >> >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to >> `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >> >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to >> `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. >> >> >> ___________________________________________________ >> GO.com Mail >> Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com >> >> >> >> >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: quest-unsubscribe@gu*.co* >> For additional commands, e-mail: quest-help@gu*.co* >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Find a job, post your resume. >http://careers.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________ GO.com Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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