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Tankboots are necessary for pool dives. As for rationalizing selling or stocking inferior dive equipment "products" being "OK" to make a buck. That's complete stroke bullshit in my opinion. I'd personally rather find another line of work then betray principles that I believe in. -----Original Message----- From: "Gertje"<gert.je@wo*.nl*> To: ScottBonis@ao*.co*, jimholcomb@x-*.co*, techdiver@aquanaut.com, cavers@ca*.co*, quest@gu*.co* Date: Fri Nov 09 03:19:59 PST 2001 Subject: Re: [cavers] RE: GI and SS to Merge >Scott, > >Never been at Brownies, have you? >[they even sell tankboots!!!!!!!! ;-) ] >If there is ONE shop that's supposed to DIR, it's them. Two GUE-instructors >behind the counter, several GUE courses a year given. And EVEN THEY have to >sell strokegear to keep paying the bills. >DIR won't feed you, cashflow does! >By selling the shit and making money out of it, they can develop new >DIR-gear and keep our show on the road. >They only can ADVISE the people that come in, to DIR. > >If you go to a hardwarestore for a tool, and they only sell a brand you have >never heard of, and looks 'strangely differend' from the tool you learned to >work with in class, what would YOU do? I would go to another shop that gives >me a choice. I MIGHT buy the 'strange' looking tool, but only after I had a >chance to listen to the salesrep. and compare. > >Gertjan >[the Netherlands] > >> Hi Jim, >> >> I am sending this message to three separate lists as your message, to >which I >> am replying, was sent to these three same lists. >> >> Jim, I guess that your message explains a major portion of the difference >> between you and me. You see I could never supply gear to anyone that I >> thought was not the proper gear for that person to be using in any given >> situation. >> >> Your boast of << I sold tons of bullshit stroke gear ... <snip> ... folks >> have got to sell stuff to pay the bills. You going to make my house >payment >> while I sit on my ass and be a purist? >> , and the rest of your message >> indicating to me that you knew that what you were selling was not >acceptable >> gear at the time you sold it, is so repulsive that I find it hard to >contain >> my disgust for your actions. It is people like you, using the excuse that >"I >> need to make a living," that are a detriment to the scuba diving industry >and >> IMHO, just possibly the cause of various scuba accidents. "Farm animal >> stupid" is too kind for you because you knew that what you were doing was >> wrong at the time you were doing it. Make a living some other way, but >not >> by knowingly placing divers in potentially unacceptably dangerous >> predicaments. >> >> To me, there is no reason to ever supply a diver with unacceptable >equipment >> for him or her to use in any given situation. Either supply acceptable >gear >> or inform the diver that the proposed diving cannot be accomplished safely >> with the other gear that you have presently for sale. And then offer to >help >> get (special order, alternate supplier, more expensive initially but >second >> hand, etc.) alternative acceptable gear to satisfy the diver's needs. >This >> is known as professionalism and any other course of action is, IMHO >grossly >> irresponsible if not downright criminal. >> >> I am certainly glad that your message is in the past tense << ... until a >> couple weeks ago, I ran a dive shop in Atlanta. >>, as I'd rather not need >to >> think about your still supplying unacceptable equipment to divers. >> >> And you profess to support the DIR philosophy??? Is that "use acceptable >> equipment unless that doesn't sell and then Jim Holcomb can make a little >> more money by having someone buy unacceptable equipment"? Just whom do >you >> think you're kidding? >> >> But then, this is just one instructor's opinion. >> >> Take care and dive safe, Scott >> >> Some weeks it's just not worth the effort to gnaw through the restraints >and >> scramble up out of the pit. >> >> >> >> In a message dated 11/7/01 7:59:18 PM, jimholcomb@x-*.co* writes: >> >> << Well, in a fucked up kind of way, I agree. But wouldn't it be a whole >lot >> more hypocritical to sell a stroke "stroke" gear. Up until a couple weeks >> ago, I ran a dive shop in Atlanta. I sold tons of bullshit stroke gear to >> folks. If you got to sell something to somebody to pay the bills it would >> probably be better to sell them gear oriented toward the DIR philosophy as >> opposed to some of that shit I sold. My point being, folks have got to >> sell stuff to pay the bills. You going to make my house payment while I >sit >> on my ass and be a purist? Better to sell DIR stuff to strokes than stroke >> shit to strokes. Make any sense????? >> >> Jim Holcomb >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: quest-unsubscribe@gu*.co* >> For additional commands, e-mail: quest-help@gu*.co* >> >> > >-- >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. ___________________________________________________ GO.com Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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