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--=====================_12887292==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Trey, I would think you are doing the correct thing with some guys. I would also think JJ is the one who also gets the training out. We both know that there are those with visions of becoming part of some great dive team and being part of a memorable dive exploration, but not everyone is suited for the deep stuff or the stupid extreme stuff. The measure of experience is often held in the words "I don't want to do that or it is beyond my abilities". I have had the pleasure of diving with a many number of people, JJ and you included. I also have dived with many divers who have had training with GUE, Tom Sawicki is a prime example of the training at the best. Others with the same training I hate to see come to the boat, that is because they still do not get it and never will no matter who trains them. The drive to the boat for many is the risk , not the dive. We lost Don Mason to a car wreck while he was driving to a dive boat, many others have had a close call on the road. I often tell things that happen on my dives and there are those who try to use that against me because they have nothing else to use. I survive those dives because it is ME, I pass on any useful info that comes from the dive. That is experience, something that takes time. At 07:36 AM 9/30/01 -0400, Trey wrote: >JT, I only hope I can get the good material past the point of experience . >The grim reality of what we do is the most people end up not wanting to do >it. In the WKPP we can generally get the experience across without near >death circumstances, but the problem is that anyone smart enough to do it >to this extreme and not get killed is smart enough to know how stupid it >is in the first place, and they then generally give me the , "Chief, I >only want to do... ( this or that )" talk. Others think they want to dive >with me and JJ until they try it. My style is to make sure they have it >right and then ease them into it with all good experiences, and tell them >stories of the bad times to prevent them from having any. > >I got lucky, I lived long enough doing this stuff with Gavin to get past >the screwups and the concerns. A big part of not being concerned is that >we now do everything my way and JJ's way, so there is only the lightning >strikes and shark bites to worry about, so to speak. > >You know you have made it in the WKPP when you drive up I-75 and I-10 for >the 500 mile course rather than US 27 and 19/98 for the 454 mile course so >that you don't get killed in your car by some dumb drunken goober . My two >biggest fears in diving now are 1) missing the dive, and 2) not making it >to the dive. My subconscious fear is missing dinner or having the cave >shut down while Michael and Reinhard are diving Doux de Coly. >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*] >>Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 9:07 PM >>To: Trey; techdiver@aquanaut.com >>Subject: RE: buddy teams, was Re: Death of Eric Reichardt, 9/16/01 >> >>Trey, keep working on him, there is hope.....he stills lacks the >>experience to back up his post. >> >>At 07:35 AM 9/22/01 -0400, Trey wrote: >>>JT et al, my guys think Dwayne will be one of our better assets so they >>>are giving him their full training attention. From my perspective, he >>>has the right raw material, and is the kind of person we need more of on >>>our team and elsewhere. >>> >>>We all learn someplace, and I' won't even bet you , I will tell you , >>>there is no better place to learn than the WKPP. >>> >>>I like guys who know the importance and value of life , know what the >>>term "teamwork" means, and know how important that is to staying alive >>>when you play for real like we do, or when you play at it like the >>>pretenders he is commenting on. >>> >>>Unfortunately, there are strokes out there like Pizzio and his dead >>>comrade whose actions are so obviously stupid and unthinking that one >>>does not need to even know about diving to see that. There are also >>>people out there who set the worst possible example and then play tough >>>guy like Pizzio, the great FBI agent who acts more like the Lone Ranger. >>>Hopefully that is not how he conducts his job, or maybe that explains a >>>lot about why we got surprised by Osama if the rest of his agency >>>operates with his "every man for himself" attitude. I guarantee that in >>>the Marine Corp they don't act like Pizzio, and it is no accident >>>that Marine can spot this kind of bullshit. >>> >>>Read Pizzio and read Dwayne, and tell me who you want covering you back, >>>and who you want on your team. It looks like Pizzio has had one too many >>>dives and so ( obviously ) has Reichart. >>> >>>Again, solo diving with a rebreather is the dumbest fucking thing I have >>>ever head of, and I am not even remotely interested in the opinion of >>>anyone stupid enough to do it or condone it, and I am sure sick of >>>listening to the accident reports from the rest of the strokes who keep >>>doing it over and over. >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Duane Liptak Jr. [mailto:dliptakjr@ea*.ne*] >>>Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 9:18 PM >>>To: Scott Hunsucker; Capt JT; techdiver@aquanaut.com >>>Subject: Re: buddy teams, was Re: Death of Eric Reichardt, 9/16/01 >>> >>>JT, I'm terribly sorry that you feel so threatened by little old >>>me. Just go off in your little corner and keep repeating the "I'm the >>>greatest diver that ever lived" mantra that you seem so fond of. It >>>must be that when your bullshit meanderings don't fly, you feel >>>compelled to attack the messenger for lack of the ability to post a >>>substantive rebuttal. >>> >Well gee, I don't know which one to really address here, I got Duane >>> >Lipdick "from weenie diver to expert techdiver in 6 months " or Scott >>> >Nutsucker "I dove with him and his dick feels as hard as a rock". >>>Damn, JT... with last names like ours, do you think we've never heard >>>this schoolyard shit? Grow up. Or, at least come up with something a >>>little more original. >>> >in 6 months this guy has dived enough, while >>> >holding down a full time job, while also moving around, to dispense >>> how to >>> >and what went wrong information, >>>JT, I'm not going to waste my time pontificating on my greatness and my >>>abilities, as you are so apt to do. Everything I post is based on what >>>I have done--not what I've heard, not what I've read, and not what I >>>theorize. I have never posted anything that hasn't come from my direct >>>experience, as limited as you think it is. If you can find fault in >>>anything I've said, argue the content. As I said before, I've had a >>>unique opportunity to dive with and learn from the pros, mainly because >>>I'm willing to listen to what works instead of proclaiming my own >>>greatness. If I can pass on any knowledge I've gained in the spirit it >>>was given to me, then I am happy. I have a simple system for just >>>about everything I do. Find out what works, practice relentlessly, and >>>never become complacent. If you put half as much effort into your whole >>>life as I put into just my hobbies, maybe you could afford a decent haircut. >>> >Let me guess, he's a >>> >Navy Seal too. >>>No, I would never subject myself to Navy dive training. I'm a plain, >>>regular, United States Marine. I was an enlisted grunt for a while, and >>>now I fly. I only bring that up because the Marine Corps lets me fly >>>aircraft with engines that cost more than most people's houses, and they >>>let me do it with far fewer flights than I have logged dives. It's >>>amazing what proper training and hard work can do when applied within a >>>framework of tested and proven methods. >>> > What a fucking joke..... Better make sure his checks cash >>> >before he does a real dive. >>>Here's where the real beauty of my situation comes in, JT. I learned to >>>dive from people who are my friends and teammates, and were willing to >>>devote unbelievable amounts of time and effort to my betterment. All I >>>have ever been asked for in return is my friendship and a little >>>well-deserved loyalty. There are no checks to cash. I have been >>>taught, trained, and tested by people who care about me and about my >>>skill development. If you were taught, way back before you were such a >>>dive stud, by people who did it for the cash, then I'm sorry. You got >>>fucked. >>>I'll be awaiting your triumphant return from your trip with bated breath. >>>Sincerely, >>>1stLt DL >>> >>> >>>"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in >>>the water" >>>Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more >>> Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/ >>>Email captjt@mi*.co* > >"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in >the water" >Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more > Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/ >Email captjt@mi*.co* > --=====================_12887292==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" <html> Trey, I would think you are doing the correct thing with some guys. I would also think JJ is the one who also gets the training out. We both know that there are those with visions of becoming part of some great dive team and being part of a memorable dive exploration, but not everyone is suited for the deep stuff or the stupid extreme stuff. The measure of experience is often held in the words "I don't want to do that or it is beyond my abilities".<br> I have had the pleasure of diving with a many number of people, JJ and you included. I also have dived with many divers who have had training with GUE, Tom Sawicki is a prime example of the training at the best. Others with the same training I hate to see come to the boat, that is because they still do not get it and never will no matter who trains them. <br> <br> The drive to the boat for many is the risk , not the dive. We lost Don Mason to a car wreck while he was driving to a dive boat, many others have had a close call on the road. <br> <br> I often tell things that happen on my dives and there are those who try to use that against me because they have nothing else to use. I survive those dives because it is ME, I pass on any useful info that comes from the dive. That is experience, something that takes time. <br> <br> At 07:36 AM 9/30/01 -0400, Trey wrote:<br> <font face="arial" size=2 color="#0000FF"><blockquote type=cite cite>JT, I only hope I can get the good material past the point of experience . The grim reality of what we do is the most people end up not wanting to do it. In the WKPP we can generally get the experience across without near death circumstances, but the problem is that anyone smart enough to do it to this extreme and not get killed is smart enough to know how stupid it is in the first place, and they then generally give me the , "Chief, I only want to do... ( this or that )" talk. Others think they want to dive with me and JJ until they try it. My style is to make sure they have it right and then ease them into it with all good experiences, and tell them stories of the bad times to prevent them from having any.</font><br> <br> <font face="arial" size=2 color="#0000FF">I got lucky, I lived long enough doing this stuff with Gavin to get past the screwups and the concerns. A big part of not being concerned is that we now do everything my way and JJ's way, so there is only the lightning strikes and shark bites to worry about, so to speak.</font><br> <br> <font face="arial" size=2 color="#0000FF">You know you have made it in the WKPP when you drive up I-75 and I-10 for the 500 mile course rather than US 27 and 19/98 for the 454 mile course so that you don't get killed in your car by some dumb drunken goober . My two biggest fears in diving now are 1) missing the dive, and 2) not making it to the dive. My subconscious fear is missing dinner or having the cave shut down while Michael and Reinhard are diving Doux de Coly.</font><blockquote><font face="tahoma" size=2> <dl> <dd>-----Original Message----- <dd>From:</b> Capt JT [<a href="mailto:captjt@mi*.co*" eudora="autourl">mailto:captjt@mi*.co*</a>] <dd>Sent:</b> Saturday, September 29, 2001 9:07 PM <dd>To:</b> Trey; techdiver@aquanaut.com <dd>Subject:</b> RE: buddy teams, was Re: Death of Eric Reichardt, 9/16/01<br> <br> </font> <dd>Trey, keep working on him, there is hope.....he stills lacks the experience to back up his post.<br> <br> <dd>At 07:35 AM 9/22/01 -0400, Trey wrote:<blockquote type=cite cite><font face="arial" size=2 color="#0000FF"> <dd>JT et al, my guys think Dwayne will be one of our better assets so they are giving him their full training attention. From my perspective, he has the right raw material, and is the kind of person we need more of on our team and elsewhere.</font> <dd> <font face="arial" size=2 color="#0000FF"> <dd>We all learn someplace, and I' won't even bet you , I will tell you , there is no better place to learn than the WKPP.</font> <dd> <font face="arial" size=2 color="#0000FF"> <dd>I like guys who know the importance and value of life , know what the term "teamwork" means, and know how important that is to staying alive when you play for real like we do, or when you play at it like the pretenders he is commenting on.</font> <dd> <font face="arial" size=2 color="#0000FF"> <dd>Unfortunately, there are strokes out there like Pizzio and his dead comrade whose actions are so obviously stupid and unthinking that one does not need to even know about diving to see that. There are also people out there who set the worst possible example and then play tough guy like Pizzio, the great FBI agent who acts more like the Lone Ranger. Hopefully that is not how he conducts his job, or maybe that explains a lot about why we got surprised by Osama if the rest of his agency operates with his "every man for himself" attitude. I guarantee that in the Marine Corp they don't act like Pizzio, and it is no accident that Marine can spot this kind of bullshit. </font> <dd> <font face="arial" size=2 color="#0000FF"> <dd>Read Pizzio and read Dwayne, and tell me who you want covering you back, and who you want on your team. It looks like Pizzio has had one too many dives and so ( obviously ) has Reichart.</font> <dd> <font face="arial" size=2 color="#0000FF"> <dd>Again, solo diving with a rebreather is the dumbest fucking thing I have ever head of, and I am not even remotely interested in the opinion of anyone stupid enough to do it or condone it, and I am sure sick of listening to the accident reports from the rest of the strokes who keep doing it over and over.</font> <dd> <font face="tahoma" size=2> <dd>-----Original Message----- <dd>From: Duane Liptak Jr. [<a href="mailto:dliptakjr@ea*.ne*" eudora="autourl">mailto:dliptakjr@ea*.ne*</a>] <dd>Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 9:18 PM <dd>To: Scott Hunsucker; Capt JT; techdiver@aquanaut.com <dd>Subject: Re: buddy teams, was Re: Death of Eric Reichardt, 9/16/01<br> <br> </font> <dd>JT, I'm terribly sorry that you feel so threatened by little old me. Just go off in your little corner and keep repeating the "I'm the greatest diver that ever lived" mantra that you seem so fond of. It must be that when your bullshit meanderings don't fly, you feel compelled to attack the messenger for lack of the ability to post a substantive rebuttal. <dd>>Well gee, I don't know which one to really address here, I got Duane <dd>>Lipdick "from weenie diver to expert techdiver in 6 months " or Scott <dd>>Nutsucker "I dove with him and his dick feels as hard as a rock". <dd>Damn, JT... with last names like ours, do you think we've never heard this schoolyard shit? Grow up. Or, at least come up with something a little more original. <font size=2> <dd>>in 6 months this guy has dived enough, while <dd>>holding down a full time job, while also moving around, to dispense how to <dd>>and what went wrong information,</font> <dd>JT, I'm not going to waste my time pontificating on my greatness and my abilities, as you are so apt to do. Everything I post is based on what I have done--not what I've heard, not what I've read, and not what I theorize. I have never posted anything that hasn't come from my direct experience, as limited as you think it is. If you can find fault in anything I've said, argue the content. As I said before, I've had a unique opportunity to dive with and learn from the pros, mainly because I'm willing to listen to what works instead of proclaiming my own greatness. If I can pass on any knowledge I've gained in the spirit it was given to me, then I am happy. I have a simple system for just about everything I do. Find out what works, practice relentlessly, and never become complacent. If you put half as much effort into your whole life as I put into just my hobbies, maybe you could afford a decent haircut. <font size=2> <dd>>Let me guess, he's a <dd>>Navy Seal too.</font> <dd>No, I would never subject myself to Navy dive training. I'm a plain, regular, United States Marine. I was an enlisted grunt for a while, and now I fly. I only bring that up because the Marine Corps lets me fly aircraft with engines that cost more than most people's houses, and they let me do it with far fewer flights than I have logged dives. It's amazing what proper training and hard work can do when applied within a framework of tested and proven methods. <font size=2> <dd>> What a fucking joke..... Better make sure his checks cash <dd>>before he does a real dive.</font> <dd>Here's where the real beauty of my situation comes in, JT. I learned to dive from people who are my friends and teammates, and were willing to devote unbelievable amounts of time and effort to my betterment. All I have ever been asked for in return is my friendship and a little well-deserved loyalty. There are no checks to cash. I have been taught, trained, and tested by people who care about me and about my skill development. If you were taught, way back before you were such a dive stud, by people who did it for the cash, then I'm sorry. You got fucked. <dd>I'll be awaiting your triumphant return from your trip with bated breath. <dd>Sincerely, <dd>1stLt DL </dl><br> <br> "You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in the water"<br> <font color="#0000FF">Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more <br> Web Site <a href="http://www.capt-jt.com/" eudora="autourl">http://www.capt-jt.com/</a><br> Email captjt@mi*.co*<br> </font></u></blockquote></blockquote><br> "You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in the water"<br> <font color="#0000FF"><u>Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more <br> Web Site <a href="http://www.capt-jt.com/" eudora="autourl">http://www.capt-jt.com/</a><br> Email captjt@mi*.co*<br> <br> </font></u></html> --=====================_12887292==_.ALT-- -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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