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JT, I only hope I can get the good material past the point of experience .
The grim reality of what we do is the most people end up not wanting to do
it. In the WKPP we can generally get the experience across without near
death circumstances, but the problem is that anyone smart enough to do it to
this extreme and not get killed is smart enough to know how stupid it is in
the first place, and they then generally give me the , "Chief, I only want
to do... ( this or that )" talk. Others think they want to dive with me and
JJ until they try it. My style is to make sure they have it right and then
ease them into it with all good experiences, and tell them stories of the
bad times to prevent them from having any.
I got lucky, I lived long enough doing this stuff with Gavin to get past the
screwups and the concerns. A big part of not being concerned is that we now
do everything my way and JJ's way, so there is only the lightning strikes
and shark bites to worry about, so to speak.
You know you have made it in the WKPP when you drive up I-75 and I-10 for
the 500 mile course rather than US 27 and 19/98 for the 454 mile course so
that you don't get killed in your car by some dumb drunken goober . My two
biggest fears in diving now are 1) missing the dive, and 2) not making it to
the dive. My subconscious fear is missing dinner or having the cave shut
down while Michael and Reinhard are diving Doux de Coly.
-----Original Message-----
From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 9:07 PM
To: Trey; techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: RE: buddy teams, was Re: Death of Eric Reichardt, 9/16/01
Trey, keep working on him, there is hope.....he stills lacks the
experience to back up his post.
At 07:35 AM 9/22/01 -0400, Trey wrote:
JT et al, my guys think Dwayne will be one of our better assets so they
are giving him their full training attention. From my perspective, he has
the right raw material, and is the kind of person we need more of on our
team and elsewhere.
We all learn someplace, and I' won't even bet you , I will tell you ,
there is no better place to learn than the WKPP.
I like guys who know the importance and value of life , know what the
term "teamwork" means, and know how important that is to staying alive when
you play for real like we do, or when you play at it like the pretenders he
is commenting on.
Unfortunately, there are strokes out there like Pizzio and his dead
comrade whose actions are so obviously stupid and unthinking that one does
not need to even know about diving to see that. There are also people out
there who set the worst possible example and then play tough guy like
Pizzio, the great FBI agent who acts more like the Lone Ranger. Hopefully
that is not how he conducts his job, or maybe that explains a lot about why
we got surprised by Osama if the rest of his agency operates with his "every
man for himself" attitude. I guarantee that in the Marine Corp they don't
act like Pizzio, and it is no accident that Marine can spot this kind of
bullshit.
Read Pizzio and read Dwayne, and tell me who you want covering you back,
and who you want on your team. It looks like Pizzio has had one too many
dives and so ( obviously ) has Reichart.
Again, solo diving with a rebreather is the dumbest fucking thing I have
ever head of, and I am not even remotely interested in the opinion of anyone
stupid enough to do it or condone it, and I am sure sick of listening to the
accident reports from the rest of the strokes who keep doing it over and
over.
-----Original Message-----
From: Duane Liptak Jr. [mailto:dliptakjr@ea*.ne*]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 9:18 PM
To: Scott Hunsucker; Capt JT; techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: buddy teams, was Re: Death of Eric Reichardt, 9/16/01
JT, I'm terribly sorry that you feel so threatened by little old me.
Just go off in your little corner and keep repeating the "I'm the greatest
diver that ever lived" mantra that you seem so fond of. It must be that
when your bullshit meanderings don't fly, you feel compelled to attack the
messenger for lack of the ability to post a substantive rebuttal.
>Well gee, I don't know which one to really address here, I got
Duane
>Lipdick "from weenie diver to expert techdiver in 6 months " or
Scott
>Nutsucker "I dove with him and his dick feels as hard as a rock".
Damn, JT... with last names like ours, do you think we've never
heard this schoolyard shit? Grow up. Or, at least come up with something a
little more original.
>in 6 months this guy has dived enough, while
>holding down a full time job, while also moving around, to dispense
how to
>and what went wrong information,
JT, I'm not going to waste my time pontificating on my greatness and
my abilities, as you are so apt to do. Everything I post is based on what I
have done--not what I've heard, not what I've read, and not what I theorize.
I have never posted anything that hasn't come from my direct experience, as
limited as you think it is. If you can find fault in anything I've said,
argue the content. As I said before, I've had a unique opportunity to dive
with and learn from the pros, mainly because I'm willing to listen to what
works instead of proclaiming my own greatness. If I can pass on any
knowledge I've gained in the spirit it was given to me, then I am happy. I
have a simple system for just about everything I do. Find out what works,
practice relentlessly, and never become complacent. If you put half as much
effort into your whole life as I put into just my hobbies, maybe you could
afford a decent haircut.
>Let me guess, he's a
>Navy Seal too.
No, I would never subject myself to Navy dive training. I'm a
plain, regular, United States Marine. I was an enlisted grunt for a while,
and now I fly. I only bring that up because the Marine Corps lets me fly
aircraft with engines that cost more than most people's houses, and they let
me do it with far fewer flights than I have logged dives. It's amazing what
proper training and hard work can do when applied within a framework of
tested and proven methods.
> What a fucking joke..... Better make sure his checks cash
>before he does a real dive.
Here's where the real beauty of my situation comes in, JT. I
learned to dive from people who are my friends and teammates, and were
willing to devote unbelievable amounts of time and effort to my betterment.
All I have ever been asked for in return is my friendship and a little
well-deserved loyalty. There are no checks to cash. I have been taught,
trained, and tested by people who care about me and about my skill
development. If you were taught, way back before you were such a dive stud,
by people who did it for the cash, then I'm sorry. You got fucked.
I'll be awaiting your triumphant return from your trip with bated
breath.
Sincerely,
1stLt DL
"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in
the water"
Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more
Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/
Email captjt@mi*.co*
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size=3D2>JT, I=20
only hope I can get the good material past the point of experience . The =
grim=20
reality of what we do is the most people end up not wanting to do it. In =
the=20
WKPP we can generally get the experience across without near death=20
circumstances, but the problem is that anyone smart enough to do it to =
this=20
extreme and not get killed is smart enough to know how stupid it is in =
the first=20
place, and they then generally give me the , "Chief, I only want to =
do... ( this=20
or that )" talk. Others think they want to dive with me and JJ until =
they try=20
it. My style is to make sure they have it right and then ease them into =
it with=20
all good experiences, and tell them stories of the bad times to prevent =
them=20
from having any.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D899202511-30092001><FONT face=3DArial
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D899202511-30092001><FONT face=3DArial
color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>I got=20
lucky, I lived long enough doing this stuff with Gavin to get past the =
screwups=20
and the concerns. A big part of not being concerned is that we now do =
everything=20
my way and JJ's way, so there is only the lightning strikes and shark =
bites to=20
worry about, so to speak.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D899202511-30092001><FONT face=3DArial
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D899202511-30092001><FONT face=3DArial
color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>You=20
know you have made it in the WKPP when you drive up I-75 and I-10 for =
the 500=20
mile course rather than US 27 and 19/98 for the 454 mile course so that =
you=20
don't get killed in your car by some dumb drunken goober . My two =
biggest fears=20
in diving now are 1) missing the dive, and 2) not making it to the dive. =
My=20
subconscious fear is missing dinner or having the cave shut down while =
Michael=20
and Reinhard are diving Doux de Coly.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Capt JT=20
[mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, September 29, =
2001=20
9:07 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Trey;
techdiver@aquanaut.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> =
RE:=20
buddy teams, was Re: Death of Eric Reichardt,=20
9/16/01<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>Trey, keep working on him, there is =
hope.....he=20
stills lacks the experience to back up his post.<BR><BR>At 07:35 AM =
9/22/01=20
-0400, Trey wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite type=3D"cite"><BR><FONT face=3Darial
color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>JT et=20
al, my guys think Dwayne will be one of our better assets so they =
are giving=20
him their full training attention. From my perspective, he has the =
right raw=20
material, and is the kind of person we need more of on our team and=20
elsewhere.</FONT><BR> <BR><FONT face=3Darial
color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>We all=20
learn someplace, and I' won't even bet you , I will tell you , there =
is no=20
better place to learn than the WKPP.</FONT><BR> <BR><FONT =
face=3Darial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I like guys who know the importance and =
value of life ,=20
know what the term "teamwork" means, and know how important that is =
to=20
staying alive when you play for real like we do, or when you play at =
it like=20
the pretenders he is commenting on.</FONT><BR> <BR><FONT =
face=3Darial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Unfortunately, there are strokes out there =
like Pizzio=20
and his dead comrade whose actions are so obviously stupid and =
unthinking=20
that one does not need to even know about diving to see that. There =
are also=20
people out there who set the worst possible example and then play =
tough guy=20
like Pizzio, the great FBI agent who acts more like the Lone Ranger. =
Hopefully that is not how he conducts his job, or maybe that =
explains a lot=20
about why we got surprised by Osama if the rest of his agency =
operates with=20
his "every man for himself" attitude. I guarantee that in the =
Marine=20
Corp they don't act like Pizzio, and it is no accident that =
Marine can=20
spot this kind of bullshit. </FONT><BR> <BR><FONT
face=3Darial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Read Pizzio and read Dwayne, and tell me =
who you want=20
covering you back, and who you want on your team. It looks like =
Pizzio has=20
had one too many dives and so ( obviously ) has=20
Reichart.</FONT><BR> <BR><FONT face=3Darial
color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Again,=20
solo diving with a rebreather is the dumbest fucking thing I have =
ever head=20
of, and I am not even remotely interested in the opinion of anyone =
stupid=20
enough to do it or condone it, and I am sure sick of listening to =
the=20
accident reports from the rest of the strokes who keep doing it over =
and=20
over.</FONT><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT face=3Dtahoma size=3D2>
<DL>
<DD>-----Original Message-----=20
<DD>From:</B> Duane Liptak Jr. [<A =
href=3D"mailto:dliptakjr@ea*.ne*"=20
eudora=3D"autourl">mailto:dliptakjr@ea*.ne*</A>]=20
<DD>Sent:</B> Friday, September 21, 2001 9:18 PM=20
<DD>To:</B> Scott Hunsucker; Capt JT; techdiver@aquanaut.com=20
<DD>Subject:</B> Re: buddy teams, was Re: Death of Eric =
Reichardt,=20
9/16/01<BR><BR></FONT>
<DD>JT, I'm terribly sorry that you feel so threatened by little =
old=20
me. Just go off in your little corner and keep repeating =
the "I'm=20
the greatest diver that ever lived" mantra that you seem so fond =
of. It must be that when your bullshit meanderings don't =
fly, you=20
feel compelled to attack the messenger for lack of the ability =
to post a=20
substantive rebuttal. <FONT face=3Darial size=3D2>
<DD></FONT>=20
<DD>>Well gee, I don't know which one to really address here, =
I got=20
Duane=20
<DD>>Lipdick "from weenie diver to expert techdiver in 6 =
months " or=20
Scott=20
<DD>>Nutsucker "I dove with him and his dick feels as hard as =
a=20
rock".=20
<DD>=20
<DD>Damn, JT... with last names like ours, do you think we've =
never=20
heard this schoolyard shit? Grow up. Or, at least =
come up=20
with something a little more original.=20
<DD><FONT size=3D2>=20
<DD>>in 6 months this guy has dived enough, while=20
<DD>>holding down a full time job, while also moving around, =
to=20
dispense how to=20
<DD>>and what went wrong information,</FONT>=20
<DD>=20
<DD>JT, I'm not going to waste my time pontificating on my =
greatness and=20
my abilities, as you are so apt to do. Everything I post =
is based=20
on what I have done--not what I've heard, not what I've read, =
and not=20
what I theorize. I have never posted anything that hasn't =
come=20
from my direct experience, as limited as you think it is. =
If you=20
can find fault in anything I've said, argue the content. =
As I said=20
before, I've had a unique opportunity to dive with and learn =
from the=20
pros, mainly because I'm willing to listen to what works instead =
of=20
proclaiming my own greatness. If I can pass on any =
knowledge I've=20
gained in the spirit it was given to me, then I am =
happy. I=20
have a simple system for just about everything I do. Find =
out what=20
works, practice relentlessly, and never become complacent. =
If you=20
put half as much effort into your whole life as I put into just =
my=20
hobbies, maybe you could afford a decent haircut.=20
<DD><FONT size=3D2>=20
<DD>>Let me guess, he's a=20
<DD>>Navy Seal too.</FONT>=20
<DD>=20
<DD>No, I would never subject myself to Navy dive =
training. I'm a=20
plain, regular, United States Marine. I was an enlisted =
grunt for=20
a while, and now I fly. I only bring that up because the =
Marine=20
Corps lets me fly aircraft with engines that cost more than most =
people's houses, and they let me do it with far fewer flights =
than I=20
have logged dives. It's amazing what proper training and =
hard work=20
can do when applied within a framework of tested and proven =
methods.=20
<DD><FONT size=3D2>=20
<DD>> What a fucking joke..... Better make sure his checks =
cash=20
<DD>>before he does a real dive.</FONT>=20
<DD>=20
<DD>Here's where the real beauty of my situation comes in, =
JT. I=20
learned to dive from people who are my friends and teammates, =
and were=20
willing to devote unbelievable amounts of time and effort to my=20
betterment. All I have ever been asked for in return is my =
friendship and a little well-deserved loyalty. There are =
no checks=20
to cash. I have been taught, trained, and tested by people =
who=20
care about me and about my skill development. If you were =
taught,=20
way back before you were such a dive stud, by people who =
did it=20
for the cash, then I'm sorry. You got fucked.=20
<DD>=20
<DD>I'll be awaiting your triumphant return from your trip with =
bated=20
breath.=20
<DD>=20
<DD>Sincerely,=20
<DD>=20
<DD>1stLt DL=20
<DD>=20
<DD>=20
<DD>=20
<DD>=20
<DD>=20
<DD> </DD></DL></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>"You can't learn to dive
on the =
net, sooner=20
or later you have to get in the water"<BR><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff><U>Your Guide=20
to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more <BR> Web=20
Site <A href=3D"http://www.capt-jt.com/"=20
=
eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.capt-jt.com/</A><BR>Email =
=20
=
captjt@mi*.co*<BR><BR></FONT></U></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><
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