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--Boundary_(ID_rTssrm7QOK3I4NCbM1fJDg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > (Snip) > > George, > > This past summer I was, by the grace of god, able to quit my job and > dive almost every day, sometimes both morning, afternoon and night (at > least one night a week) > > Granted not every dive was a tech dive:) However, finding someone > that could have invested that kind of money and time was simply > impossible. > > Hence, I had no choice but to dive solo. When I was guiding dives, I > still had to consider myself a solo diver, because I was diving with > people with one or two dives, or people who had not dove in a year or > more. You ALWAYS have a choice whether or not to dive solo. I dive solo when I'm diving less than 90 ft deep in 3 ft vis, but its only because I have chosen to do that rather than find a dive buddy who is willing to dive within a 3 ft proximity on a silt laden wreck. To say you have no choice is bullshit denial. > > > Now that winter is here--sort of. Diving has slacked off since Labor > Day, I will have the opportunity to dive with some people, as the > boats will be more limited. > > However, we still run into the problem--not so much with tech dives, > because I spear fish. (Believe me, I don't do that at night, nor do I > do it after certain depths--usually 150 or so.) > > So what is a person to do? I will not stop diving. I will not not > dive. It is my sanity and my savior. And who wants to be in the > water with a person that you have to watch the entire dive (a > stranger, who happens to be on the boat)? Most people don't like being in that position but I think that as a group more experienced divers OWE IT to the sport to be someone's more experienced buddy. When I first started diving in the Northeast I had a dive where I was buddied up with someone. He had about 7 yrs experience on me and was infinitely more graceful in the water. I was totally screwing up with a new rig, totally trimmed wrong, struggling with a dry suit. When my guideline came loose because I screwed up in attaching it to the downline, this guy calmly sent up a safety sausage with an upline and we got back to the boat. When I got on board I felt like a total idiot, apologized profusely and this guy calmly told me not to worry about it, everyone's new at some point. Although he had every right to make me feel small because I'm sure I screwed up this guys dive, he didn't. Maybe you should either get comfortable with the idea of being the more experienced diver in the buddy team or put more effort into developing a network of people you can buddy up with. When you talk about not wanting to buddy up with someone because it might spoil your dive it strikes me as the height of self-centeredness.. Diving at all levels is safer as a team project be it as buddy team or a larger support team. > I don't really have the money to waste (45.00 a trip for > recreational, and 60.00 a trip for tech) to call the dive simply > because there is no one on the boat that I feel comfortable diving > with. > I had that happen this summer. > > I had an instructor who advocated drinking immediately after a dive > when he was fully expecting to do another dive (he was *teaching* a > tech class). And there were a whole lot of other problems on that > first day of diving (we did the Rodeo the first dive---couldn't get on > the Guy Harvey due to as fishing boat on the wreck) To the point that > I went to my instructor, who also owns the boat, and told him I would > not get in the water the next several days, even tho I had already > paid for the dives. That was an extremely dangerous situation. > > Now, you and I discussed that situation privately----and I would ask > that the names be kept silent, as that *instructor* is still under > investigation by two organizations. > > However, as a matter of aside, I would like, in a separate post, > discuss all the problems that I saw on those dives, and get some > *positive* feedback. I am not interesting in attacks, but rather some > learning, if everyone is open, If you're not interested in attacks what are you doing on tech diver? I've made more than a few stupid posts on this list but I'm grateful to all the responses, attack or friendly, because I'd rather someone bruise my ego than let some stump dumb behavior go unchecked. Besides if your diving system or personal preference can't stand up to an attack maybe you should reconsider how you dive. Eric Nelson --Boundary_(ID_rTssrm7QOK3I4NCbM1fJDg) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> <blockquote TYPE=CITE> </blockquote> (Snip) <blockquote TYPE=CITE> <br><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>George,</font></font></font> <p><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>This past summer I was, by the grace of god, able to quit my job and dive almost every day, sometimes both morning, afternoon and night (at least one night a week)</font></font></font> <p><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>Granted not every dive was a tech dive:) However, finding someone that could have invested that kind of money and time was simply impossible.</font></font></font> <p><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>Hence, I had no choice but to dive solo. When I was guiding dives, I still had to consider myself a solo diver, because I was diving with people with one or two dives, or people who had not dove in a year or more.</font></font></font></blockquote> You ALWAYS have a choice whether or not to dive solo. I dive solo when I'm diving less than 90 ft deep in 3 ft vis, but its only because I have chosen to do that rather than find a dive buddy who is willing to dive within a 3 ft proximity on a silt laden wreck. To say you have no choice is bullshit denial. <blockquote TYPE=CITE><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1></font></font></font> <p><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>Now that winter is here--sort of. Diving has slacked off since Labor Day, I will have the opportunity to dive with some people, as the boats will be more limited.</font></font></font> <p><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>However, we still run into the problem--not so much with tech dives, because I spear fish. (Believe me, I don't do that at night, nor do I do it after certain depths--usually 150 or so.)</font></font></font> <p><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>So what is a person to do? I will not stop diving. I will not not dive. It is my sanity and my savior. And who wants to be in the water with a person that you have to watch the entire dive (a stranger, who happens to be on the boat)?</font></font></font></blockquote> Most people don't like being in that position but I think that as a group more experienced divers OWE IT to the sport to be someone's more experienced buddy. When I first started diving in the Northeast I had a dive where I was buddied up with someone. He had about 7 yrs experience on me and was infinitely more graceful in the water. I was totally screwing up with a new rig, totally trimmed wrong, struggling with a dry suit. When my guideline came loose because I screwed up in attaching it to the downline, this guy calmly sent up a safety sausage with an upline and we got back to the boat. When I got on board I felt like a total idiot, apologized profusely and this guy calmly told me not to worry about it, everyone's new at some point. Although he had every right to make me feel small because I'm sure I screwed up this guys dive, he didn't. Maybe you should either get comfortable with the idea of being the more experienced diver in the buddy team or put more effort into developing a network of people you can buddy up with. <p>When you talk about not wanting to buddy up with someone because it might spoil your dive it strikes me as the height of self-centeredness.. Diving at all levels is safer as a team project be it as buddy team or a larger support team. <blockquote TYPE=CITE><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1> I don't really have the money to waste (45.00 a trip for recreational, and 60.00 a trip for tech) to call the dive simply because there is no one on the boat that I feel comfortable diving with.</font></font></font></blockquote> <blockquote TYPE=CITE><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>I had that happen this summer.</font></font></font> <p><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>I had an instructor who advocated drinking immediately after a dive when he was fully expecting to do another dive (he was *teaching* a tech class). And there were a whole lot of other problems on that first day of diving (we did the Rodeo the first dive---couldn't get on the Guy Harvey due to as fishing boat on the wreck) To the point that I went to my instructor, who also owns the boat, and told him I would not get in the water the next several days, even tho I had already paid for the dives. That was an extremely dangerous situation.</font></font></font> <p><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>Now, you and I discussed that situation privately----and I would ask that the names be kept silent, as that *instructor* is still under investigation by two organizations.</font></font></font> <p><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>However, as a matter of aside, I would like, in a separate post, discuss all the problems that I saw on those dives, and get some *positive* feedback. I am not interesting in attacks, but rather some learning, if everyone is open,</font></font></font></blockquote> If you're not interested in attacks what are you doing on tech diver? I've made more than a few stupid posts on this list but I'm grateful to all the responses, attack or friendly, because I'd rather someone bruise my ego than let some stump dumb behavior go unchecked. Besides if your diving system or personal preference can't stand up to an attack maybe you should reconsider how you dive. <p>Eric Nelson <br> </html> --Boundary_(ID_rTssrm7QOK3I4NCbM1fJDg)-- -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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