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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0144_01C11B79.96AD0A00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable By the way, wasn't a few years ago when three open water divers entered = in a cavern in North Florida and just one returned, but his air was also finished? ----- Original Message ----- From: "terry michael" <OEA51@go*.co*> To: "Charles Ayash" <cagraphics@mi*.co*> Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 12:59 PM Subject: cement pig! So, open water training may include a tour of the "cavern zone" in North Florida? Then right after the course it's OK for the instructor to take = them over to this place Royal springs, issue them a light and then cut them loose?? How far in did they get. -----Original Message----- From: "Charles Ayash"<cagraphics@mi*.co*> To: "terry michael"<OEA51@go*.co*> Date: Thu Aug 02 06:56:09 PDT 2001 Subject: Re: cement pig >I was at Ginnie last Saturday and there were a group of about 8 >divers in the Devils Spring run. > >None had lights and I am guessing that they were just playing in the = Run >and the basin of the Ear. > >Prior to becoming Cave Certified I would do the same dive and also >scuba downstream back to Ginnie Spring. > >Ginnie Cavern is also a favorite for OW instructors. > >A OW Diver is allowed a light at Ginnie Cavern but if shows up at the Devils >then Security will turn them back. > >I hope this reply is not off base on the subject. > >Charlie > >At 04:02 AM 8/2/2001 -0700, you wrote: >>Yes, I think that was the one. So what's the deal are open water = students >getting certified open water doing dives in the overhead at Genie = springs >camping grounds? If so is that a contributory factor in these deaths? >> >>Or where these people just committing suicide? >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: "David E. Smith"<dsmith218@ho*.co*> >>To: "terry michael"<OEA51@go*.co*> >>Date: Wed Aug 01 19:07:49 PDT 2001 >>Subject: Re: cement pig >> >>>The story about the divers (and the pig) sounds like Royal Springs. >>> >>>dsmith218@ho*.co* >>>ICQ# 25409809 >>> >>>Moderation is for the poor, and the healthy...of which I am neither. = - >>>Polver >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: terry michael [mailto:OEA51@go*.co*] >>>Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 10:00 AM >>>To: techdiver@aquanaut.com >>>Subject: cement pig >>> >>> >>>I was reading this article in the NSS journal about a tragic cave fatality >>>involving two freshly certified OW divers who got killed on their = very first >>>"real dive" and then had to be recovered. According to the article = the >>>instructor invited them along to retrieve a cement pig, from a spring = in >>>north Florida. They were apparently given one light and then preceded = to >>>swim into the cave and got lost and killed. The instructor that just >>>certified them over at called Genie Springs was at the site at the = time but >>>was busy with another diver who was having trouble equalizing his = ears. The >>>other two must have decided to explore the cavern at some point with = the >>>single light between them. So my question is this: do the instructors take >>>the OW students into the overhead during the open water course at = Genie >>>Springs camping resort? If so how does that work? Just curious. >>>Thanx >>> >>> >>>___________________________________________________ >>>GO.com Mail >>>Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com >>> >>> >>>-- >>>Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to = `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >>>Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to = `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. >>> >> >> >>___________________________________________________ >>GO.com Mail >>Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com >> >> >>-- >>Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to = `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >>Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to = `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. >> > ___________________________________________________ GO.com Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. ------=_NextPart_000_0144_01C11B79.96AD0A00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4616.200" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV>By the way, wasn't a few years ago when three open water divers = entered in=20 a<BR>cavern in North Florida and just one returned, but his air was=20 also<BR>finished?<BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "terry = michael"=20 <<A href=3D"mailto:OEA51@go*.co*">OEA51@go.com</A>><BR>To: "Charles = Ayash"=20 <<A=20 href=3D"mailto:cagraphics@mi*.co*">cagraphics@mindspring.com</A>&g= t;<BR>Cc:=20 <<A=20 href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com">techdiver@aquanaut.com</A>><BR>= Sent:=20 Thursday, August 02, 2001 12:59 PM<BR>Subject: cement = pig!<BR><BR><BR>So, open=20 water training may include a tour of the "cavern zone" in = North<BR>Florida? Then=20 right after the course it's OK for the instructor to take them<BR>over = to this=20 place Royal springs, issue them a light and then cut them<BR>loose?? How = far in=20 did they get.<BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: "Charles=20 Ayash"<<A=20 href=3D"mailto:cagraphics@mi*.co*">cagraphics@mindspring.com</A>&g= t;<BR>To:=20 "terry michael"<<A = href=3D"mailto:OEA51@go*.co*">OEA51@go.com</A>><BR>Date:=20 Thu Aug 02 06:56:09 PDT 2001<BR>Subject: Re: cement pig<BR><BR>>I was = at=20 Ginnie last Saturday and there were a group of about 8<BR>>divers in = the=20 Devils Spring run.<BR>><BR>>None had lights and I am guessing that = they=20 were just playing in the Run<BR>>and the basin of the=20 Ear.<BR>><BR>>Prior to becoming Cave Certified I would do the same = dive=20 and also<BR>>scuba downstream back to Ginnie = Spring.<BR>><BR>>Ginnie=20 Cavern is also a favorite for OW instructors.<BR>><BR>>A OW = Diver is=20 allowed a light at Ginnie Cavern but if shows up at = the<BR>Devils<BR>>then=20 Security will turn them back.<BR>><BR>>I hope this reply is not = off base=20 on the subject.<BR>><BR>>Charlie<BR>><BR>>At 04:02 AM = 8/2/2001=20 -0700, you wrote:<BR>>>Yes, I think that was the one. So what's = the deal=20 are open water students<BR>>getting certified open water doing dives = in the=20 overhead at Genie springs<BR>>camping grounds? If so is that a = contributory=20 factor in these deaths?<BR>>><BR>>>Or where these = people just=20 committing suicide?<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>-----Original=20 Message-----<BR>>>From: "David E. Smith"<<A=20 href=3D"mailto:dsmith218@ho*.co*">dsmith218@home.com</A>><BR>>>= To:=20 "terry michael"<<A=20 href=3D"mailto:OEA51@go*.co*">OEA51@go.com</A>><BR>>>Date: Wed = Aug 01=20 19:07:49 PDT 2001<BR>>>Subject: Re: cement=20 pig<BR>>><BR>>>>The story about the divers (and the pig) = sounds=20 like Royal=20 Springs.<BR>>>><BR>>>>dsmith218@ho*.co*<BR>>>&g t= ;ICQ#=20 25409809<BR>>>><BR>>>>Moderation is for the poor, and = the=20 healthy...of which I am neither.=20 -<BR>>>>Polver<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>& gt;<B= R>>>><BR>>>>-----Original=20 Message-----<BR>>>>From: terry michael=20 [mailto:OEA51@go*.co*]<BR>>>>Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 10:00=20 AM<BR>>>>To: <A=20 href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com">techdiver@aquanaut.com</A><BR>>= >>Subject:=20 cement pig<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>I was reading = this=20 article in the NSS journal about a tragic=20 cave<BR>fatality<BR>>>>involving two freshly certified OW = divers who=20 got killed on their very<BR>first<BR>>>>"real dive" and then = had to be=20 recovered. According to the article the<BR>>>>instructor = invited them=20 along to retrieve a cement pig, from a spring in<BR>>>>north = Florida.=20 They were apparently given one light and then preceded = to<BR>>>>swim=20 into the cave and got lost and killed. The instructor that=20 just<BR>>>>certified them over at called Genie Springs was at = the site=20 at the time<BR>but<BR>>>>was busy with another diver who was = having=20 trouble equalizing his ears.<BR>The<BR>>>>other two must have = decided=20 to explore the cavern at some point with the<BR>>>>single light = between=20 them. So my question is this: do the = instructors<BR>take<BR>>>>the OW=20 students into the overhead during the open water course at=20 Genie<BR>>>>Springs camping resort? If so how does that work? = Just=20 curious.<BR>>>>Thanx<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>> ;>= >___________________________________________________<BR>>>>GO= ..com=20 Mail<BR>>>>Get Your Free, Private E-mail at <A=20 href=3D"http://mail.go.com">http://mail.go.com</A><BR>>>><BR>& gt= ;>><BR>>>>--<BR>>>>Send=20 mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to <A=20 href=3D"mailto:`techdiver@aquanaut.com'">`techdiver@aquanaut.com'</A>.<BR= >>>>Send=20 subscribe/unsubscribe requests to <A=20 href=3D"mailto:`techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'">`techdiver-request@aquan= aut.com'</A>.<BR>>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> ________= ___________________________________________<BR>>>GO.com=20 Mail<BR>>>Get Your Free, Private E-mail at <A=20 href=3D"http://mail.go.com">http://mail.go.com</A><BR>>><BR>>& gt= ;<BR>>>--<BR>>>Send=20 mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to <A=20 href=3D"mailto:`techdiver@aquanaut.com'">`techdiver@aquanaut.com'</A>.<BR= >>>Send=20 subscribe/unsubscribe requests to <A=20 href=3D"mailto:`techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'">`techdiver-request@aquan= aut.com'</A>.<BR>>><BR>><BR><BR><BR>_________________ ___________= _______________________<BR>GO.com=20 Mail<BR>Get Your Free, Private E-mail at <A=20 href=3D"http://mail.go.com">http://mail.go.com</A><BR><BR><BR>--< BR>Send = mail for=20 the `techdiver' mailing list to <A=20 href=3D"mailto:`techdiver@aquanaut.com'">`techdiver@aquanaut.com'</A>.<BR= >Send=20 subscribe/unsubscribe requests to <A=20 href=3D"mailto:`techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'">`techdiver-request@aquan= aut.com'</A>.</DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0144_01C11B79.96AD0A00-- -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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