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Don't know what you are driving at there, Terry. BUT, your statement, for the most part, is correct. Open water divers ARE allowed in some caverns in North Florida. Open water STUDENTS are not allowed in overhead by any standards and practices that I'm aware of from any training agency. Now this brings up another issue.....why do some facilities allow openwater divers into overhead environments (some with lights)? Ginnie, Devils Den, Blue Grotto, Vortex, ect.........??? Be advised though, that the cave systems to the places I just mentioned have been grated off BUT there is still alot of rock between the panicked openwater diver who just silted out a cavern and free air. ----- Original Message ----- From: "terry michael" <OEA51@go*.co*> To: "Charles Ayash" <cagraphics@mi*.co*> Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 11:59 AM Subject: cement pig! > So, open water training may include a tour of the "cavern zone" in North Florida? Then right after the course it's OK for the instructor to take them over to this place Royal springs, issue them a light and then cut them loose?? How far in did they get. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Charles Ayash"<cagraphics@mi*.co*> > To: "terry michael"<OEA51@go*.co*> > Date: Thu Aug 02 06:56:09 PDT 2001 > Subject: Re: cement pig > > >I was at Ginnie last Saturday and there were a group of about 8 > >divers in the Devils Spring run. > > > >None had lights and I am guessing that they were just playing in the Run > >and the basin of the Ear. > > > >Prior to becoming Cave Certified I would do the same dive and also > >scuba downstream back to Ginnie Spring. > > > >Ginnie Cavern is also a favorite for OW instructors. > > > >A OW Diver is allowed a light at Ginnie Cavern but if shows up at the Devils > >then Security will turn them back. > > > >I hope this reply is not off base on the subject. > > > >Charlie > > > >At 04:02 AM 8/2/2001 -0700, you wrote: > >>Yes, I think that was the one. So what's the deal are open water students > >getting certified open water doing dives in the overhead at Genie springs > >camping grounds? If so is that a contributory factor in these deaths? > >> > >>Or where these people just committing suicide? > >> > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: "David E. Smith"<dsmith218@ho*.co*> > >>To: "terry michael"<OEA51@go*.co*> > >>Date: Wed Aug 01 19:07:49 PDT 2001 > >>Subject: Re: cement pig > >> > >>>The story about the divers (and the pig) sounds like Royal Springs. > >>> > >>>dsmith218@ho*.co* > >>>ICQ# 25409809 > >>> > >>>Moderation is for the poor, and the healthy...of which I am neither. - > >>>Polver > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>-----Original Message----- > >>>From: terry michael [mailto:OEA51@go*.co*] > >>>Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 10:00 AM > >>>To: techdiver@aquanaut.com > >>>Subject: cement pig > >>> > >>> > >>>I was reading this article in the NSS journal about a tragic cave fatality > >>>involving two freshly certified OW divers who got killed on their very first > >>>"real dive" and then had to be recovered. According to the article the > >>>instructor invited them along to retrieve a cement pig, from a spring in > >>>north Florida. They were apparently given one light and then preceded to > >>>swim into the cave and got lost and killed. The instructor that just > >>>certified them over at called Genie Springs was at the site at the time but > >>>was busy with another diver who was having trouble equalizing his ears. The > >>>other two must have decided to explore the cavern at some point with the > >>>single light between them. So my question is this: do the instructors take > >>>the OW students into the overhead during the open water course at Genie > >>>Springs camping resort? If so how does that work? Just curious. > >>>Thanx > >>> > >>> > >>>___________________________________________________ > >>>GO.com Mail > >>>Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com > >>> > >>> > >>>-- > >>>Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > >>>Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > >>> > >> > >> > >>___________________________________________________ > >>GO.com Mail > >>Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com > >> > >> > >>-- > >>Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > >>Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > >> > > > > > ___________________________________________________ > GO.com Mail > Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com > > > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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