I think you missed the point, standards and laws do NOT replace common
sense.  The post I responded to was talking about the difficulty of getting
Nitrox in some areas never mind Trimix and my point was dive the right mix
or don't dive.  I can't believe you think it's wise to dive the WRONG mix
purely because the correct mix is not available.  Remarkable.  You say "no
harm done", give me a break this is the only body I will get and I won't
damage it (or kill myself) doing deep air to save a few bucks.  It's better
to stay on shore.

We will all be affected the more people do stupid stuff to get themselves
killed.  Eventually the government will be passing laws and gone will be the
ease of mixing in your garage.....it will ruin it for all of us.  Wake up.

-----Original Message-----
From: Matthias Voss [mailto:mat.voss@t-*.de*]
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 4:09 AM
To: toddclagett1@ea*.ne*
Cc: 'Vandit Kalia'; skipmac@co*.co*; ScottBonis@ao*.co*;
techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: WTF is Ed?


Todd,
in planes, parachutes, ships, there are safety standards, some of which
mandatory, and independant certifications agencies to supervise
standards.

Standards are not as strict in diving, and of much more an evolutional
character. No harm done because the human body has much more redundant
pathways than a near broken stitch on a parachute, or a stress fatigued
rivet in a plane.

Matthias



Todd Clagett schrieb:
>
> Would you fly in a plane that was not well maintained or safe just because
> you wanted to fly?  Would you parachute with an old parachute that you
> thought was dangerous just because you love skydiving?  I don't think
> so!!!!!!!!  Why would you dive on the WRONG mix, a dangerous mix......just
> because the right mix isn't available........wrong answer.  You won't
> remember the fun you didn't have anyway.
>
> Dive the right mix and live to dive another day or don't dive at all.   I
> don't buy the old cop out of it's too expensive or inconvenient either.
We
> spend all this money in gear and boat trips but don't invest in the
correct
> gas, pure stupidity.  See what your family thinks about it.  Do you think
it
> would be convenient for them if you get killed diving deep air?  No way.
>
> The same things go for medical chekups (including being checked for PFO).
> We spend a fortune for safety gear and boat trips and all the neat toys,
but
> some still won't part with a few hundred bucks to checked for health
issues.
> It just doesn't make sense.  Our body is our best piece of safety gear,
take
> care of it and have it checked annually.
>
> Todd Clagett
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vandit Kalia [mailto:vtb666@ho*.co*]
> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 12:19 AM
> To: skipmac@co*.co*; ScottBonis@ao*.co*
> Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
> Subject: Re: WTF is Ed?
>
> Not to interrup this pillow-fight, but what Gilliam wrote was not even
> remotely similar to what you are posting here.
>
> His article, posting from memory, said something along the lines that
having
> one beer would not necessarily be an absolute "no no" - and the reference
> was to casual rec diving (ie, Scuba Diving mag's target readership).   One
> beer does not *necessarily* equal inebriation or dehydration - and that
was
> precisely the point he was trying to make.
>
> As for his personal depth records, etc. - TDI the *agency* doesnt mandate
or
> even *actively* advocate deep air diving.  However, the world is a lot
> bigger than just USA, and there are a lot of places where you cannot even
> get nitrox, let alone trimix.
>
> And now, back to your regularly-scheduled flame wars.
>
> Vandit
>
> >From: Skip MacElhannon <skipmac@co*.co*>
> >To: ScottBonis@ao*.co*
> >CC: techdiver@aquanaut.com
> >Subject: Re: WTF is Ed?
> >Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 23:37:38 -0400
> >
> >Scott,
> >
> >The issue with TDI has nothing to do with DIR or not DIR.  And I do not
> >doubt that there are some excellent instructors that teach for TDI.  The
> >problem I have is with the policies of the organization and the
activities
> >of the president of TDI, Brett Gilliam.  This is a man that recently
> >published an article in a national dive magazine advocating drinking and
> >diving.  His argument is that a little beer does not contribute to
> >dehydration or DCS.  He seems completely oblivious to the fact that
alcohol
> >impairs one's judgement (I assume you agree that diving while even a
little
> >inebriated is not safe, even for a shallow, open water, recreational
> >dive).  Perhaps his attitude is understandable when one considers that he
> >has also published articles referring to pot smoking on dive trips and is
> >the leading advocate in the "dive industry" for deep air narcosis, the
best
> >drug of all.
>
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