Would you fly in a plane that was not well maintained or safe just because
you wanted to fly?  Would you parachute with an old parachute that you
thought was dangerous just because you love skydiving?  I don't think
so!!!!!!!!  Why would you dive on the WRONG mix, a dangerous mix......just
because the right mix isn't available........wrong answer.  You won't
remember the fun you didn't have anyway.

Dive the right mix and live to dive another day or don't dive at all.   I
don't buy the old cop out of it's too expensive or inconvenient either.  We
spend all this money in gear and boat trips but don't invest in the correct
gas, pure stupidity.  See what your family thinks about it.  Do you think it
would be convenient for them if you get killed diving deep air?  No way.

The same things go for medical chekups (including being checked for PFO).
We spend a fortune for safety gear and boat trips and all the neat toys, but
some still won't part with a few hundred bucks to checked for health issues.
It just doesn't make sense.  Our body is our best piece of safety gear, take
care of it and have it checked annually.

Todd Clagett

-----Original Message-----
From: Vandit Kalia [mailto:vtb666@ho*.co*]
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 12:19 AM
To: skipmac@co*.co*; ScottBonis@ao*.co*
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: WTF is Ed?



Not to interrup this pillow-fight, but what Gilliam wrote was not even
remotely similar to what you are posting here.

His article, posting from memory, said something along the lines that having
one beer would not necessarily be an absolute "no no" - and the reference
was to casual rec diving (ie, Scuba Diving mag's target readership).   One
beer does not *necessarily* equal inebriation or dehydration - and that was
precisely the point he was trying to make.

As for his personal depth records, etc. - TDI the *agency* doesnt mandate or
even *actively* advocate deep air diving.  However, the world is a lot
bigger than just USA, and there are a lot of places where you cannot even
get nitrox, let alone trimix.

And now, back to your regularly-scheduled flame wars.

Vandit

>From: Skip MacElhannon <skipmac@co*.co*>
>To: ScottBonis@ao*.co*
>CC: techdiver@aquanaut.com
>Subject: Re: WTF is Ed?
>Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 23:37:38 -0400
>
>Scott,
>
>The issue with TDI has nothing to do with DIR or not DIR.  And I do not
>doubt that there are some excellent instructors that teach for TDI.  The
>problem I have is with the policies of the organization and the activities
>of the president of TDI, Brett Gilliam.  This is a man that recently
>published an article in a national dive magazine advocating drinking and
>diving.  His argument is that a little beer does not contribute to
>dehydration or DCS.  He seems completely oblivious to the fact that alcohol
>impairs one's judgement (I assume you agree that diving while even a little
>inebriated is not safe, even for a shallow, open water, recreational
>dive).  Perhaps his attitude is understandable when one considers that he
>has also published articles referring to pot smoking on dive trips and is
>the leading advocate in the "dive industry" for deep air narcosis, the best
>drug of all.



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