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From: "Chris Elmore" <elmorec@at*.ne*>
To: <ScottBonis@ao*.co*>
Cc: "Wendell Grogan" <wgrogan@dc*.ne*>, <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Subject: Re: WTF is Ed?
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:04:13 -0400
Scott,
     I started it.
Again, (we've had this conversation before) from TDI's website:
http://www.tdisdi.com/tdi/courses/courses.html#ExtRange

************
Extended Range
This course provides the training and experience required to competently
utilize air for dives up to 180 fsw/55msw that require staged decompression,
utilizing nitrox mixtures and oxygen during decompression.
************

When TDI stops advocating this crap I'll start listening- until then it's
Wak-A-Mole. "competently utilize air for dives up to 180 fsw/55msw..."
Really?! Please forward this message to any decision makers at TDI and tell
us what their comments are. And THAT is what Techdiver is about.
C.

----- Original Message -----
From: <ScottBonis@ao*.co*>
To: <wgrogan@dc*.ne*>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: WTF is Ed?


> Wendell,
>
> I don't care who you are or how much you think you know about diving,
please
> knock off the snide comments about TDI.  Even though most of us on this
list
> support the DIR rules for diving, this is still the Techdiver list and not
> Quest.  And whether you choose to believe it or not, the entire scuba
world
> does not revolve around DIR techniques.  Simply because I use and teach
them
> (because I think they represent the wisest and safest information
available)
> and because you use them, does not imply that they are the only possible
> guidelines for diving safely.
>
> There are a whole bunch of TDI instructors out there and the vast majority
> are competent and conscientious scuba instructors.  I get real tired of
many
> of the people on this list taking cheap shots at TDI.  If you have a
specific
> complaint about a specific item, then make it known to TDI headquarters
and
> they'll look into it.  Or let me know about it (on or off the list) and
I'll
> be glad to pass it along.
>
> Perhaps you've heard about some TDI instructor that didn't teach some
course
> the way you thought it should have been taught.  It's certainly possible
in
> that I don't necessarily agree with some of the things that are taught.
But
> I can do without the constant childish snide comments about the entire
> organization.  The TDI instructors with whom I've dealt, teach safe and
> competent diving techniques.
>
> GUE seems to be a solid organization that has a reasonable control over
what
> the GUE instructor's teach.  But there are how many GUE instructors to
> oversee, perhaps a few dozen worldwide?  Try comparing that to over 7,000
TDI
> instructors and the control problem becomes significantly greater.
>
> Why don't you try simply pointing out the valid differences between DIR
and
> some of the other methods being taught and leave out the derogatory
comments
> about other dive certification agencies?  You do not build yourself up by
> tearing others down.  I have come to expect this behavior from all of the
DIR
> zealot lemmings on this list but I would not have expected this from you.
>
> Take care and dive safe,       Scott
>
> Some weeks it's just not worth the effort to gnaw through the restraints
and
> scramble up out of the pit.
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 7/23/01 6:42:33 PM, wgrogan@dc*.ne* writes:
>
> <<  References: One guy that has met him says he almost washed out of a
TDI
> >course (This really sounds too impossible to believe but I pass it on
> anyway).
>
> How do you wash out of a TDI course?  Write a bad check, insult the
parentage
> of the instructors wife?  Maybe we could come up with a dirty dozen....
>
> Wendell >>
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