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Hi Ed, While we lose a few tech divers every year and a few of those were at one time DIR or close to it, they always seem to be doing something incredibly stupid, normally diving solo. In those cases I don't see it as a disowning. It is more like holding them up as an example of what can happen. There is a natural tendency for one to believe he is, after a time, ready to take off the training wheels and ride without support. Very experienced tech divers are not immune to this and the deaths of some pretty damned good divers is pretty damned good evidence of what can happen. I often wonder how many "near things" we don't hear about. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Street <blacknet@ph*.ne*> To: Don Burke <donburke56@ne*.ne*> Sent: 05 July, 2001 22:47 Subject: RE: DIR setup > Hello, > > Yea my current BC is a 'wing' type and i'll never EVER go back to the jacket > bc style. > > Another thing I hate about the 'dir' community is disowning the dead. Seems > that alot will go thru alot of stuff to disown the dead to keep the perfect > safety record. My input is ppl will die while doing scuba. Learn from it, > adapt and move on. I also see this disowning the dead as depremental to the > 'dir' system. > > Ed > > -----Original Message----- > From: Don Burke [mailto:donburke56@ne*.ne*] > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 10:48 PM > To: techdiver@aquanaut.com; Ed Street > Subject: Re: DIR setup > > > Hi Ed, > > Once you get used to the necklace, getting out of a Hogarthian rig with a > single is about the same as your rig. > > Necklace, buckle, crotchstrap and you're out. With your profiles I might go > without the crotchstrap to make it even easier. > > In your place, I'd probably keep that BC for the moment and replace it with > a backplate and wing at the first sign of trouble. > > Either Halcyon or DiveRite will probably be fine. I went Halcyon since no > one I have talked to has switched from one. Stay the hell away from OMS > backplates. They are just too weird and harder to get in and out of. > > You'll like the wing setups since they are modular, which translates to > cheaper in the long run and the ability to change the wing (and hence the > lift) is pretty handy sometimes. It also builds in some weight so you have > less lead to fiddle with. > > The tank change will pay off instantly. Lugging that AL80 (and the extra > weight it requires) on and off the boat as often as you do is probably doing > ugly things to your spine. > > Don > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ed Street <blacknet@ph*.ne*> > To: Don Burke <donburke56@ne*.ne*> > Sent: 05 July, 2001 21:33 > Subject: RE: DIR setup > > > > Hello, > > > > If I had to do it over again i'd have gotten a ss backplane. My current > rig > > is a XR-2 primary, black diamond BC and an al80 tank (btw i'm going to > drop > > that for a SS40) I can make a SS40 last for about 4 hours (rule of 1/3's > ;) > > at 30' I use a standard length hose, ocean master mask, force fins (been > > using them for about 15 years now) gerber river shorty knife and a buck > > tiburon (I go looking for things like seahorses, crabs, worms, and the > like) > > > > I do not damage anything and before we goto sensitive areas I will ancor > on > > a sandbar and run thru drills with everyone and make sure they are ok. We > > collect trash and always bring back more trash than we produce. All of my > > gear is tied up out of the way, nothing is hanging loose, draging or the > > like. My rig is setup so I clip 3 things and i'm out of it, 10 seconds > > tops. > > > > I carry at most times 2 cameras, A nikonos V w/ strobes and a ikelite > > housing w/ strobes. > > > > My current thing is reducing all the excess stuff/bulk/weight I don't need > > and going to cut my tank volume in 1/2. I can see how the SS backplate > > would be very helpful in this case. > > > > Ed > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Don Burke [mailto:donburke56@ne*.ne*] > > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 9:24 PM > > To: techdiver@aquanaut.com; Scott; Ed Street > > Subject: Re: DIR setup > > > > > > Hi Ed, > > > > I tried my old rec rig once since going Hogarthian and I'll never use it > > again. > > > > My preferred setup for photo shoots is: > > > > steel backplate > > single steel tank (112 or 120) > > If I'm diving dry, a weighted STA. If I'm diving wet, an unweighted STA. > > regulator with standard length hoses - a necklace on the short hose > > US Divers Jetfins > > Mares mask > > gloves > > thermal protection to suit > > > > Right now I use my 45# wing while I'm deciding if double 72s would be a > > better setup. If I decide to stay with a single tank, I'll get a smaller > > wing, probably a 27#. > > > > If I was diving profiles as short as what you are talking about, I'd look > > into an even smaller steel tank. > > > > No time is wasted "removing crap" since on a rec rig the octopus would > have > > been clipped somewhere anyway. > > > > You aren't one of those shitheads who drags his long reg around the reef, > > are you? > > > > You originally said: > > > > >I've been looking at the DIR setup for awhile now and I have came to the > > >conclusion that it's not a good setup and to me it seems like a very > > >dangerous layout for several reasons. > > > > This is a long way from what you claim below. > > > > I've established that you are a lying sack of shit and my only question is > > whether your first statement is a lie or if your second statement is the > > lie. > > > > Have a nice day. > > > > Don Burke > > Chesapeake, Virginia > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Ed Street <blacknet@ph*.ne*> > > To: Scott <scottk@nw*.co*>; Don Burke <donburke56@ne*.ne*> > > Sent: 05 July, 2001 20:12 > > Subject: RE: DIR setup > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > See here's my typical dives now :) I do nothing but u/w photography and > I > > > climb in and out of the boat about 20 times, I don't need to waste time > > > removing crap from my body. > > > > > > A typical dive is suit up, get in, spend about 10-15 mins tops burning > up > > > 2-3 camera rigs, getting out, removing the suit from waist up, drying > off, > > > change film in all rigs, suit back up and do it all over again. > > > > > > Like I said originaly I don't think that the dir concept is applicable > in > > > this case. Please correct me if i'm wrong. > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Scott [mailto:scottk@nw*.co*] > > > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 7:57 PM > > > To: Ed Street; Don Burke > > > Subject: Re: DIR setup > > > > > > > > > The good stuff is 3/16 or 5mm "shock cord" availabel at REI and rock > > > climbing places. It has a limit to how far it will stretch, > > > making pulling it loose easier actually. After you cut it, burn the ends > > off > > > smooth, and simply put it under the mouthpiece cable tie, straight in on > > > either side, and if you have to, you can give it a good yank, and the > ends > > > will slide out. > > > > > > Scott > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Don Burke" <donburke56@ne*.ne*> > > > To: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; "Ed Street" <blacknet@ph*.ne*> > > > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 8:14 AM > > > Subject: Re: DIR setup > > > > > > > > > > Ed, > > > > > > > > You're using tubing that is too strong or the wrong attachment or > both. > > > > > > > > My reg will pop out of the necklace if I give it a good yank and I can > > > break > > > > the tubing easily. > > > > > > > > Don > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Ed Street <blacknet@ph*.ne*> > > > > To: Don Burke <donburke56@ne*.ne*> > > > > Sent: 05 July, 2001 10:57 > > > > Subject: RE: DIR setup > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > Another thing I have problems with is my training taught me that > scuba > > > > > equipment is expendible, and your life is not. You CAN ditch your > rig > > > w/ > > > > no > > > > > problem in a very short time. With the surgical tubing around your > > neck > > > > for > > > > > your octo it makes it just another delay in ditching the rig. > > Personaly > > > I > > > > > find it easier if the octo goes on the inflator hose, but that's me. > > > > > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Don Burke [mailto:donburke56@ne*.ne*] > > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 10:53 AM > > > > > To: Ed Street; techdiver@aquanaut.com > > > > > Subject: Re: DIR setup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ed, > > > > > > > > > > That's an easy fix. > > > > > > > > > > Use a traditional length octopus hose for that regulator. I don't > > > recall > > > > > the length, but it's something like 50 inches. It isn't much of an > > > issue > > > > > unless there are restricted spaces involved > > > > > > > > > > I dove that way until I got to a point where I could deal with a 7 > > foot > > > > long > > > > > hose and the only reason I dive with a long hose now is to enhance > my > > > > > ability to rescue someone. > > > > > > > > > > The "around the neck" issue is more psychological than real. The > long > > > > hose > > > > > comes from the right post regulator, down to the belt, up the center > > of > > > > the > > > > > chest, behind the neck (left to right) and to the second stage in > your > > > > > mouth. > > > > > > > > > > There is no hose at your throat. If someone grabs the long hose, > they > > > > will > > > > > be pulling on your jaw and your belt, not your throat. > > > > > > > > > > Don > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: Ed Street <blacknet@ph*.ne*> > > > > > To: Don Burke <donburke56@ne*.ne*>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com> > > > > > Sent: 04 July, 2001 21:35 > > > > > Subject: RE: DIR setup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > > > The part that gives me trouble is the long hose. I understand why > > it's > > > > > there > > > > > > and purpose etc.. but it's location irks me. Wraping around the > > neck > > > is > > > > > > just asking for trouble if someone yanks it from behind and you'll > > be > > > > > > strangled quickly, thus having 2 incapacitated divers. I don't > have > > a > > > > > > solution but I see it as a serious problem as you have NO idea how > > > > person > > > > > X > > > > > > will act in a panic situation untill they freak. It may not even > be > > > > > someone > > > > > > that's in your group as it could be a neighboring group of divers > in > > > the > > > > > > area. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Don Burke [mailto:donburke56@ne*.ne*] > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 7:45 PM > > > > > > To: Ed Street; techdiver@aquanaut.com > > > > > > Subject: Re: DIR setup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Ed Street <blacknet@ph*.ne*> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well if you did actually know what your talking about instead > of > > > > > > sprouting > > > > > > > crap about me you would know that I HAVE tried it and I didn't > > like > > > it > > > > > nor > > > > > > > will I use it again as in my case it makes absolutely NO sence > to > > > use > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What parts of DIR gave you trouble? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NetZero Platinum > > > > > > No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access > > > > > > Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! > > > > > > http://www.netzero.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NetZero Platinum > > > > > No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access > > > > > Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! > > > > > http://www.netzero.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NetZero Platinum > > > > No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access > > > > Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! > > > > http://www.netzero.net > > > > -- > > > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to > `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to > `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > > > > > > > > > > NetZero Platinum > > No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access > > Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! > > http://www.netzero.net > > > > > > > NetZero Platinum > No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access > Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! > http://www.netzero.net > > NetZero Platinum No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! http://www.netzero.net -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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