From: "Ed Street" <blacknet@ph*.ne*>;
> > I've been looking at the DIR setup for awhile now and I have came to the
> > conclusion that it's not a good setup and to me it seems like a very
> > dangerous layout for several reasons.


So let's look at your reasoning one by one...


> >
> > a) it goes against the majority of diving standards known today.


Seems to me that is the biggest reason to adopt DIR..  Todays diving
standards speak about deep air, solo diving certs, they forget to teach you
trim, team skills and basically hurdle like cows, sit you on your knees and
then rubber stamp your c-card...

Next...


> > b) A lot of the 'experts' seems to rant and rave on those who doesn't
follow
> > them for what seems, to me, like bad business practices.  It's like
someone
> > who has a different idea or theory is instantly
> > hounded/harassed/insulted/belittled/etc.. for having their own thoughts
or
> > ideas about things.  One way of looking at this is evolution didn't just
> > happen, it was a slow gradual step by step and update by update over a
long
> > period of time.  What changes/update/revisions has the DIR system
undergone?

The training facilities that you cite are looking at economics not teaching
you how to dive...  Economies of scale allow the 18 year old PADI instrokter
to do 4 dives with you, let you take home the cd-rom, do a few knowledge
reviews and away you go...

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> >
> > c) Most dive outfits doesn't support the dir layout.  Why is this?  Is
it
> > because that it's not that good?  Is it because that there's to many
people
> > turns up DEAD?


You must have DIR confused with PADI or IANTD...  Most outfits don't support
DIR because they would have to re-teach and recertify all the instrokters
and teach them how to actually dive...

Next...



So why should I use the DIR setup in all cases?


Because in an emergency you will have standardized your rig, AND MOST
IMPORTANTLY, your mindset so that you won't have to wonder what *tool* you
are using when the shit hits the fan..  If it's the same *tool* dive in and
dive out, you eliminate confusion at the time when the last thing in the
world you'll want is confusion...

Next...


 If the non-DIR equipment is really that bad then why are they
> > still being produced?


For the same reason you can get a creat steak at Peter Lugar's or you can
get a cheap hamburger at McDonalds..  People like you don't know the
difference between quality and will accept whatever the dive shop monkey is
selling...

Next...

..
> >
> > D) Isn't one of the rules to not dive with non-DIR divers?  It's like if
you
> > don't follow some rigid standards then your instantly a 'stroke'?  So
what
> > about all these people who die while diving the DIR setup?

Two points here...

1)  Who is dying????

2) See above about the most important aspect of the system..  It's the
mindset..  You could put Brett Gilliam in Trey's rig and he'd still be a
complete fat slob stroke because he has got the most fucked up mindset in
teh entire world...

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It's like the standards are
> > so high that it's very very difficult for anyone to maintain at all
times
> > but yet expect everyone to maintain them at all times.

The standards are only that high because you have closed your mind to them..
Once you drop the bullshit you'll find it is actually less work learning to
understand it, than it is beating your head up against the wall..  You are
fighting a system that sets world records on a routine basis and you are
advancing a theory that suggests how they do it doesn't work...  How fucking
illogical is that????

Next...


This makes no sense.
> > Human nature dictates that humans are not perfect and makes mistakes all
the
> > time.

More bullshit...  You build the redundancy into the team so if you does make
a mistake the other is there to help...

Next...


If you can't dive w/ non-DIR divers and there few and far between in
> > some areas (like my area) then how the fuck are you expected to do the
buddy
> > system? Or are you expected to do solo and turn your odds up even more
of
> > not coming up alive?

No the idea is to learn the system first hand and then mentor others to join
you..  It's happening all over the world and it isn't as difficult as you
think to get other like minded divers...

Next...

> >
> > E)  I've talked to some divers who felt that the DIR setup was just
totally
> > wrong for them, their person and their lifestyles.  They felt that it
was
> > out of place and very hard to adjust to it.


Stop hanging with TDI strokes then...


Next...


  All because people are putting
> > peer pressure on non-dir divers to dive the DIR setup, which in my
opinion
> > is totally WRONG.

That's because you haven't even come close to understanding the issue or
thinking it through...

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> >
> > F)  It would seem to me, from a business standpoint, that if you wanted
an
> > idea to flourish then you would cut out all the negativity/hostility
that is
> > generated towards the non-conforming divers and instead have compassion,
> > understanding and in a caring manner educate the public as to why it's a
> > 'superior' method.

If you want niceties go to PADI and they'l tell you that in the unlikley
event you find your self...  or some other such bullshit..  Trey isn't
running a business, he's running a project and if you show up with a
bullshit attitude you'll be gone in a heartbeat..  This list isn't a
business and we ain't here to worry about self-esteem issues...

Next...

> > g) I see a lot of needless deaths cause a lot of people try to imitate
what
> > some groups are doing like the WKPP and enter areas, like caves, and
later
> > the morgue is called.

If they were doing *like* the WKPP they wouldn't be dying..  It's the one's
that shortcut that die..  Do you think anyone on the WKPP would have done a
300' dive on an inspiration without support, with a buddy that had no clue,
and with fucked up bailouts and ad hoc surface support????

Next...

  The reason they die is the diver feels that they can
> > handle the task,

The reason they die is because they cut corners because they have been
taught when to leave your buddy...

Next...

> > You can call me anything you like

OKAY, you're a stroke...

Next...


 but that doesn't hide nor stop the fact
> > that I flat refuse to dive any form of DIY simply because my standards
are
> > to high and this method, to me, is nothing but an accident waiting to
happen
> > to good people.


Sounds a lot like Maffatone or Weinberg or Palmer....

Anymore????

Later

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