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From: "MHK" <mhkane@pr*.ne*>
To: "Jim Cobb" <cobber@ci*.co*>, <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Subject: Re: H/Y valves, Pony bottles, Invisible demons.
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 17:51:25 -0700
Cobb,

I didn't know pony bottles were bad????  When did that happen????

I dove with some schmuck in a puddle and he was carrying a bottle with 40%
in it and he told me that TDI taught him that..  It must be right if TDI is
teaching it, right?????

Later
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Cobb" <cobber@ci*.co*>
To: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 10:30 AM
Subject: H/Y valves, Pony bottles, Invisible demons.


> I repeat I have nothing to do with GUE or DIR.
>
> > 1) Smaller profile
>
> To do what, wreck penetrations? And I can also state that a proper set of
> doubles has less of a horizontal hight than a single any day of the week.
>
> > 2) Reduced weight
>
> That's funny when I'm underwater (you do dive don't you?) I cannot seem to
> tell the difference in weight.
>
> > 3) Decreased drag
>
> Can you prove this? I doubt the difference is worth noting when you
consider
> all the other crap, lights, gear bags, etc.
>
> > 4) Readily available
>
> I can drive down to the dive shop and purchase a set of doubles right now
if
> I want.
>
> > 5) Reduced space requirements
>
> So you have 2 tanks separate or together, don't understand your reasoning
> here. They take up the same room
>
> > 6) KISS: Keep It Simple, Stupid
>
> My whole point with bagging the H or Y valve.
>
> Good Lord I have not seen such frothing at the mouth since the last time I
> said that pony bottles were crap. Pony bottles and H/Y valves are
psudo-tech
> bullshit and you bone-heads out there need to pull your heads out of your
> asses and try a set of doubles, you bunch of fucking cheapskates. Doubles
> are redundant flasks of air connected by an isolator valve. H/Y valves and
> Pony bottles are just you guys fighting with invisible demons. Preparing
> most for the disasters that are least likely to happen.
>
> Reg failures are exceeding rare. Needing more air than you've got all the
> time. So what do you bozos do? Do nothing about your air supply and strap
on
> 2 regulators. That really makes sense. And then you defend this shit to
the
> death.
>
> There are always particular circumstances for this or that. Ice diving may
> be one of them, I don't know as I've never done it. But the point is that
> putting a H/Y valve or strapping a pony does not a techdiver make.
>
> Doubles are balanced, redundant, comfortable (both on the surface and in
the
> water) and anybody who says otherwise has not tried a set of properly
setup
> doubles.
>
> And for those of you who travel, simple, don't overhead dive. There is
> nothing down there worth dieing for, why take the risk?
>
>    Jim
>
>
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