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Chuck, I must be missing something here? DIR gear is a hell of a lot cheaper and overall more cost effective for any aspect than anything else out there. Where did you get this bullshit idea from? -----Original Message----- From: Chuck [mailto:chuck@ch*.co*] Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 7:28 PM To: Ed Street Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com Subject: Re: DIR setup Preface this by saying yes I am a stroke. I dont dive DIR. Not because it isnt a good system but because I dont want to spend the money right now and for the type of diving I do, more traditional gear works fine for the most part. I have started modifying my gear and in the end will get there but I am taking my time. .... > a) it goes against the majority of diving standards known today. Like how > many total training facilities in the U.S. (yea I'm in the u.s. and don't > give a flip about non-us stuff here) teaches this concept vs. the total > number of facilities that teaches other theories? > And your point would be? Standards say I shouldnt dive below 130FSW and up to a few years ago said that you had to be 12 to take lessons. I also recall something about NITROX being bad. The demon gas. Standards change. > b) A lot of the 'experts' seems to rant and rave on those who doesn't follow > them for what seems, to me, like bad business practices. It's like someone > who has a different idea or theory is instantly Snipping out the rant, it has evolved. I have been watching it evolve. Yes, there is a whole load of testosterone being expended but it is evolving. ....> c) Most dive outfits doesn't support the dir layout. Why is this? Is it > because that it's not that good? Is it because that there's to many people > turns up DEAD? .> Its because they dont sell it. If you dont/cant sell the gear, you dont teach it. Simple economics. To take it a step further, part of the economics of diving is to make it as inexpensive as possible and as easy as possible to get as many dollars as possible in a business that has very narrow margins. Want to make a small fortune in the dive industry? Start with a large one. .... > D) Isn't one of the rules to not dive with non-DIR divers? It's like if you > don't follow some rigid standards then your instantly a 'stroke'? So what > about all these people who die while diving the DIR setup? . What about all the people that turn up dead on non-DIR gear? What happened there? Clearly they must have been inadequately trained in the use of their non-DIR gear or by your logic they should all be alive. They arent. Dead is dead. I dont dive with people I dont know unless they are students and I am doing a 'tour' with them as a divemaster. One way to recognize people you may want to dive with is by their equipment. I have been diving with people that dive DIR and we get along just fine. > E) I've talked to some divers who felt that the DIR setup was just totally > wrong for them, their person and their lifestyles. They felt that it was > out of place and very hard to adjust to it. I thought diving was all about > the comfort layer that the individual person felt. How is it that we can > dictate how others must dress and what equipment they must use when it's > what WE use that counts the most? . Do you have to wear a coat and tie at the office? If you want your job and that is the dress code you do. If you want to play with the tech divers, you do it their way. It is their ballpark and they make the rules. You dont like the rules, join the game and work at changing the rules. But til you manage to change them, you have to abide by them. > F) It would seem to me, from a business standpoint, that if you wanted an > idea to flourish then you would cut out all the negativity/hostility that is > generated towards the non-conforming divers and instead have compassion, > understanding and in a caring manner educate the public as to why it's a > 'superior' method. This machoism attitude is depermental to a divers > health. .0 If as would seem to be the case, it is saving lives, your argument is nonsense. > g) I see a lot of needless deaths cause a lot of people try to imitate what > some groups are doing like the WKPP and enter areas, like caves, and later > the morgue is called. . The key word here is imitate. Kids get killed trying to imitate the WWF hitting each other on the head with chairs. You can do it if you know how but if you dont it can be a fatal experience. Dive to your knowledge, experience and training. Exceed any of the three and you are risking your life even more than you are anyway. > > You can call me anything you like but that doesn't hide nor stop the fact > that I flat refuse to dive any form of DIY simply because my standards are > to high and this method, to me, is nothing but an accident waiting to happen > to good people. It tends to lead people astray and promote a psychological > separation from one's well being and the image that one presents. > You refuse because you either dont understand or are misguided. CH > Oh and btw, no flames please. These are my viewpoints and if you do feel > you need to flame me then that's your egotistical machoistic approach > feeling threatened. Also flaming is a sign of non-stable and uncertainty on > the flamers part. > Your entire post is a sign of an unstable egotistical mind that is being threatened so there is no need to flame you. You did a wonderful job of that on you own. 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